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- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I2c2
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Its a nice idea for a thread, everyone can share their theories on why they descend from their paternal line, what cultures, events, and migrations lead to your result ?
Mine is I2c2, the weirdest subclade in haplogroup I
It has a south Caucasus (Armenia, Georgia, Turkey) and Greek distribution, ranges from 1-5%, in Greece, it is highest in Crete with a frequency of 9%. from the age estimates on Yfull, TMRCA is approx. 2000 BC, while the mutations that define it formed in 13000 BC.
So how did I, an Arabian, get this result ? my tribe is part of a larger group of tribes in southern Arabia called Azd, in Arab legends, the tribe originated in Kingdom of Saba (1000 BC - 275 AD), many south Arabian tribes are mentioned by name in Sabaean inscriptions, but the name Azd is not mentioned as a tribe, but as a caste, the kingdom of Saba was a stratified society, the King and his nobles that held the land were a caste, merchants in cities were another, peasents and slaves, and the military caste or warriors, who were called the Azd, the phrase 'Azd of the king' meant the soldiers of the king.
The origin of the Sabaeans is unknown, but the strongest theory is that they migrated from the Levant in the context of the Bronze Age collapse, there are linguistic and archaeological arguments for this.
Hurrians migrated to the Levant from the Caucasus in the late Bronze Age, many cities had Hurrian governers under the Pharoah, Canaan itself was called 'Hurru', in one of the Amarna letters.
So my theory is that I2c2 is Hurrian, in the Levant at least, but what of its presence in Greece ? Hurrians should have been CHG+Anatolia-Neo (Armenia BA), and I2c was found in barcin in northwestern Anatolia, so maybe it dates to the times of old Europe ?
TMRCA estimates may not be accurate but it is still too young to be a neolithic remnant, its high frequency in Crete may be indicative of a Minoan origin, and we know the Minoans had CHG ancestry, so I hypothesize that it arrived with this ancestry from Asia to the island of Crete and mainland Greece.
Ancient samples so far are from Scandinavian HG (I2c2), Neolithic Anatolia (I2c), BA Unetice culture (I2c) and Scythians (I2c2).
Mine is I2c2, the weirdest subclade in haplogroup I
It has a south Caucasus (Armenia, Georgia, Turkey) and Greek distribution, ranges from 1-5%, in Greece, it is highest in Crete with a frequency of 9%. from the age estimates on Yfull, TMRCA is approx. 2000 BC, while the mutations that define it formed in 13000 BC.
So how did I, an Arabian, get this result ? my tribe is part of a larger group of tribes in southern Arabia called Azd, in Arab legends, the tribe originated in Kingdom of Saba (1000 BC - 275 AD), many south Arabian tribes are mentioned by name in Sabaean inscriptions, but the name Azd is not mentioned as a tribe, but as a caste, the kingdom of Saba was a stratified society, the King and his nobles that held the land were a caste, merchants in cities were another, peasents and slaves, and the military caste or warriors, who were called the Azd, the phrase 'Azd of the king' meant the soldiers of the king.
The origin of the Sabaeans is unknown, but the strongest theory is that they migrated from the Levant in the context of the Bronze Age collapse, there are linguistic and archaeological arguments for this.
Hurrians migrated to the Levant from the Caucasus in the late Bronze Age, many cities had Hurrian governers under the Pharoah, Canaan itself was called 'Hurru', in one of the Amarna letters.
So my theory is that I2c2 is Hurrian, in the Levant at least, but what of its presence in Greece ? Hurrians should have been CHG+Anatolia-Neo (Armenia BA), and I2c was found in barcin in northwestern Anatolia, so maybe it dates to the times of old Europe ?
TMRCA estimates may not be accurate but it is still too young to be a neolithic remnant, its high frequency in Crete may be indicative of a Minoan origin, and we know the Minoans had CHG ancestry, so I hypothesize that it arrived with this ancestry from Asia to the island of Crete and mainland Greece.
Ancient samples so far are from Scandinavian HG (I2c2), Neolithic Anatolia (I2c), BA Unetice culture (I2c) and Scythians (I2c2).