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    kingjohn living dna results

    hi
    1/4 sefhardi ,1/4 aschenazi , 1/4 mizrachi , 1/4 bulgarian orthodox

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    europe -80.7%


    europe south 58.4%
    south italy 27%
    north italy 12.6%
    tuscany 10.1%
    aegean 6.3%
    iberian 2.4%

    europe east 18.4%
    east balkans 16.4% probably my bulgarian grandmother }
    west balkans 2%

    europe north and west
    france 2.3%
    great briatian and ireland 1.5%

    near east 18.1%
    levant 15.4%
    south turkey 1.5%
    iran 1.3%

    africa
    north africa 1.2%










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    Is LivingDNA's ancestry composition really accurate?

    According to herself this woman is half from Iran and half from Bahrain (Bahraini Baharna).











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    I think I saw some full ashkenazi members in another forum get Southern European in the high 50's with maybe some extra Northern percentage. Kurds calculator gave 55-60 Southern as well. I know kingjohn isn't fully but I felt like mentioning this.

    Somekne half Iran half Bahrain should not be scoring anything European, let alone 35 percent. That result is almost completely off the mark
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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    I think I saw some full ashkenazi members in another forum get Southern European in the high 50's with maybe some extra Northern percentage. Kurds calculator gave 55-60 Southern as well. I know kingjohn isn't fully but I felt like mentioning this.

    Somekne half Iran half Bahrain should not be scoring anything European, let alone 35 percent. That result is almost completely off the mark
    This is a Kurd (fully Kurd according to himself).


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    They're picking up traces of very ancient correlations in her, i.e. Spanish and Italian EEF like ancestry etc.

    Hope people don't go off half-baked thinking this means they have ancestry from these areas in genealogical time, or even historical time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    They're picking up traces of very ancient correlations in her, i.e. Spanish and Italian EEF like ancestry etc.

    Hope people don't go off half-baked thinking this means they have ancestry from these areas in genealogical time, or even historical time.

    Yes, they're picking up traces of very ancient correlations but they use modern-day names of ethnic groups, sub-ethnic groups, geographical regions... this clearly helps to create a bit of confusion.


    Living DNA states that "We put your ancestry into context showing your breakdown today (going back up to 10 generations), and also the spread of your ancestors at different points in history, showing how we are all connected." This also does not help.

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    i believe many of the italian components are hiding in my aschenazi ancestery
    as there is no aschenazi refernce here .....
    and i also believe my north african 1.2% from my sefhardi heritage .......
    the france 2.3% also could be from aschenaiz communities along the rhine .....
    having said that east balkan and also the aegean probably from my bulgarian granny ......

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    kingjohn living dna results

    Hi Kingjohn.. Have you got also your y/mtdna?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Living DNA states that "We put your ancestry into context showing your breakdown today (going back up to 10 generations), and also the spread of your ancestors at different points in history, showing how we are all connected." This also does not help.
    I will contact them about this sentence and ask them to remove it. The results clearly show ancient ancestry, not anything in genealogical times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    i believe many of the italian components are hiding in my aschenazi ancestery
    as there is no aschenazi refernce here .....
    and i also believe my north african 1.2% from my sefhardi heritage .......
    the france 2.3% also could be from aschenaiz communities along the rhine .....
    having said that east balkan and also the aegean probably from my bulgarian granny ......
    This is what it shows when you click on Aegean: far southern Italy (Calabria, Apulia/Salento), Greece mainland, Greek islands + Crete, + most part of Albania and southern FYROM.

    So not necessarily a Bulgarian source, I think.






    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I will contact them about this sentence and ask them to remove it. The results clearly show ancient ancestry, not anything in genealogical times.

    That's very helpful, thanks Maciamo!

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    Do you know which Italian and Iberian regions the half Iranian is getting? Same question for the Kurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Do you know which Italian and Iberian regions the half Iranian is getting? Same question for the Kurd.
    See the maps. The half Iranian a bit of anything (including Iberian regions except Basque and a very small subregion at the border with France). The Kurd anything (north, central and far southern Italian there included in the Aegean component. See post above) except southern Italian. Southern Italy seems divided into southern Italy and far southern Italy (Aegean).

    In my opinion LivingDNA has a very good value-for-money and tests a very large amount of autosomal SNP's, but their autosomal ancestry report has yet to be improved, having more reference populations doesn't imply more accuracy. 20 subregions for United Kingdom and only 10 ancestral regions for the Middle East.

    This is a Vietnamese with no known European ancestry scoring southern Italian. Ok, anything is possible, but that's very unlikely.


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    South Italy and the Italian side of the Aegean Overlap in this maps :


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    If the Aegean Map is Related mostly to Greek Ancestry, why is Sicily not part of it ?
    “Magna Graecia”
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia


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    Wow!! I mean I can see how a middle Eastern person would score Southern European due to having a lot Neolithic farmer ancestry but the fact that an East Asian scores south Italian blows my mind. There's like nothing in common between East Asians and Italians besides, well, being human. That's as far as it goes in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    This is what it shows when you click on Aegean: far southern Italy (Calabria, Apulia/Salento), Greece mainland, Greek islands + Crete, + most part of Albania and southern FYROM.

    So not necessarily a Bulgarian source, I think.









    That's very helpful, thanks Maciamo!
    i saw 2 full aschenazi results they didn't score aegean in the complete mode
    they do score south italy , tuscany , and north italy .......
    contrary i saw a bulgarian and romanian results and they do score aegean in ther southern european component ....
    and even if i will agrre with you
    do we agree the 16% east balkan from my granny nikolinka :)

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    mtdna h3ap {like in ftdna }

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    If the Aegean Map is Related mostly to Greek Ancestry, why is Sicily not part of it ?
    “Magna Graecia”
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia
    They have likely included only Calabria and Salento based on geographical placement of the Griko speakers.

    The Greek-speaking minority in Sicily ("Greci di Messina") has been recognized only very recently (2012), it is not yet clear at all if it can be considered part of the Griko communities. At least it's not so clear to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Wow!! I mean I can see how a middle Eastern person would score Southern European due to having a lot Neolithic farmer ancestry but the fact that an East Asian scores south Italian blows my mind. There's like nothing in common between East Asians and Italians besides, well, being human. That's as far as it goes in my mind.
    Exactly so. It is quite evident that these scores should not always be taken literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Wow!! I mean I can see how a middle Eastern person would score Southern European due to having a lot Neolithic farmer ancestry but the fact that an East Asian scores south Italian blows my mind. There's like nothing in common between East Asians and Italians besides, well, being human. That's as far as it goes in my mind.
    Thanks for Classifying me as a “Human”, I appreciate that. ( or am I ? Could it be? )
    LOL lol :)
    Last edited by Salento; 19-04-18 at 19:20.

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    the east balkan from living dna { tharcains and dacians please unite }

    East Balkans description from living dna
    Politics has obscured the histories and origins of the populations of the East Balkans over the years, as people have attempted to use archaeology to create boundaries between Bulgaria and Romania. However, this genetic signature spans across present day Romania, Bulgaria and parts of Moldova and Serbia. What we know is that humans inhabited the lands from around 8000 BC, sometime after the end of the Ice Age. From the New Stone Age to the Iron Age, hunter gatherers eventually transformed into farmers and metalworkers - migrations across Europe can be thanked for such technological advancements. Bulgaria is home to Europe’s oldest known prehistoric town, which was created over 1000 years before the birth of Greek civilisation.

    From the Bronze Age, what came to be Bulgaria was occupied by the Thracian tribes whilst present day Romania was dominated by the Dacians. It is strongly thought that the Thracians and Dacians were closely related groups, demonstrating an ancient link between Bulgaria and Romania. The tribes were eventually absorbed and dispersed by the Roman, Greek and Persian colonisations. Despite originating in prehistory, these tribes leave a legacy in culture and tradition, such as the masked Bulgarian Kukeri. The name ‘Bulgaria’ was attributed by the Bulgars who migrated from Western Eurasia during the Great Migratory Period and formed the first Bulgarian

    tharcian and dacians unite

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    Changed very much now(update):
    (I purchased the kit in 2017 orion chip)
    Only one question where is the east balkan?
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    Other than that looks logic :

    Last updated February 3, 2020
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    Europe (South)
    89.5%

    South Italy
    61.3%

    Aegean
    28.2%

    Arabia
    8%

    North Africa
    2.4%

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    i lost 12% north italy , 10% tuscany , 16% east balkan , 2% west balkan , 3.8% west europe ,15% levant
    maybe all went to south italy and the aegean ......
    Last edited by kingjohn; 10-02-20 at 17:12.

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    last update with ftdna raw data upload and the latest with new regions
    have to admit they pretty much nail it :)
    https://i.imgur.com/KrAtfLw.png

    p.s
    the balkan % is now to high in my opinion .....
    i think the truth is somewhere in the middle maybe 13-15% balkan
    Last edited by kingjohn; 10-02-20 at 17:39.

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    i ask living dna :
    why the big gap in results between living dna results with with there own test
    and upload from ftdna raw data
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    there answer : ( different chip/ different set of markers )

    Hi Adam,

    Thanks for getting in touch, and for your patience while we have been so busy.

    When we say we use the 'Orion chip' or the 'Siruis chip', this refers to the physical plate we place your DNA on when we test it and generate your raw data.

    As your ftdna raw data was generated by a different company, they will have used a different chip to get their results.

    Not only will they be using a different chip, but they will also be looking for different markers in your DNA, as all testing companies have done their own research and built different reference panels with different genetic markers for each region they call for.

    This means that ftdna might not have included some of the markers we call 'South Italy' in their testing, meaning that there is less DNA we would call South Italian in that file.


    There is a helpful article on Your DNA Guide which may help to explain further.

    I hope this helps!
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