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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post

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    current linguistic chit chat states that messapian could be Thracian
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    The hypothesis that Thracian and Albanian form a distinct branch (often in these scenarios, along with Dacian) of Indo-European is given much consideration even today. A few of the cognates between Thracian and Albanian may actually represent borrowings from one language to another;[citation needed] in most cases this is ruled out because a word or lexical item follows the sound-changes expected in the language from its PIE sound-changes.
    Among the cognates between Thracian and Albanian: the Thracian inscription mezenai on the Duvanli gold ring has been unanimously linked to Messapian menzana (=horse deity) to Albanian mëz (=pony), as well as to Romanian mânz (=colt), and it is agreed that Thracian mezenai meant 'horseman'; Thracian manteia is supposed to be cognate to Albanian mand (=mulberry).
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Messapian - Albanian connection

    Menzana in Leccese dialect (Lecce was part of Messapia), refers to a specific Metal Container used for liquids.
    This is the Menzana

    I posted this pic in the past too.
    Menzana could also refer to “Mezza” - Half - as part of a standard of measurement.

    La Menza e Giove (Jupiter) Menzana

    http://www.fondazioneterradotranto.i...le-dalla-rete/
    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”

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    Very interesting. Just saw this thread now. Going to give it a read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    The data used in the study are inaccurate. Let say Greeks have high presence of J2a which is not reflected. Also R1a among Albanians of Macedonia is over 13%. Few things I noted while quickly scanning the article. As for Illyrian ancestry of Puglia that is documented but proving it through DNA its not quite convincing. When Illyrians arrived there other people already living so the present day people are a mixture. Also Puglia has a lot of recent Albanian immigrants from middle ages to present.
    Theres no official source for the levels of R1a in Albanians from Macedonia. Some figures suggest its lower than Albania within only a 3 percent range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Yes if the mods are watching, this is what tutkun means:
    "Stupid, backwards, idiot".

    Arnaut is turkish word for Albanian which can be used derogatorily.
    So his username speaks for itself..

    http://fjalorthi.com/tutkun
    He's a Qen bir Qeni. With a capital Q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    King Arthas
    King Arthas - The Great Lion of Messapia
    500 BC Messapian epos based on the deeds of King Arthas the Great.
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    The Lion of Messapia





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    "As we have already stressed, the mass evacuation of the Albanians from their triangle is the only effective course we can take. In order to relocate a whole people, the first prerequisite is the creation of a suitable psychosis. This can be done in various ways." - Vaso Cubrilovic

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    According to Pierpaolo Di Carlo, the archaeology and material context of the Novilara Stele with the North Picene language points to it having trans-adriatic origin, aka groups known as "Illyrian". The relation to daunian steles (messapic speakers) and liburnian boats (unclear if liburnian was venetic-like or northern "illyric" on spectrum with messapic).
    There is also genetic evidence that this author was not aware of. From 2018 Y-dna study of Italians, populations of Apulia and Po valley were discovered to have elevated J2b/Ev13. These are paleobalkan paternal lineages comparatively absent in Slavs. J2b particularly is a specifically Albanian lineage with it being almost absent in Greeks also, and most concentrated in north-west Gheg Albanians. J2b has been discovered in a 3500 year old tumuli in croatian coast, meaning it is a confirmed paleo-balkan adriatic lineage (~30% of Albanian men belong to this lineage).
    What this means in layman terms is that there are more Italians in Po valley and Apulia than any other region of Italy, that share the same male ancestor as 60% of Albanians within 2000-3000 years.
    While the elevation in Apulia is accounted for by the Messapic linguistic connection/affinities to Albanian, there is as of yet no such explanation for the Po Valley genetic relation. The north picene language stele is discovered at the mouth of the po valley.
    The archaeological and material culture of the North Picene elevates the probability that it has a connection with Messapics or Liburnians. In conjuction with the Y-dna relations, this elevated probability is compounded upon.
    LINK: https://www.academia.edu/2003399/Len...esto_culturale

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    In Veneti art, we see priestesses wearing a dress similar to the Albanian Xhubleta, which Baron Franz Nopcsa believed was related to the Minoan priestess dress.

    The Ancient Veneti people of Italy spoke an isolate language somwhere in between the Illyrian & Italo-Celtic IE branch.










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