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    I1 subclade table based on 60K FtDNA samples

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    ######################   I1a3   I1a2   I1a1    I1a    I1b    I1c    I1d    I1e    I1f     I1   I1-* !ISOGG  other   all
               Afghanistan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  97.56    41
                   Albania   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.00   4.00   2.00  88.00    50
                   Algeria   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  98.68   151
                   Armenia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.26  94.53   384
                   Austria   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   5.88   5.88   1.47  81.86   204
                Azerbaijan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.68   2.68   0.00  92.86   112
                   Bahrain   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00   178
                   Belarus   0.23   0.00   0.45   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.91   1.59   0.68  86.17   441
                   Belgium   0.37   1.87   0.75   0.00   0.37   0.37   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.12  11.24   1.87  79.03   267
    Bosnia and Herzegovina   1.06   0.00   1.06   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   5.32   7.45   0.00  55.32    94
                    Brazil   1.47   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.47   0.00  85.29    68
                  Bulgaria   0.00   1.58   1.27   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.90   4.75   0.63  73.10   316
                    Canada   0.56   2.78   1.11   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   6.67  11.11   0.00  80.56   180
                     China   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00    80
                   Croatia   0.98   0.00   1.96   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.90   7.84   0.00  61.76   102
            Czech Republic   0.44   1.32   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.82   6.58   0.44  80.26   228
                   Denmark   0.21   2.09   4.18   0.84   0.00   0.21   0.00   0.00   0.00  26.57  34.10   0.84  56.28   478
                     Egypt   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  97.22   180
                   England   0.52   2.03   1.51   0.21   0.08   0.08   0.00   0.02   0.00  11.35  15.88   1.42  71.36  6107
                   Estonia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   6.25   6.25   0.00  90.62    64
                   Finland   0.04   1.23   6.21   0.07   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.04  16.94  24.52   1.26  73.27  2851
                    France   0.22   0.43   0.81   0.00   0.11   0.16   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.61   9.45   0.97  83.53  1852
                   Georgia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.44  95.61   456
                   Germany   0.40   2.37   0.95   0.09   0.03   0.12   0.00   0.00   0.00   9.77  13.76   1.33  75.01  3458
                    Greece   0.00   0.19   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.96   1.15   0.19  86.81   523
                   Hungary   0.15   0.15   0.45   0.15   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   5.88   6.79   0.45  78.58   663
                     India   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  99.72   354
                      Iran   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.13  96.61   177
                      Iraq   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.21   0.21   0.10  98.87   972
                   Ireland   0.03   0.39   0.43   0.07   0.00   0.02   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.52   5.45   0.62  83.51  6113
                     Italy   0.28   0.78   0.28   0.21   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.49   4.06   0.36  89.96  1404
                     Japan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00    86
                    Jordan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.93   0.93   0.00  98.15   108
                Kazakhstan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.26   0.26   0.00  98.70   385
                    Kuwait   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.39  99.61   509
                Kyrgyzstan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.96   1.96   0.00  98.04    51
                    Latvia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.79  95.28   127
                   Lebanon   0.62   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.62   1.23   0.00  98.77   162
                     Libya   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00   169
                 Lithuania   0.00   0.35   1.24   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.12   3.71   0.00  92.76   566
                    Mexico   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.40   1.40   0.47  85.98   214
                   Moldova   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  97.83    46
                   Morocco   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00   101
               Netherlands   0.60   3.00   1.50   0.30   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  12.59  17.99   1.65  70.16   667
          Northern Ireland   0.00   1.66   1.47   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.87   7.00   2.39  76.43   543
                    Norway   0.13   4.76   7.13   0.56   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  21.84  34.42   2.00  59.01  1598
                      Oman   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00   100
                  Pakistan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00    89
     Palestinian Territory   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00   108
               Philippines   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00    63
                    Poland   0.43   0.60   0.90   0.09   0.00   0.04   0.00   0.00   0.00   3.67   5.71   0.72  85.20  2345
                  Portugal   0.45   1.06   0.15   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.97   3.64   0.61  90.76   660
               Puerto Rico   0.00   1.49   1.49   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.49   4.48   0.00  94.03    67
                     Qatar   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.41  99.59   244
                   Romania   0.00   0.00   1.01   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.55   5.56   0.51  80.30   198
        Russian Federation   0.19   0.73   0.84   0.23   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.92   3.91   0.19  90.30  2609
              Saudi Arabia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.04   0.04   0.22  99.75  2790
                  Scotland   0.10   1.40   0.90   0.21   0.00   0.02   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.65  10.28   0.72  79.74  4863
                    Serbia   1.06   0.00   1.06   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.13   0.00  68.09    94
                  Slovakia   0.00   0.47   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   4.19   4.65   0.00  78.14   215
                  Slovenia   0.00   4.23   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   5.63   9.86   0.00  76.06    71
                     Spain   0.85   0.18   0.06   0.12   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.84   4.05   0.24  90.32  1653
                     Sudan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00   189
                    Sweden   0.27   6.17   9.44   0.80   0.05   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  22.48  39.27   2.90  54.45  1864
               Switzerland   0.20   2.61   0.80   0.40   0.00   0.20   0.00   0.00   0.00   6.21  10.42   1.60  77.56   499
      Syrian Arab Republic   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  98.29   117
                   Tunisia   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  99.26   136
                    Turkey   0.17   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.34   0.50   0.17  95.97   595
                   Ukraine   0.40   0.10   0.30   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   2.92   3.73   0.30  82.07   993
      United Arab Emirates   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 100.00   490
            United Kingdom   0.35   1.61   1.65   0.08   0.08   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  12.34  16.19   1.14  70.75  2544
             United States   0.38   1.07   1.58   0.00   0.06   0.13   0.00   0.00   0.00   5.69   8.97   1.14  81.87  1583
                Uzbekistan   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00  98.39    62
                     Wales   0.40   1.21   0.40   0.00   0.00   0.20   0.00   0.00   0.00  11.92  14.14   0.61  76.77   495
                     Yemen   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.57  98.43   318
                       ALL   0.23   1.21   1.44   0.13   0.02   0.03   0.00   0.00   0.00   7.01  10.08   0.85  81.61 60539
    Haplogroup I subclades that couldn't be determined are listed under !ISOGG and are either I1 or I2. I suspect a lot of entries are from people with the 12 marker test, which probably doesn't predict any I1 subclades.

    Edit: simplified table and fixed the I1a row.
    Last edited by Expredel; 26-04-18 at 03:53.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I1 Z63*
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    Thanks. It looks as I would expect. The Balkan Z63 (I1a3) branches have always been interesting. For some reason those branches flourished in those areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    Thanks. It looks as I would expect. The Balkan Z63 (I1a3) branches have always been interesting. For some reason those branches flourished in those areas.
    Unfortunately the sample size in the Balkans is too low for it to be reliable. Looks like I1a3 reliably peaks in the Netherlands and Spain.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    High frequency in the NL makes sense for the rate in the UK.

    The Iberian clade is very noticeable in the Z63 research group.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    What's the difference between I1 and I1* in your table?

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    I1 contains all I1 samples that are not I1a, I1b, etc.

    I1-* lists all samples including I1, I1a, I1b, etc.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b
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    Percentage 85.20 for Poland = all Non-I1 haplogroups?

    That would mean that Poland has 14.8% of I1, I think that's too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Percentage 85.20 for Poland = all Non-I1 haplogroups?

    That would mean that Poland has 14.8% of I1, I think that's too high.
    Agreed. In theory shouldn't the I1*, ISOGG, and Other column total to 100?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    Agreed. In theory shouldn't the I1*, ISOGG, and Other column total to 100?
    My mistake, I didn't include the I2 column, so Other lists all non-I haplogroups.

    I posted an I2 table here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...-FtDNA-samples

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    I have taken the numbers generously compiled by Expredel to make the following tables:

    1. Percent of I1a3 (Z63) of total I1 in a country (column K)

    Z63 of total I1.PNG

    2. Percent of I1a3 (Z63) of total population in a country (column L)

    Z63 of total population.PNG

    England/Netherlands and UK/Germany similarity shows that Z63 was a small contingent of the Saxons.

    Overall, Z63 was not as prolific as the other two main I1 branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    I have taken the numbers generously compiled by Expredel to make the following tables:

    1. Percent of I1a3 (Z63) of total I1 in a country (column K)

    Z63 of total I1.PNG

    2. Percent of I1a3 (Z63) of total population in a country (column L)

    Z63 of total population.PNG

    England/Netherlands and UK/Germany similarity shows that Z63 was a small contingent of the Saxons.

    Overall, Z63 was not as prolific as the other two main I1 branches.
    I1a2 has a surprising spread from Scandinavia to the Isles and mainland Europe. I1a3, doesn't seem to be as prolific, but perhaps that is due to lack of testing? Can we really attribute Z58, Z63 to just the Saxons? L22 and friends seem to be quite assuredly Scandinavian (or so it seems). Z58 and Z63 seem to be less definitive with their distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    I1a2 has a surprising spread from Scandinavia to the Isles and mainland Europe. I1a3, doesn't seem to be as prolific, but perhaps that is due to lack of testing? Can we really attribute Z58, Z63 to just the Saxons? L22 and friends seem to be quite assuredly Scandinavian (or so it seems). Z58 and Z63 seem to be less definitive with their distribution.
    I never said Z63 was only Saxon, but that it was surely carried by the Saxons. It's the same with the Gothic tribes. Z63 predates the formation of these tribes and they both got low amounts because of shared Germanic heritage.

    Z58 has many Nordic subclades and is widely distributed while Z63 spread into Scandinavia is probably incidental contact with continental Z63 carriers over time, rather than being a source of Z63.

    Z58 also has a more north to south distribution. Heavy in Scandinavia, Germany, and the southern tribes like Allemans. Z63 is more east to west, being more Saxon and Gothic but less Scandinavian. I suspect there is less Z63 in places like Austria, Slovenia, Switzerland because Z63 might not have been as common in the southern German tribes.

    As for evidence of Saxon distribution of Z63, check the FTDNA map thread again to see where the Z63 clusters are located in Britain. Saxon lands and lowland Scotland.

    The Hamilton clan in Scotland is Z63 and has had many BigY tests, skewing the results. Their claim for their lineage is Norman.

    Aside from the Hamiltons there's nobody on Yfull with Z63 that has a Scotland flag set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheal View Post
    Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows:
    I-M253-AS6 =>32% I-M253-AS5 =>31% I-M253-AS1 =>12% I-M253-AS1H =>6% I-M253-AS9a =>4% I-M253-EE =>4% I-M253-ML =>3% I-M253-ASgen =>2% I-M253-1313 =>2% I-M253-AS8 =>1% I-M253-AS10 =>1%
    I-M253-AS6 & AS5 seem to belong firmly to the I-Z140 group, specifically the subclade F2642. This may mean that your husband/sons are one of the various branches under I-Z58 (I1a2). That same Haplo-I Subclade predictor places me somewhere between AS6 and AS5, however further SNP testing has found that my Y-haplogroup is downstream of Z58.

    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    I never said Z63 was only Saxon, but that it was surely carried by the Saxons. It's the same with the Gothic tribes. Z63 predates the formation of these tribes and they both got low amounts because of shared Germanic heritage.

    Z58 has many Nordic subclades and is widely distributed while Z63 spread into Scandinavia is probably incidental contact with continental Z63 carriers over time, rather than being a source of Z63.

    Z58 also has a more north to south distribution. Heavy in Scandinavia, Germany, and the southern tribes like Allemans. Z63 is more east to west, being more Saxon and Gothic but less Scandinavian. I suspect there is less Z63 in places like Austria, Slovenia, Switzerland because Z63 might not have been as common in the southern German tribes.

    As for evidence of Saxon distribution of Z63, check the FTDNA map thread again to see where the Z63 clusters are located in Britain. Saxon lands and lowland Scotland.

    The Hamilton clan in Scotland is Z63 and has had many BigY tests, skewing the results. Their claim for their lineage is Norman.

    Aside from the Hamiltons there's nobody on Yfull with Z63 that has a Scotland flag set.
    Ah okay, I see what you mean. I think the distribution and mapping of the distribution for the three main I1 branches could certainly be of major value in the future, especially if we come across more ancient I1 samples in Europe.

    I had forgotten about the I-Z63 Hamiltons! Clan Hamilton DNA project has a rather large amount of I1 haplotypes, I seem to recall it was believed that the I-L338 group was likely to be of Anglo-Saxon origin, but perhaps the opinion on that has since changed.

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    Ah okay, I see what you mean. I think the distribution and mapping of the distribution for the three main I1 branches could certainly be of major value in the future, especially if we come across more ancient I1 samples in Europe.

    I had forgotten about the I-Z63 Hamiltons! Clan Hamilton DNA project has a rather large amount of I1 haplotypes, I seem to recall it was believed that the I-L338 group was likely to be of Anglo-Saxon origin, but perhaps the opinion on that has since changed.
    I would agree that it would make more sense for the Hamiltons to be Anglo-Saxon, but I know they claim Norman. Often the origination stories are made up for social standing.

    Check out this text from an older book that goes into the details of the intricacies of the Anglo-Saxon origins. Things were very complicated with the migrations to Britain.

    http://archive.org/stream/originofan...ruoft_djvu.txt

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    [QUOTE=spruithean;542782]I-M253-AS6 & AS5 seem to belong firmly to the I-Z140 group, specifically the subclade F2642. This may mean that your husband/sons are one of the various branches under I-Z58 (I1a2). That same Haplo-I Subclade predictor places me somewhere between AS6 and AS5, however further SNP testing has found that my Y-haplogroup is downstream of Z58.

    I would say they are downstream of which ever group. There were quite a few additional mutations in each of the top three categories.

    The paternal family is from most probably Rotterdam area. At least that is the area that the spouse of the most distant know paternal spouse's family.

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    Percent of I1a2 within the I1 population (Z58, Z60, Z140, etc)
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    Percent I1a1 of total I1 in a country (includes large branch of L22)
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    Here is total I1 percentage of the population by country, with the percent of the "big 3" in the total population shown in the right 3 columns.



    This makes it easy to see that England and Germany were close, with Viking settlement raising the I1a1 later.

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    Graphically presented, the breakdown of the big 3 branches as a total of I1 in a country.

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    Cool graph and interesting distribution of I1a3, looks like it has a significantly more southern distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expredel View Post
    Cool graph and interesting distribution of I1a3, looks like it has a significantly more southern distribution.
    That is because Z63 appeared to have been at a higher frequency in the eastern Germanic tribes, who became part of the Goths that brought it through the Balkans, eastern Europe, Italy, France, and Iberia. They had quite an impact on the places they went.

    And it is also more southern than the other I1 branches as they are more Scandinavian oriented while Z63 clearly had an original base of operations from the Netherlands through Germany and possibly western Poland.

    L22 was heavy in the eastern Swedes I would guess, as Maciamo said they spread to Finland.

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    I would love to have you recommend more info on I1 since my husband and sons are from that HG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheal View Post
    I would love to have you recommend more info on I1 since my husband and sons are from that HG.
    What test indicated they were I1? Do you have a specific branch?

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    They are I-253, sorry, I haven't been able to drill down with a Big Y. I'm still trying to get the grandfather's full mt results from February. But they are from Holland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheal View Post
    They are I-253, sorry, I haven't been able to drill down with a Big Y. I'm still trying to get the grandfather's full mt results from February. But they are from Holland.
    This is based on STR test from FTDNA? Use the I1 subclade predictor at www.nevgen.org

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