Ancestry DNA Update

[Salento]

Was not the dark area Doric lands before the eventual messapic/iapyges pushed them out ?

Most of the Griko came in a more recent medieval migration.
and I can see Albania from my window, sometimes lol

[Salento]

I’m with the Italians:



Salento is in limbo, they don't assign it to anyone.
imho The oracle gets confused ’cause of the Italians, the Griko and Albanians all living in the same small area.

Came from Rome:




Griko Anthem (kind of it):

[bigsnake49]

Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm OK with Puglia, but my roots are in the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol


I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)

So they're off by 50km. Big deal!

[bigsnake49]

I forgot if there was a genetic study of the Griko and the Calabrian Greko people that might shed some light on their genetic ancestry.

[Salento]

So they're off by 50km. Big deal!

I guess ...
it’s close enough.

[Salento]

Mine just got updated. Previous estimate:

Greece & the Balkans 62%
Eastern Europe & Russia 29%
Turkey and the Caucasus 6%
Italy 3%

The new estimate:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

The new estimate is almost the exact opposite of the Living DNA estimate which has Eastern Europe 70% and Aegean ancestry at 27%.

If you got a regional community, is it correct?

[bigsnake49]

If you got a regional community, is it correct?

It was close to Ancestry and MyHeritage in the old days before the new look if you did the regional option.

[I1a3_Young]

Ancestry released a new ethnicity update this week. For typical white Americans I notice a trend of reporting higher Irish/Scottish than before. Example, raising me from 10% to 23%.

I also notice a trend of overreporting small amounts of Scandinavian in typical US southerners. Some are getting higher than my father who actually has a Norwegian immigrant. There was very little direct Scandinavian immigration into the colonial south and I'm guessing their calculator is picking up Scandinavian sub-pop genes that existed in the UK in the 1600s.

[Joey37]

Screen Shot 2019-11-16 at 3.11.35 PM.pngActually they dialed down my Irish and Scottish-which is virtually all Irish, mmm potatoes-to a more realistic amount, but they got rid of any trace of my Sicilian! Infamia! (I would add a curse in Italian, but Angela probably knows what it means)

[Angela]

Screen Shot 2019-11-16 at 3.11.35 PM.pngActually they dialed down my Irish and Scottish-which is virtually all Irish, mmm potatoes-to a more realistic amount, but they got rid of any trace of my Sicilian! Infamia! (I would add a curse in Italian, but Angela probably knows what it means)

Not if it was Sicilian dialect. I have to get it translated.:) I got all those lovely Neapolitan ballads translated too. I only understood 50-60%. It was more than worth the effort.

[dominique_nuit]

My latest update from Ancestry.com ---> I am basically 1/2 Western Calabrese, 1/4 Southern Irish, 1/4 English (mid-19th c. Yorkshire ancestry plus 17th c. Quaker ancestry)

• Southern Italy31%
• Ireland26%
  
  • Munster, Ireland
    
    
  
  
• Scotland12%
• Northern Italy10%
• France9%
• Germanic Europe3%
• Wales3%
• England & Northwestern Europe2%
  
  • Yorkshire & East Midlands, England
    
    
    • North Yorkshire, East Riding & Lincolnshire
  
  
• Greece & Albania2%
• Eastern Europe & Russia2%

My takeaways are that (1) my English heritage is primarily Celtic as opposed to Anglo-Saxon; and (2) my Calabrese heritage must in large measure stem from Italic tribes who moved down the peninsula (judging by the 9% French & 10% Northern Italian results).

However, I am still befuddled by a 2% East Africa result that I scored on National Geographic test, and which I have seen repeated on other calculators (Eurogenes, Dodecad) using my raw data from Ancestry.com ----> therefore, I believe that there must be a very ancient and primordial signal from East Africa that exists in Southern Italy, perhaps going back to pre-Neolithic times

[Jovialis]

Here is my new results after the latest update:

[Salento]

[AdeoF]

Here is my update from ancestry.com, Portuguese went down by 20% higher Spanish and also got northern Italian now, cool!

[torzio]

my new one.................I had 43% french and 26% italian in the previous

[torzio]

Edit

... Messapi ... I guess ...

this
https://www.guidapulia.it/it/news/storia/dauni-peucezi-messapi-i-popoli-dell-antica-iapigia.htm


https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Stori...i/Capitolo_XVI

[Salento]

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[Salento]

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[Palermo Trapani]

My August 2020 Ancestry Update: My new Ancestry Results are more in line with my NAT GENO results where I get my top 2 Reference populations as 1) Italian and 2) Greek. Prior Ancestry Results were not showing any affinity with Greeks, even though NAT GENO did, MyTrueAncestry list Ancient Romans and Greeks as my top 2 Deep Dive population matches and the Coordinates that Jovialis has been producing for the Dodecad K7 show affinity with the C6 Ancient Roman Sample and Mycenaeans. I guess the 2% Norway is picking up some Norman ancestry, which was showing up in NAT GENO which gave me 7% NW Europe. I think that would be what is showing up here.

[Salento]

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[bigsnake49]

This is mine. Here are the previous estimates:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

Wonder why they don't have a more fine grained Balkan breakdown. I keep seeing a 2-5% Baltic/Scandinavian signal in FTDNA and MyHeritage also. There is something there I think.

[dominique_nuit]

[QUOTE=Palermo Trapani;612960\I guess the 2% Norway is picking up some Norman ancestry, which was showing up in NAT GENO which gave me 7% NW Europe. I think that would be what is showing up here [/QUOTE]
I would say that’s a pretty damn certain Norman signal. My mother scored 3% Norway, and she’s half Irish and roughly half Yorkshire English. I’m guessing possible Viking ancestry on both sides of her tree.
But her 3% Norway becomes my more general 3% Germanic Europe a mere generation later.
So I would wager lots of $$$ that your 3% Norway is a very strong Norman signal

[bigsnake49]

My wife's.

[Palermo Trapani]

I would say that’s a pretty damn certain Norman signal. My mother scored 3% Norway, and she’s half Irish and roughly half Yorkshire English. I’m guessing possible Viking ancestry on both sides of her tree.
But her 3% Norway becomes my more general 3% Germanic Europe a mere generation later.
So I would wager lots of $$$ that your 3% Norway is a very strong Norman signal

dominique_nuit: Thanks for the post. The Normans being a source of that signal was the most logical explanation to me so thanks for the corroboration.

[dominique_nuit]

Not sure I’d call it my “corroboration.” More like my 2 cents! I read Eupedia on fairly regular basis, but rarely have anything insightful to say about the studies (and therefore rarely comment). However, you strike me as one of the best new posters here, especially on Italian matters (which are the threads I generally read for obvious reasons).