AncestryDNA Ancestry DNA Update

Salento · Sep 17, 2021

Updated July 2021

… with each update they strip away a piece of Italy from me, I started around 80%, maybe next update it will start going up again

torzio · Sep 17, 2021

torzio said:
interesting..................clicking on each noted area , gives me my closest matches

for North Italy it has surnames ....Torresan and Stangherlin.......both distant relatives !!!

just got the new admixture

up by 3% from post #77 for north italian

torzio · Sep 17, 2021

and with this

Salento · Sep 18, 2021

MyHeritage:

Salento · Sep 18, 2021

older (imho better) estimate … 75% Italy … range 71-100%

… current 23andme:

Jovialis · Sep 18, 2021

Here is mine.

Angela · Sep 18, 2021

Mine. Sad, though, that it's not as accurate at pinpointing Parma and the Lunigiana.

Palermo Trapani · Sep 18, 2021

My New Ancestry Updated Results: Last result was 89% South Italy, 9% Greek/Albanian and 2% Norwegian (which I think was either noise or some Normal signal being picked up then). New Results increase my Greek/Albanian along with Aegean to 14%, not surprising, and still is showing the Norman signal of 2% (which might still be noise).

Salento · Sep 18, 2021

Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean

Palermo Trapani · Sep 18, 2021

Salento said:
Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean

Salento: Interesting information.

torzio · Sep 18, 2021

Salento said:
Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean

north-Italians have been in Greek lands since the 13th century

https://www.romeartlover.it/Venezia.html

click on any town on the map for further info

Jovialis · Sep 19, 2021

Salento said:
Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean

I don't even think it is necessarily due to Northern Italian input into Greek islands. But rather the AncestryDNA algorithm is scrambling the components because there is so much ancient ancestry overlap in the Greek/Balkan/South Italian regions. They all come from the pan-Mediterranean genetic continuum described in Aneli et al 2021, and further supported by Sarno et al 2021, and Olalde et al 2021. You and I are 100% (or at least close to) from Puglia, in the modern sense.

All four of my grandparents come from the same region, and all four of theirs' did as well.

Salento · Sep 19, 2021

Jovialis said:
I don't even think it is necessarily due to Northern Italian input into Greek islands. But rather the AncestryDNA algorithm is scrambling the components because there is so much ancient ancestry overlap in the Greek/Balkan/South Italian regions. They all come from the pan-Mediterranean genetic continuum described in Aneli et al 2021, and further supported by Sarno et al 2021, and Olalde et al 2021. You and I are 100% (or at least close to) from Puglia, in the modern sense.

All four of my grandparents come from the same region, and all four of theirs' did as well.

We have no family history of ever coming from anywhere other than Puglia.

All my grandparents and their grandparents were born in the province of Lecce.

… as a kid I remember seeing a land record document (catasto), and it went back a couple of hundred years.

Salento · Sep 19, 2021

I mixed modern and ancient Dodecad K12b samples (Vahaduo site) and added the sample below (credit to Jovialis, ...S)

… my top ancient range: 820 AD - 1430 AD

top 10:

Code:

ETR001,8.19,0,2.62,0.45,33.92,11.31,0,0,12.02,0,31.49,0
CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.66,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26.92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31.24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36.4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0,26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36,28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.21,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43,0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34.44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28.11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38,29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1.99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23.04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0,28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0,14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5.77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30.32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30.73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3.07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
BRC001_023,0,0,3.47,0,54.97,4.94,0,0.75,9.95,0,24.98,0.94
BRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0,18.99,1.33
BRC003,1.48,0,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0,0,5.74,0,17.40,0.74
BRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.11,0.52,16.2,1.1
BRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0,18.69,0.51
BRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
BRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
BRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
BRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91,0
BRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1.12
GCP002A1,2.18,0,3.15,3.26,44.5,29.77,0,0,5.27,0,11.87,0
GCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32,0,13.45,0
GCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0,0,0
GLR001A1,0,1.77,4.40,0,58.27,5.15,0,0,11.05,0.22,17.72,1.41
GLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.86,0
GLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1.93
LSC002_004,0,0,0,0,62.94,2.45,0,0,6.28,0,26.23,2.11
LSC005A1_013,0,0,2.64,1.84,57.50,6.67,0,0,9.34,0,21.45,0.55
LSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
LSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15.96,0
LSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0
VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.00,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.00,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.00,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14

https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

Angela · Sep 19, 2021

Jovialis said:
I don't even think it is necessarily due to Northern Italian input into Greek islands. But rather the AncestryDNA algorithm is scrambling the components because there is so much ancient ancestry overlap in the Greek/Balkan/South Italian regions. They all come from the pan-Mediterranean genetic continuum described in Aneli et al 2021, and further supported by Sarno et al 2021, and Olalde et al 2021. You and I are 100% (or at least close to) from Puglia, in the modern sense.

All four of my grandparents come from the same region, and all four of theirs' did as well.

That's exactly right. Elite administrators of a ruling power, given their small numbers, are never going to change the autosomal make-up of the colonies. Did the English make Indians English like, even after centuries of rule?

Originally, ancestry had Southern Italy, Greece and Albania as one cluster. They are still operating under that paradigm. It's just that they're giving "precedence" to Greece, so Southern Italians have a lot of "Greek". If they gave "precedence" to Southern Italian, Greeks would have a lot of Southern Italian. Indeed, in some earlier editions, that's exactly what happened: a lot of Greeks found to their surprise that they had a lot of Southern Italian in them.

Una faccia, una razza indeed.

Dushman · Sep 19, 2021

With the latest update 2 of my friends went from 2 or 3% to 0% Balkan and 100% Albania and Greece.

What did that 2-3% Balkan mean anyway?

torzio · Sep 19, 2021

Dushman said:
With the latest update 2 of my friends went from 2 or 3% to 0% Balkan and 100% Albania and Greece.

What did that 2-3% Balkan mean anyway?

in AncestryDNA balkans means

The Balkan DNA region ( Croatia and Bosnia/Herzegovina ) is bordered by the Adriatic Sea to the west, countries including Romania and Hungary to the North and the Black Sea to the east. The Balkan Mountain Range stretches from near the Timbok River valley near the border that Serbia and Bulgaria share all the way to the beautiful cliffs at Cape Emine at the Black Sea.

......................it does not include ashkenazi jews nor Bulgars which came from the north-Caucasus...................it does include slavs

In the past it included Kosovo and Serbia but I am not sure it does in this latest data

But looking at what they gave me for my Balkans ............it has Serbia and Bulgaria ........but does NOT include Kosovo

torzio · Sep 19, 2021

Salento said:

I mixed modern and ancient Dodecad K12b samples (Vahaduo site) and added the sample below (credit to Jovialis, ...S)

… my top ancient range: 820 AD - 1430 AD

top 10:

Code:

ETR001,8.19,0,2.62,0.45,33.92,11.31,0,0,12.02,0,31.49,0
CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.66,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26.92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31.24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36.4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0,26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36,28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.21,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43,0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34.44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28.11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38,29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1.99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23.04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0,28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0,14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5.77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30.32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30.73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3.07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
BRC001_023,0,0,3.47,0,54.97,4.94,0,0.75,9.95,0,24.98,0.94
BRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0,18.99,1.33
BRC003,1.48,0,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0,0,5.74,0,17.40,0.74
BRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.11,0.52,16.2,1.1
BRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0,18.69,0.51
BRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
BRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
BRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
BRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91,0
BRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1.12
GCP002A1,2.18,0,3.15,3.26,44.5,29.77,0,0,5.27,0,11.87,0
GCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32,0,13.45,0
GCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0,0,0
GLR001A1,0,1.77,4.40,0,58.27,5.15,0,0,11.05,0.22,17.72,1.41
GLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.86,0
GLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1.93
LSC002_004,0,0,0,0,62.94,2.45,0,0,6.28,0,26.23,2.11
LSC005A1_013,0,0,2.64,1.84,57.50,6.67,0,0,9.34,0,21.45,0.55
LSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
LSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15.96,0
LSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0
VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.00,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.00,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.00,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14

https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

Distance to:	Torziok12b
5.35530487	VK538_Dod_K12b
7.47945854	CSN005
7.77274083	CSN009
8.85378450	CSN008
9.41315569	ETR007
9.57447649	VET001
9.89305312	MAS001
10.99554455	TAQ006
11.05177814	CAM002
11.17633214	VOL001
11.32613350	TAQ022
11.63097588	CSN006
11.80943267	CSN010
11.86362508	MAS004
11.98595845	TAQ020
12.05735460	POP001
12.13428201	CSN013
12.20780898	TAQ011
12.30322722	BRC002
12.54692393	ETR003
12.64932014	TAQ009
12.85277402	CSN002
13.01492220	TAQ016
13.27414027	CSN001
13.36240248	TAQ015

my results only for your additions

with your total results

Distance to:	Torziok12b
1.89726118	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.40054542	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
4.63928874	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.65137614	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
4.82277928	Collegno23
4.86300319	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
5.02880702	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.15625833	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.00532264	Szolad28
6.35530487	VK538_Dod_K12b
6.41286208	France_IA_NOR3-15
6.56872895	France_IA_ERS88
6.60955369	Collegno49
6.88000000	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
6.93799683	Collegno94
7.28685117	R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.47945854	CSN005
7.57478052	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.62312272	Collegno57
7.70831369	Collegno36
7.72828571	Collegno47
7.77274083	CSN009
7.79092421	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
7.86207988	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.88022842	R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Stuvanè · Sep 19, 2021

Salento said:

I mixed modern and ancient Dodecad K12b samples (Vahaduo site) and added the sample below (credit to Jovialis, ...S)

… my top ancient range: 820 AD - 1430 AD

top 10:

Code:

ETR001,8.19,0,2.62,0.45,33.92,11.31,0,0,12.02,0,31.49,0
CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.66,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26.92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31.24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36.4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0,26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36,28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.21,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43,0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34.44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28.11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38,29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1.99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23.04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0,28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0,14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5.77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30.32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30.73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3.07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
BRC001_023,0,0,3.47,0,54.97,4.94,0,0.75,9.95,0,24.98,0.94
BRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0,18.99,1.33
BRC003,1.48,0,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0,0,5.74,0,17.40,0.74
BRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.11,0.52,16.2,1.1
BRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0,18.69,0.51
BRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
BRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
BRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
BRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91,0
BRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1.12
GCP002A1,2.18,0,3.15,3.26,44.5,29.77,0,0,5.27,0,11.87,0
GCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32,0,13.45,0
GCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0,0,0
GLR001A1,0,1.77,4.40,0,58.27,5.15,0,0,11.05,0.22,17.72,1.41
GLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.86,0
GLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1.93
LSC002_004,0,0,0,0,62.94,2.45,0,0,6.28,0,26.23,2.11
LSC005A1_013,0,0,2.64,1.84,57.50,6.67,0,0,9.34,0,21.45,0.55
LSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
LSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15.96,0
LSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0
VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.00,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.00,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.00,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14

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Here mine

Distance to:	Dodecadk12bStuvanè
3.43011662	Szolad31
3.44400929	Szolad36
3.71212877	Collegno36
4.12127407	ETR007
4.21513938	Szolad43
4.22113729	Italian_Romagna
4.64806411	Italian_Tuscany
4.68264882	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
4.97630385	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
5.17443717	Italian_Liguria
5.19567128	scy192_Scythian
5.20443080	Italian_Emilia
5.34300477	R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
5.53207014	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.57919349	Szolad37
5.64705233	scy300_Scythian
5.87326144	Collegno23
5.96436920	TAQ009
6.10509623	Albanian_Kosovo
6.18798836	POP001
6.25171976	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.26295457	Italian_Veneto
6.31981012	TAQ011
6.33497435	Italian_Lazio
6.43351381	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge

Some combos

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè Distance: 0.8724% / 0.87237919 \| R2P
74.9	Szolad36

25.1	Italian_Trentino

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè Distance: 0.6593% / 0.65925115 \| ADC: 0.5x RC
63.1	Szolad36

19.4	Italian_Friuli_VG

17.5	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè Distance: 0.2914% / 0.29143074 \| ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4	Szolad36

25.6	Italian_Friuli_VG

11.5	Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge

10.4	Macedonian_South

2.1	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto

Palermo Trapani · Sep 19, 2021

My top 25 distances using Dodecad 12 modern, ancient and additional sample coordinates provided by Jovialis

Distance to:	PalermoTrapani_Combined
2.38784422	VEN015
2.62716577	R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.80777492	R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.25103061	R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.29887860	R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.56992997	Italian_Campania
3.77608263	Italian_Abruzzo
3.93635618	R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
3.98449495	Italian_Sicily
4.04278369	VEN013
4.05677212	R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
4.18025119	R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.24855269	VEN005
4.25480904	R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
4.28794823	R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.47671755	Szolad40
4.58093877	ETR001
4.58742847	R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.61280826	TAQ003
4.63776886	R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.81801826	R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.85203050	R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.04013889	Collegno121
5.06126466	R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
5.06482971	R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Model Combinations, Restricted to 3 Populations, 2 Populations and Unrestricted, respecively.

Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.6252% / 0.62522306 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.6 VEN015
39.6 Italian_Campania
5.8 MX219_Switzerland_LN

Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.8769% / 0.87689835 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.6 VEN015
45.4 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.5470% / 0.54698750 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.8 VEN015
25.5 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.6 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.6 ETR001
7.0 MAS003
5.4 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
1.1 VEN005

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