New map of Slavic Y-DNA

I am living in Romania and getting testing would be quite complicated.

Not at all. You have Yseq (see their STR panels) and LivingDNA (they have 3-in-1 ancestry testing), both European companies with affordable prices. Testing kit will come in a few days and when sending samples back, just send them in a padded bubble envelope with tracking. Because Romania is in EU, they won't bother you with customs. It is like sending a domestic letter. Easy-peasy!
 
I think both romanians and hungarians has a strong slavic ancestry. My personal evidences: At First:
I searched for all my 8 great-great-grandfathers direct paternal line male descendants, (and two other of my great-great-great grandfathers male descendants) and managed to identify their exact Y haplogroup.
I think, the results are interesting.
1.) E1b1b-V13-CTS9320-Y81971. family name: Küzmös, earliest known ancestor born: 1735 Penészlek, Szatmár county, religion: greek catholic, origin: unknown, maybe illyrian, thracian or dacian?.
2.) R1b-U106-DF98-S22069. f.n: Dobi, e.k.a: 1758 Balkány, Szabolcs, county. r: reformed protestant, o: germanic.
3.) R1b-U152-L2-Z49-S8172 f. n: Béres, e.k.a: 1831 Nyírbéltek, Szabolcs county, r: greek catholic, o: Hallstatt celtic
4.) I2a-L621-A1328 f.n: Tóth, e.k.a: 1809 Nyírbéltek, Szabolcs county, greek catholic o: proto-slavic, rusin
5.) R1a-M458-YP415 f.n: Kalenyák, e.k.a: 1813 Felsőszvidnik, Sáros county (today Slovakia) greek catholic, o: western slavic, polish
6.) R1a-L664-S2866 f.n: Simon, e.k.a: 1758 Rimaszombat, Gömör county (today: Slovakia) reformed, o: western germanic, maybe langobard
7.) I2a-L621-Y3118 f.n: Kiss, e.k.a: 1783 Penészlek, Szatmár county, greek catholic, proto-slavic, rusin
8.) I1-L22-FGC14412 f.n: Szilágyi e.k.a: 1795 Penészlek, Szatmár county, greek catholic, o: proto-germanic, scandinavian, varangian from Kiew Rus?
9.) R1a-CTS1211-Y33-YP1701 f.n: Petruska e.k.a: 1781 Nyíradony Szabolcs county, roman catholic o: eastern slavic, slovakian or rusin
10.) Q-L53-L330-YP1695 f.n: Csehely, e.k.a: 1798, Bánháza, Szabolcs county, greek catholic, o: Cuman or jasz, according to Maciamo: Hunnic from Inner Asian steppes.
So it means, I haven't finno-ugric, central asian turkish or scythian, other iranian ancestry of these 10 ancestors.
But I have
30% indigenous proto-european mesolithic hunter, (I1, I2).
10 % neolithic farmer (or mesolithic hunter?) from Africa (later the Mediterraneum, E1b1b); 50% Bronz Age invaders from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, Indo-europeans, (R1a, R1b)
10% Inner Asian (Hunnic?) invaders from the Mongolian steppes, (Q)

From another point of view:
40% slavic
30% germanic
10% celtic
10% illyrian/thracian/dacian
10% hunnic-inner asian.

At second:
I searched my closest relative families all of this, and my two I2a-L621 results, based on the YFULL, and FtDNA:

I2a-L621-S17250-A1328 known families: (TMRCA: 1400 ybp)
Sergeyev: Tula, Russia
Prudkyi: Harkov Ukraina
Rudy: Lipivci, Ukraina
Barbo: Talachin, Belarus
Vlarenic-Stachowski: Stochava, Belarus
Dzuba: Botajnica, Bosnia
Ciric: Maricka, Bosnia
Vranjesevic: Bosanski Petrovac, Bosnia
Wisniewski: Warsawa, Poland
Starasinic: Krasinec, Slovenia
Melnikov, Baskiria, Russia
Tóth: Nyírbéltek, Hungary

I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 known families (TMRCA 2200 ybp)
Vorobyev: Jaroslavl, Russia
Lepeshov: Sloboda, Russia
Karandin: Tver, Russia
Mayorov: Iskozy Belarus
Rogozin: Suhumnichi Russia
Guzev: Voronez, Russia
Akenfelds: Nikrace, Latvia
Leszcyszyn: Odrzechowa, Poland
Bogdanec: Mcensk, Russia
Led: Sagun, Russia
Yagovtsev: Krasnodar, Russia
Vlasov: ? Russia
Mazalov: Sovetskaya, Russia
Voronin: Moscow Russia
Sari: ?
Lavrov: ?
Chebotar: ?
Litowczak: Smerek, Poland
Dorogov: ?
Yurkovets: ?
Czerniechowski: Poland
Pererva: Kazatskoye, Ukraina
Borgelin: Terralampi Vihti, Finland
N.N: Viljandi, Estland
N.N. Ahtirsky, Ukraina
N.N: Iasi, Romania
N.N. Istanbul, Turkey.

According this, I think, both of my two I2a-L621 roots are clearly slavic. There are no west european or germanic results.
 
Why I think Dacians were not related to Slavs neither to Greeks?
Because Dacians did not practiced almost any kind of agriculture.
Dacians practiced mostly sheep herding and were also making wine and planting in very primitive matter some kind of cereal from which they made polenta.
Slavs were not so experts in agriculture as the Romans or as the Greeks and Romanians took this lesser farming from Slavs that migrated in Romania.

Is clear that in Transylvania is a stronger Celtic influence, since people there had as traditional cow herding more than in Muntenia or Moldavia.
People of Transylvania had as very traditional to plant corn and raising pigs. Not all people in Transylvania had as traditional to raise cows, but there some areas where this is traditional. This cow raising was much more present in Transylvania than in Moldavia or Wallachia.
No idea if the Dacians raised pigs, but it seems they did not raised pigs too much.
 
I think both romanians and hungarians has a strong slavic ancestry. My personal evidences: At First:
I searched for all my 8 great-great-grandfathers direct paternal line male descendants, (and two other of my great-great-great grandfathers male descendants) and managed to identify their exact Y haplogroup.
I think, the results are interesting.
1.) E1b1b-V13-CTS9320-Y81971. family name: Küzmös, earliest known ancestor born: 1735 Penészlek, Szatmár county, religion: greek catholic, origin: unknown, maybe illyrian, thracian or dacian?.
2.) R1b-U106-DF98-S22069. f.n: Dobi, e.k.a: 1758 Balkány, Szabolcs, county. r: reformed protestant, o: germanic.
3.) R1b-U152-L2-Z49-S8172 f. n: Béres, e.k.a: 1831 Nyírbéltek, Szabolcs county, r: greek catholic, o: Hallstatt celtic
4.) I2a-L621-A1328 f.n: Tóth, e.k.a: 1809 Nyírbéltek, Szabolcs county, greek catholic o: proto-slavic, rusin
5.) R1a-M458-YP415 f.n: Kalenyák, e.k.a: 1813 Felsőszvidnik, Sáros county (today Slovakia) greek catholic, o: western slavic, polish
6.) R1a-L664-S2866 f.n: Simon, e.k.a: 1758 Rimaszombat, Gömör county (today: Slovakia) reformed, o: western germanic, maybe langobard
7.) I2a-L621-Y3118 f.n: Kiss, e.k.a: 1783 Penészlek, Szatmár county, greek catholic, proto-slavic, rusin
8.) I1-L22-FGC14412 f.n: Szilágyi e.k.a: 1795 Penészlek, Szatmár county, greek catholic, o: proto-germanic, scandinavian, varangian from Kiew Rus?
9.) R1a-CTS1211-Y33-YP1701 f.n: Petruska e.k.a: 1781 Nyíradony Szabolcs county, roman catholic o: eastern slavic, slovakian or rusin
10.) Q-L53-L330-YP1695 f.n: Csehely, e.k.a: 1798, Bánháza, Szabolcs county, greek catholic, o: Cuman or jasz, according to Maciamo: Hunnic from Inner Asian steppes.
So it means, I haven't finno-ugric, central asian turkish or scythian, other iranian ancestry of these 10 ancestors.
But I have
30% indigenous proto-european mesolithic hunter, (I1, I2).
10 % neolithic farmer (or mesolithic hunter?) from Africa (later the Mediterraneum, E1b1b); 50% Bronz Age invaders from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, Indo-europeans, (R1a, R1b)
10% Inner Asian (Hunnic?) invaders from the Mongolian steppes, (Q)

From another point of view:
40% slavic
30% germanic
10% celtic
10% illyrian/thracian/dacian
10% hunnic-inner asian.

At second:
I searched my closest relative families all of this, and my two I2a-L621 results, based on the YFULL, and FtDNA:

I2a-L621-S17250-A1328 known families: (TMRCA: 1400 ybp)
Sergeyev: Tula, Russia
Prudkyi: Harkov Ukraina
Rudy: Lipivci, Ukraina
Barbo: Talachin, Belarus
Vlarenic-Stachowski: Stochava, Belarus
Dzuba: Botajnica, Bosnia
Ciric: Maricka, Bosnia
Vranjesevic: Bosanski Petrovac, Bosnia
Wisniewski: Warsawa, Poland
Starasinic: Krasinec, Slovenia
Melnikov, Baskiria, Russia
Tóth: Nyírbéltek, Hungary

I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 known families (TMRCA 2200 ybp)
Vorobyev: Jaroslavl, Russia
Lepeshov: Sloboda, Russia
Karandin: Tver, Russia
Mayorov: Iskozy Belarus
Rogozin: Suhumnichi Russia
Guzev: Voronez, Russia
Akenfelds: Nikrace, Latvia
Leszcyszyn: Odrzechowa, Poland
Bogdanec: Mcensk, Russia
Led: Sagun, Russia
Yagovtsev: Krasnodar, Russia
Vlasov: ? Russia
Mazalov: Sovetskaya, Russia
Voronin: Moscow Russia
Sari: ?
Lavrov: ?
Chebotar: ?
Litowczak: Smerek, Poland
Dorogov: ?
Yurkovets: ?
Czerniechowski: Poland
Pererva: Kazatskoye, Ukraina
Borgelin: Terralampi Vihti, Finland
N.N: Viljandi, Estland
N.N. Ahtirsky, Ukraina
N.N: Iasi, Romania
N.N. Istanbul, Turkey.

According this, I think, both of my two I2a-L621 roots are clearly slavic. There are no west european or germanic results.

Greek-catholic - christian orthodox that switched their religion.
Greek-catholic - Either Dacian or Gothic or Slavic or Celtic or Varangian/Scandinavian people from the area.

Catholic - either West Germans, either Turkic people either West Slavs, either Hungarian people.

TMRCA 1400 ybp seems to have been moved with Slavic migration from 600 AD.
TMRCA 2200 ybp seems to either moved with Gothic or with Thracian/Dacian people.
I would say, with Gothic people.
For the simple reason that you have matches for this paternal line in Finland,Estonia and Latvia besides Slavic countries and Romania.
That looks very Gothic and would confirm the theory that Goths actually came from Scandinavia.

Hungarian people are not Huns, this is a confusion, they are Ugric people which migrated from westwards of Ural mountains and settled on current land of Hungary.
In that land of Hungary were settled defeated goths according to the history before the migration of Hungarians.
And is very likely that Dacian people were also living on the land of Hungary, when Goths were settled there.
Maybe also some Huns, but according to physical resemblance Hungarians are mostly Central Europeans with some Ugric influence.
Hungarians do not look as Central Asians.
Hungarians should have carried N paternal lines, R1A paternal lines for sure.Even I1.
Depending of the Ugric people, some have plenty of I1 like Sami people.
I have not checked for all Ugric people.
All Ugric people have clades of R1A.
 
Dear Mihaitzateo!

Yes I know, I have strong ortodox christian roots, but the greek catholics not switched their religion. Same liturgy, same article of faith as before. They only acknowledged the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church's majesty. And yes, maybe my direct paternal ancestors were dacians 2000 years ago.

But I think the I2a-Y3118 is same slavic like the I2a-A1328. Because the goths (gutans) arrived the coast of the Black Sea 1800 ybp. This bloodline scattered 400 years earlier. At this time the goths lived in their homeland in Scandinavia. If this two bloodlines were goths, why are not any scandinavian or germanic relative family? Or any italian, north spanish, south french, where the goths finally been assimilated? My R1a-CTS1211-Y33-YP1701 ancestor family has two italian and a spanish genetic relative family. Because they are the real descendant of the goths, but nobody says: R1a-CTS1211 is not a slavic branch. It is. Just some of them merged in the goths and leave the Pontic steppe with the goths. But neither Y3118 or A1328 I do not find families in the territories where the goths were assimilated. That is the reason, why I think I2a-L621 is not a gothic bloodline. Our ancestor lived under gothic rule, in the II-IV. century AD, but he was not gothic origin.

Of course the hungarians are not huns. The hungarian tribal alliance included finnugric, onogur, iranian, germanic and slavic people. This is the reason, why are they concluded blood-treaty with each other before they crossed the Carpathians. With the blood-treaty made them brothers. If they were real brothers, there would not be a need such contract. But among them lived real hunnic descendants, just like at today in Alsace, Yorkshire and Turkey lives hunnic descendant families. The Árpád dinasty were R1a-Z93 an indo-iranian (originally scythian?) family. But as I wrote, I can not find in my roots N, or R1a-Z93 ancestors. But I have a Q ancestor, and according to Maciamo, it was a hunnic haplogroup.
 
Well, no one says that Slavs existed 2200 ybp.
I am telling about this I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 that is possible to have been moved with Gothic migration.
I supposed that this Gothic migration lasted for some hundreds of years and was not taking place in just some years.
Like Goths moved Southward, slowly, assimilating and mixing with the people as they moved Southwards.
If I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 would have been moved with Dacians/Thracians migration, the question is, how it got up to Finland,Estonia and Latvia?
I see that you have ancestors in Finland that do not have a Slavic family name.
Borgelin, which is the match that you got in Finland, of I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 is actually a family name of Danish origins!
Just found out now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gustav_Borgelin
Which increases the chances that I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 was actually brought by Goths to Hungary.
@Kuzmosi
Many congratulations mate, it seems that you have just discovered a paternal that was spread by Goths with their migration!
Your I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 might interest those people from Universities of Denmark so they start to get into arguments with their Nordic neighbors and start to argue that Goths were rather Danes and not Swedes.
Could you kindly please send to important Universities from Denmark your findings about I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 and where it has matches?
A simple email in which you could tell them about this paternal line and about the fact that TMRCA of this paternal line is 2200 years ago.
And also, that you found a guy named Borgelin living in Finland having same paternal line.
 
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You just picked up the only germanic name from the list. Borgelin is really a german/scandinavian name, but all of the other name from the list (20) are slavic name. Except my Y3118 ancestors name: Kiss. It is a tipically hungarian name, but I don't say: the Y3118 would be a hungarian bloodline.

Otherwise the name does not matter. I stay with my own ancestors:
My name is Küzmös, the name is cuman (kipchak-turkish) but the Y chr show illyrian/thracian/dacian roots. EV13-Y81971
My Dobi ancestors family name is absolutely hungarian, but the Y chr (R1b-U106-S22069) tipically germanic.
My Béres ancestor's family name is hungarian too, but their Y chr (R1b-U152-S8172) is Hallstatt Celtic.
My Szilágyi ancestor's family name is hungarian, but the Y chr (I1-FGC14412) is scandinavian/varangian.
My Csehely ancestor's family name is slavic probably slovakian, but the Y chr (Q-YP1695) is Inner Asian, from the Kazah-Mongolian steppes.
Or the Kiss family. Hungarian name (I2a-Y3118) but I'm saying, it is slavic/rusin, and you say: it is gothic.

The family names are misleading, but the genes don't lie.
 
Well ok, all those persons from Russia bearing I2a-L621-Y4460-Y3106-Y3118 have Russian family names, but who tells they are not assimilated people that moved with the Goths in the lands of Russia?
Gothic migration reached Dacia/Romania around 250 AD and should have reached Russia much earlier.
Because the north of Russia is located near Baltic sea and near Scandinavia.
 
Dear Mihaitzateo!

Yes I know, I have strong ortodox christian roots, but the greek catholics not switched their religion. Same liturgy, same article of faith as before. They only acknowledged the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church's majesty. And yes, maybe my direct paternal ancestors were dacians 2000 years ago.

But I think the I2a-Y3118 is same slavic like the I2a-A1328. Because the goths (gutans) arrived the coast of the Black Sea 1800 ybp. This bloodline scattered 400 years earlier. At this time the goths lived in their homeland in Scandinavia. If this two bloodlines were goths, why are not any scandinavian or germanic relative family? Or any italian, north spanish, south french, where the goths finally been assimilated? My R1a-CTS1211-Y33-YP1701 ancestor family has two italian and a spanish genetic relative family. Because they are the real descendant of the goths, but nobody says: R1a-CTS1211 is not a slavic branch. It is. Just some of them merged in the goths and leave the Pontic steppe with the goths. But neither Y3118 or A1328 I do not find families in the territories where the goths were assimilated. That is the reason, why I think I2a-L621 is not a gothic bloodline. Our ancestor lived under gothic rule, in the II-IV. century AD, but he was not gothic origin.

Of course the hungarians are not huns. The hungarian tribal alliance included finnugric, onogur, iranian, germanic and slavic people. This is the reason, why are they concluded blood-treaty with each other before they crossed the Carpathians. With the blood-treaty made them brothers. If they were real brothers, there would not be a need such contract. But among them lived real hunnic descendants, just like at today in Alsace, Yorkshire and Turkey lives hunnic descendant families. The Árpád dinasty were R1a-Z93 an indo-iranian (originally scythian?) family. But as I wrote, I can not find in my roots N, or R1a-Z93 ancestors. But I have a Q ancestor, and according to Maciamo, it was a hunnic haplogroup.
There has been 0 confirmed Scythian R1a-Z93 samples so far.

The confirmed Scythian samples found have been R1b-L23.
 
Dear Mihaitzateo!

Do you read this?

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34389-I-CTS10228-Dinaric-subclades-and-distribution

At first: My first name: Imre, which is a hungarian version for the Emeric(us). And the Emerik is the later version of Amalrik. So I wear the name of one of the greatest gothic king.

But for me, more likely the dacian origin, like the goth. When the roman legions defeated the dacians, the northern and the eastern dacian areas were not occupied. There were "free dacians" here. I think amongh them were so many L621 bloodlines. Some of them became germanic (goth, rugi, scirii, herul, victoval or gepid) but those, who stayed north and east from the Carpathians later became the ancestors of the slavs.

So, the Y3118 is slavic, I still say. But earlier their ancestors were dacians, and later probably some of them with the goths traveled to the Balkans.

Dear Fatherland!

What is the scythian? They were lived a huge area, where tribes of different origins lived. So I think, the "scythian" is not a tribe, or a nation. Much more a culture, that linked the peoples of different origins. From Mongolia to Hungary lived "scythians" but they had very different DNA. As far as I know, the siberian scythians majority were R1a-Z93. (Pazirik)

A couple of months ago, I talked to a pastu translator., and he said for me: The pastus and the hungarians are brothers. Both of them are the descendants of the scythians. The pastus are believed to have their ancestors coming from the north. Thosends of years ago, when the pastures began to dry up, their ancestors moved south. But the other half of the people, moved west.

 
Dear Mihaitzateo!

Do you read this?

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34389-I-CTS10228-Dinaric-subclades-and-distribution

At first: My first name: Imre, which is a hungarian version for the Emeric(us). And the Emerik is the later version of Amalrik. So I wear the name of one of the greatest gothic king.

But for me, more likely the dacian origin, like the goth. When the roman legions defeated the dacians, the northern and the eastern dacian areas were not occupied. There were "free dacians" here. I think amongh them were so many L621 bloodlines. Some of them became germanic (goth, rugi, scirii, herul, victoval or gepid) but those, who stayed north and east from the Carpathians later became the ancestors of the slavs.

So, the Y3118 is slavic, I still say. But earlier their ancestors were dacians, and later probably some of them with the goths traveled to the Balkans.
Well I also think that a lot of Goths became later Slavs by assimilation.
But Hungarians are Magyars,which is a ugric ethnicity.
Later, because Hungarians and Austrians formed Habsburg empire, Hungarians became fully Central Europeans as ethnicity and same happened to the Czech people and Slovene people.
So if we talk about ethnicity, Hungarians are some kind of Central European people.
As the Czechs and Austrians and South Germans .
 
Not exactly. My National Geographic Genographic project Regional Ancestry results:

70% eastern europe
24% southern europe
3% jewish diaspora
2% Finland and Siberia

First reference population: romanian, second: polish

I sent a sample from my paternal grandfather's younger brother to the Genographic Project. (Of course he was EV13-Y81971, like me)The Regional Ancestry results:

68% Eastern europe
21% Great britain and Ireland
10% Asia Minor

First reference population: Russian, second Bulgarian.

Hungarian reference population not exist in the Genographic Project.

I sent another sample from my own DNA to the FamilyTreeDNA Family Finder. And the Ethnic makeup percentage results:

East Europe: 62%
West and Central Europe: 20 %
Southeast Europe 15%
Finland 2%
Oceania: 2%
Asia Minor 1%

So I am (and my family) overwhelming east european. And it is true for my narrower home, the Southern Nyírség too. The modern hungarians has a very complex and different origin. Not just by region but by village. This is the reason, why not exist hungarian reference population. I think, the longest, largest and strongest genetic effect is the slavic for all Hungary.
 
Just my amateur opinion: FT DNA ethnic makeup map for East Europe include Lithuania, Poland, W Belarous, W Ukraine, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova. That was pre-Slavic, pre-Scythian and pre-Germanic ancient homeland of baltic-dacian people. Thracians were other people with heavy Dacian influence. Dacian was satem language very similar to today Lithuanian and very different to italo-celtic. Slavs formed later in the middle of this dacian-baltic continuum with the germanic and scytian component. I2a must have come to east from somewhere in France (probable celtic) via South Poland. When this I2a-din ancestor reached Poland there were no slaves there. I2a I believe was already in Bastarnae, Goths, Dacians and others before slavic migration. This map is not accurate.
 
Just my amateur opinion: FT DNA ethnic makeup map for East Europe include Lithuania, Poland, W Belarous, W Ukraine, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova. That was pre-Slavic, pre-Scythian and pre-Germanic ancient homeland of baltic-dacian people. Thracians were other people with heavy Dacian influence. Dacian was satem language very similar to today Lithuanian and very different to italo-celtic. Slavs formed later in the middle of this dacian-baltic continuum with the germanic and scytian component. I2a must have come to east from somewhere in France (probable celtic) via South Poland. When this I2a-din ancestor reached Poland there were no slaves there. I2a I believe was already in Bastarnae, Goths, Dacians and others before slavic migration. This map is not accurate.
That is one of the common sense theories about the Dacian language, that it was resembling Lithuanian.
Glad to see someone noticed that thing.
As another common sense thing, most Russian ethnic males are having most of their paternal lines originating in the Baltic area or in Scandinavia.
Because is quite clear that N1C originated in Finland and in North Russia, most males are bearing N1C.
It is a nasty thing when politics starts to mess into history and genetics and modify the history and genetics according to our current days politics.....
Hard-core Swedes,Norwegians and Danes would not accept Finland as part of Scandinavia :) .
Another politic nonsense....
So if we are talking about Slavic Y DNA, maybe we should mention that R1A-Z280 originated into Baltic countries and together with N1C makes over 50% of the paternal lines of the Russian ethnic males.
 
Just my amateur opinion: FT DNA ethnic makeup map for East Europe include Lithuania, Poland, W Belarous, W Ukraine, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova. That was pre-Slavic, pre-Scythian and pre-Germanic ancient homeland of baltic-dacian people. Thracians were other people with heavy Dacian influence. Dacian was satem language very similar to today Lithuanian and very different to italo-celtic. Slavs formed later in the middle of this dacian-baltic continuum with the germanic and scytian component. I2a must have come to east from somewhere in France (probable celtic) via South Poland. When this I2a-din ancestor reached Poland there were no slaves there. I2a I believe was already in Bastarnae, Goths, Dacians and others before slavic migration. This map is not accurate.
Impossible. Look at the TMRCA of all the modern I2a-CTS10228 carriers, it spread from 1 single ancestor recently, all genetic evidence pointing from the Slavs.

All of these populations you mention carried none of it.

The same way I1 escaped from Central Europe in the Bronze Age, to Scandinavia, with 1 survivor breeding up there from 1100BC and spreading later.
Every single I1-carrier in the world descends from that survivor of 3100 years of TMRCA.
 
Impossible. Look at the TMRCA of all the modern I2a-CTS10228 carriers, it spread from 1 single ancestor recently, all genetic evidence pointing from the Slavs.

All of these populations you mention carried none of it.

The same way I1 escaped from Central Europe in the Bronze Age, to Scandinavia, with 1 survivor breeding up there from 1100BC and spreading later.
Every single I1-carrier in the world descends from that survivor of 3100 years of TMRCA.

I2a-CTS10228 is a single subclade, or has more subclades?
Because as I understand there are more subclades of this subclade:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/
So maybe some I2a-CTS10228 subclades are moved with the Slavic migration of 600 AD.
Maybe other I2a-CTS10228 subclades moved with other people that Slavs.
 
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10228/

I2aCTS10228 is not Slavic. Slavic is not an ethnic concept,it is a linguistic notion.

Maybe not originally. However, Most all I2a1b in the Balkans, including some Z280 and some M458 arrived with Sklavenoi. around 100-200AD the free Dacians that fled the romans north of the Danube, could be the base/core that contributed to the Proto-Slavic/Sklavenoi ethnogenesis that later invaded the Balkans.
 
Maybe not originally. However, Most all I2a1b in the Balkans, including some Z280 and some M458 arrived with Sklavenoi. around 100-200AD the free Dacians that fled the romans north of the Danube, could be the base/core that contributed to the Proto-Slavic/Sklavenoi ethnogenesis that later invaded the Balkans.

I have not seen any Slavic or Dacian aDNA yet.
 
I have not seen any Slavic or Dacian aDNA yet.

No Dacian yet. Its true. No M458 ADNA either. However I2a1b has been found in middle ages Slavic Samples, with most diversity occurring in Southern Poland. The basal I2a1b in Sweden is not the same as CTS10228 and its downstream clades. It is a common ancestor sure. Not the same though. CTS10228 has only been found in middle ages Slavic samples. Z280 was discovered all over the historical Baltic and Slavic zones as well, some of which date to the late bronze and Iron ages. Its not hard to find. A simple google search will answer your question. The below is the clade to which all I2a1b in South Slavs and most others in Northern Europe belong to. The Motala sample with basal I2a1b has not been found in any living people today. So if you clade is shared with Slavs, it probably came with Slavic Pirates into Scandinavia in the early middle ages.

Niemcza_13 (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621+, mtDNA J1c3e1

Location of Niemcza (to the west of Krosno):

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...nd-coming-soon&p=255823&viewfull=1#post255823

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Niemcza
 

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