Updated phylogenetic tree of E-V13

[Hawk]

On the YFull there is another man from Lecce with E-BY5026

I am thinking of the possibility that Oscans/Samnites might have carried some E-V13 with them. In case of Italy, i am not too sure about E-V13.

[kingjohn]

There will be new subclades of E-V13 from the island of Majorca, there are several families that are E-V13 from different subclades. It will be seen in YFull that they will be gradually included in the YFull YTree.

interesting this research found 5% 3/62 e-m78 in majorca
source:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...1/pdf/main.pdf


p.s
are there are also e-m81 cases in this island that you know
or only e-v13 ?

[Musashi]

On the YFull there is another man from Lecce with E-BY5026

Hi, I am the guy you are talking about! I am from Foggia, but the oldest direct male ancestor I have found, was born in Melendugno in 2nd half of 16th century.

[Xisco]

The E-Y33577 lineage continues to grow https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/E-FGC11457/

[Xisco]

Other Majorcan samples E-V13 https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/E-FTA55988/

[Xisco]

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[Xisco]

interesting this research found 5% 3/62 e-m78 in majorca
source:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...1/pdf/main.pdf


p.s
are there are also e-m81 cases in this island that you know
or only e-v13 ?

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[kingjohn]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...02929708005922

[Xisco]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...02929708005922

The article is from 2008, it is out of date. The E-V13 samples are current and more complete, not ambiguous.

[Xisco]

E-Y33577 is a lineage that has been confirmed since the fourteenth century on the island of Mallorca. We are investigating with documents and Y-DNA samples. It can be seen that the new sample remains in the sub-branch. It is not a Sephardic branch.

[kingjohn]

Yes they didn't anlayse beyond e3b1-m78
But still it shows 5% e-m78 in majorcan sample
if you go to the supplements
There are also haplotypes
Maybe you can see if they are e-v13 ( which is very likely)
If you put them in negven predictor
https://www.nevgen.org/
the haplotypes from this paper are only 19 y-str markers but still..

P.s
I looked in some e-m123 from this paper
In ibizia for example the 2 e-m123 cases are
e-m123(×m34) ( valerius are your reading this )
The e-m123 case from south portugal is according
To negven e-ft81636

[Xisco]

This is the coat of arms of the ancestor E-Y33577 Attachment 13048


It is not Sephardic subclade

[Xisco]

This is a Chueta (Sephardic Jew) subclade from Majorca E-FTA55988

There is a doctoral thesis from the University of the Balearic Islands on the chueta (Jews of Mallorca), there are three lineages that belong to E-M78. Do your research on them and they are E-V13 all of them.

[Xisco]

Both subclades E-V13 are confirmed from the project that I lead.

In the project that I lead, we only investigate E-V13 confirmed by SNP and with samples where its Hg Terminal can be confirmed with tests that have a BAM file at YFull. We are interested in the subclades as up-to-date as possible.

[Maxximo55#]

Hi Musashi, nice to met you. My oldest direct male ancestor I've found was born in Acquarica del Capo (today Presicce-Acquarica, after the fusion among two close municipalities) in 2nd half of 16th century, where I live yet. My surname is diffuse in Lower Salento (Barbarano, Castrignano del Capo, Giuliano di Lecce, Alessano, Salve, Presicce, Acquarica del Capo, Ruffano, Gemini, Ugento, Vitigliano), in Campania and in Toscana. Those with my surname from Lower Salento, by the exame of the historical documents, seem to have the same progenitor, but It's not sure. It would be necessary to perform the sample DNA test, at least, on the bearers of the same surname currently living in the municipalities where the oldest presence is attested.

[Musashi]

On the YFull there is another man from Lecce with E-BY5026

Hi Musashi, nice to met you. My oldest direct male ancestor I've found was born in Acquarica del Capo (today Presicce-Acquarica, after the fusion among two close municipalities) in 2nd half of 16th century, where I live yet. My surname is diffuse in Lower Salento (Barbarano, Castrignano del Capo, Giuliano di Lecce, Alessano, Salve, Presicce, Acquarica del Capo, Ruffano, Gemini, Ugento, Vitigliano), in Campania and in Toscana. Those with my surname from Lower Salento, by the exame of the historical documents, seem to have the same progenitor, but It's not sure. It would be necessary to perform the sample DNA test, at least, on the bearers of the same surname currently living in the municipalities where the oldest presence is attested.

My surname is actually quite common in Apulia and Campania. I'd like to know more about your origin, it may be connected with mine.
On yfull and Ftdna websites, there are other BY5026 carriers, one from Campania, some other people from Switzerland, and a guy from Ireland.
I fall into FT40236 subclade (only italian members) under BY5026. Probably, it is your subclade too.

[Maxximo55#]

My surname is actually quite common in Apulia and Campania. I'd like to know more about your origin, it may be connected with mine.
On yfull and Ftdna websites, there are other BY5026 carriers, one from Campania, some other people from Switzerland, and a guy from Ireland.
I fall into FT40236 subclade (only italian members) under BY5026. Probably, it is your subclade too.

in my YSeq test it did not go beyond BY5026

[Maxximo55#]

in my YSeq test it did not go beyond BY5026

This is the only report give me from YSeq:
E1b-V13 Panel
Z5017 G-
Z5018 G-
CTS5856 A+
V13 A+
Y16729 A-
S3003 C-
Z16663 T-
S7461 C+
Z40644 C-
BY5026 A+
Y84162 G-

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is E-BY5026

[Musashi]

On the YFull there is another man from Lecce with E-BY5026

This is the only report give me from YSeq:
E1b-V13 Panel
Z5017 G-
Z5018 G-
CTS5856 A+
V13 A+
Y16729 A-
S3003 C-
Z16663 T-
S7461 C+
Z40644 C-
BY5026 A+
Y84162 G-
Most specific position on the YFull YTree is E-BY5026

In the current version of Ytree there is no subclade under BY5026, but this is not true according to the current FTdna tree (whose database is actually larger than YFull one). On the YFull tree, I fall into BY5026 with no other specs, just like you.

[Salento]

This is the only report give me from YSeq:
E1b-V13 Panel
Z5017 G-
Z5018 G-
CTS5856 A+
V13 A+
Y16729 A-
S3003 C-
Z16663 T-
S7461 C+
Z40644 C-
BY5026 A+
Y84162 G-
Most specific position on the YFull YTree is E-BY5026

@Maxximo55 … Have you taken a DNA test with other companies besides Yseq ? … and do you know your mtDNA? … Forza Lecce :)

[Hairarmy]

I have updated and expanded the phylogenetic tree of haplogroup E-V13. I changed the layout to show when each clade developed in time so as to get a better idea of when the regional expansions happened.

Many branches of the tree are still missing. There are few Greek, Italian, French and Iberian samples tested for deep clades and hardly any West Asian ones at all except from the Gulf states.

Click on the tree to get to the page outside the forum and click once more to see it in full screen.

I suppose when I get a Match in S2979 the branch will grow. I have 4 Y700 matches in FTDNA but they have yet to load into YFULL. And don't respond to contact messages.

[Maxximo55#]

Hi Salento.
No. I tested Living DNA first, both my mother's brother and myself. My uncle is "R1b-U152" (monophyletic family-surname attested since 1530 only in Montesardo and Alessano, quoted by Tasselli in the book "Antichità di Leuca" of 1693. And from the parish registers it appears that all bearers of that surname are relatives), my mother "H" and me "E-V13". Afterwards I did YSeq. Not other tests. Same thing I would like to do for my maternal uncle.

[Salento]

Hi Salento.
No. I tested Living DNA first, both my mother's brother and myself. My uncle is "R1b-U152" (monophyletic family-surname attested since 1530 only in Montesardo and Alessano, quoted by Tasselli in the book "Antichit� di Leuca" of 1693. And from the parish registers it appears that all bearers of that surname are relatives), my mother "H" and me "E-V13". Afterwards I did YSeq. Not other tests. Same thing I would like to do for my maternal uncle.

Thanks Maxx, … the only place that my family is from that I am aware of is Lecce and a 5
Km radius…they will say that they have been there forever!

If you are interested in comparing, this site is packed with a variety of my results.

[Maxximo55#]

Thanks Maxx, … the only place that my family is from that I am aware of is Lecce and a 5
Km radius…they will say that they have been there forever!

If you are interested in comparing, this site is packed with a variety of my results.

Thanks Salento. I've already read many of your post on this site.

[Hairarmy]

Maciamo, not all E-Z38456 Albanians are under Y92017. We have tested a couple of Z38456 Albanians at YSEQ for Y92017 and they both came out negative. Y92017 seems to be a more recent mutation, and currently shared by the two samples coming from the same region (Mirdita, Albania). So IMO, your tree gives the wrong impression to the average viewer, implying that all Z38456 Albanians are under the more recent Y92017 subclade.

I am S2979>BY6125>BY6113>FT191655 per FTDNA and I have 4 Y700 matches there we are all American Via UK in the 1600's Goode Family. Working backwards I get the impression this branch may have assimilated with Celts and/or Goth moving North with Germanic people and eventually into England with the Anglo-Saxon. Of course this is a working theory like most of E-V13 mystery. I am listed on YFULL as S2979* waiting on matches. We are a new branch on the S2979 limb. Any thoughts??