Leo Achaicus
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Hello guys,
My name is Leo and I come from Patras, province of Achaea, North-West Peloponnesus. The Peloponnesus is the hand-shaped peninsula in S Greece home of the ancient city-states Patrae, Aegion, Corinthos, Mycynae, Sparta, Pylos and Argos and also home of the ancient Achaean Confederacy.
All my ancestors come from the Peloponnesus too (or so I thought), more specifically from Elea, Arcadia and Achaea.
I am very excited and I must say that my results were unexpected. I thought that perhaps I'd discover some exotic ancestry but this is not the case at all.
I am 99.2% European, 0.6% "Broadly West Asian and North African", and 0.2% "unassigned".
More specifically:
Balkan - Greece (exact wording): 86.2%
Italian: 9.4%
Broadly Southern European: 3.6%
West Asian & North African: 0.6%
Unassigned: 0.2%
Details:
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Sardinian, Iberian, British/Irish, Scandinavian, Finnish, Franco-German, Eastern European, Ashkenazi, Broadly NW European= 0% ZERO
Sub-Saharan African = 0% ZERO
South Asian = 0% ZERO
East Asian/Native American = 0% ZERO
Melanesian = 0% ZERO
"23nadme" discovered that I have one Italian ancestor, "who was 100% Italian", who was born "between 1760 and 1850". This is not much of a mystery, as my mother's grandfather was surnamed "Golfinopoulos" which is, of course, not a Greek surname. So I surmise that I have one "2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th Great-Grandparent who was 100% Italian" who was surnamed Golfino and he came to Greece probably as a volunteer to fight with the Greek revolutionaries during the Greek War of Independence (1821-1829).
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Italy offers a particularly important vantage point for understanding the force of philhellenism in nineteenth-century Europe. Tracing the contribution of Italians to the struggles for Greek independence from the war of 1820 - 21 to the war between Greece and Turkey in 1897, this article shows how Italian support for the philhellenist cause illustrates the internationalist context of Risorgimento nationalism. After Unification the philhellenist cause offered the opportunity to continue the tradition of volunteers enlisting to fight against tyranny and oppression abroad. This culminated in the volunteer expedition to fight with the Greeks against the Turks in 1897 led by Ricciotti Garibaldi - son of the hero of Italian Unification. But that expedition also marked the end of the nineteenth-century international volunteer movement. In Italy many socialists and nationalists were opposed to it, in part because it was seen as a diversion from political struggles that needed to be fought at home and in part because the project of the nation in arms was less and less realistic in the context of late nineteenth-century geopolitics. But at its height, the international volunteer movement - to which Italy made a major contribution - was an act of political idealism that drew on appeals to the unity of Greco-Latin civilization.
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In the summer of 1821, various young men from all Europe began to gather in the French port of Marseilles to book a passage to Greece and join the revolution.[83] The French philhellene Jean-François-Maxime Raybaud wrote when he heard of the revolution in March 1821, "I learnt with a thrill that Greece was shaking off her chains" and in July 1821 boarded a ship going to Greece.[83] Between the summer of 1821 and end of 1822, when the French started to inspect ships leaving Marseilles for philhellenes, some 360 volunteers travelled to Greece.[84] From the United States came the doctor Samuel Gridley Howe and the soldier George Jarvis to fight with the Greeks.[85] The largest contingents came from the German states, France and the Italian states.[84] In Nafplio, a monument to honor the philhellenes who died fighting in the war listed 274 names, of which 100 are from Germany, forty each from France and Italy, and the rest from Britain, Spain, Hungary, Sweden, Portugal and Denmark.[86]
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Note that I am Orthodox, not Catholic, which means that my Italian grandfather switched allegiance to the Greek Orthodox Church after settling in Greece, probably near Patras. There is a history of this happening with many Italians (Venetians, Genoans and others) who chose to settle in Greece.
If it wasn't for my Italian grandfather, I'd be presumably 99.2% Balkan-Greece.
According to 23andme, I have 410 "Balkan" relatives (who are 99% Greek or Western Euros/US citizens with one Greek parent) and 335 Italian relatives still living today. These two groups constitute the two biggest groups of my relatives.
I am especially proud I have 0% Slav in my DNA, as I have been listening to the BS written by Fallmerayer (or w/e this is spelt) since I was a kid and I am now 42, propagated by the freaking Greek Communists who tried to convince us (I think they call this brain-washing) that WE MUST BE SLAVS because the Greeks died out 2000 tears ago. So much BS. I am glad there's 23andme.
I hope you found this post interesting. Please ask away and I will reply.
All the best.
My name is Leo and I come from Patras, province of Achaea, North-West Peloponnesus. The Peloponnesus is the hand-shaped peninsula in S Greece home of the ancient city-states Patrae, Aegion, Corinthos, Mycynae, Sparta, Pylos and Argos and also home of the ancient Achaean Confederacy.
All my ancestors come from the Peloponnesus too (or so I thought), more specifically from Elea, Arcadia and Achaea.
I am very excited and I must say that my results were unexpected. I thought that perhaps I'd discover some exotic ancestry but this is not the case at all.
I am 99.2% European, 0.6% "Broadly West Asian and North African", and 0.2% "unassigned".
More specifically:
Balkan - Greece (exact wording): 86.2%
Italian: 9.4%
Broadly Southern European: 3.6%
West Asian & North African: 0.6%
Unassigned: 0.2%
Details:
=====
Sardinian, Iberian, British/Irish, Scandinavian, Finnish, Franco-German, Eastern European, Ashkenazi, Broadly NW European= 0% ZERO
Sub-Saharan African = 0% ZERO
South Asian = 0% ZERO
East Asian/Native American = 0% ZERO
Melanesian = 0% ZERO
"23nadme" discovered that I have one Italian ancestor, "who was 100% Italian", who was born "between 1760 and 1850". This is not much of a mystery, as my mother's grandfather was surnamed "Golfinopoulos" which is, of course, not a Greek surname. So I surmise that I have one "2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th Great-Grandparent who was 100% Italian" who was surnamed Golfino and he came to Greece probably as a volunteer to fight with the Greek revolutionaries during the Greek War of Independence (1821-1829).
QUOTE
Italy offers a particularly important vantage point for understanding the force of philhellenism in nineteenth-century Europe. Tracing the contribution of Italians to the struggles for Greek independence from the war of 1820 - 21 to the war between Greece and Turkey in 1897, this article shows how Italian support for the philhellenist cause illustrates the internationalist context of Risorgimento nationalism. After Unification the philhellenist cause offered the opportunity to continue the tradition of volunteers enlisting to fight against tyranny and oppression abroad. This culminated in the volunteer expedition to fight with the Greeks against the Turks in 1897 led by Ricciotti Garibaldi - son of the hero of Italian Unification. But that expedition also marked the end of the nineteenth-century international volunteer movement. In Italy many socialists and nationalists were opposed to it, in part because it was seen as a diversion from political struggles that needed to be fought at home and in part because the project of the nation in arms was less and less realistic in the context of late nineteenth-century geopolitics. But at its height, the international volunteer movement - to which Italy made a major contribution - was an act of political idealism that drew on appeals to the unity of Greco-Latin civilization.
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In the summer of 1821, various young men from all Europe began to gather in the French port of Marseilles to book a passage to Greece and join the revolution.[83] The French philhellene Jean-François-Maxime Raybaud wrote when he heard of the revolution in March 1821, "I learnt with a thrill that Greece was shaking off her chains" and in July 1821 boarded a ship going to Greece.[83] Between the summer of 1821 and end of 1822, when the French started to inspect ships leaving Marseilles for philhellenes, some 360 volunteers travelled to Greece.[84] From the United States came the doctor Samuel Gridley Howe and the soldier George Jarvis to fight with the Greeks.[85] The largest contingents came from the German states, France and the Italian states.[84] In Nafplio, a monument to honor the philhellenes who died fighting in the war listed 274 names, of which 100 are from Germany, forty each from France and Italy, and the rest from Britain, Spain, Hungary, Sweden, Portugal and Denmark.[86]
UNQUOTE
Note that I am Orthodox, not Catholic, which means that my Italian grandfather switched allegiance to the Greek Orthodox Church after settling in Greece, probably near Patras. There is a history of this happening with many Italians (Venetians, Genoans and others) who chose to settle in Greece.
If it wasn't for my Italian grandfather, I'd be presumably 99.2% Balkan-Greece.
According to 23andme, I have 410 "Balkan" relatives (who are 99% Greek or Western Euros/US citizens with one Greek parent) and 335 Italian relatives still living today. These two groups constitute the two biggest groups of my relatives.
I am especially proud I have 0% Slav in my DNA, as I have been listening to the BS written by Fallmerayer (or w/e this is spelt) since I was a kid and I am now 42, propagated by the freaking Greek Communists who tried to convince us (I think they call this brain-washing) that WE MUST BE SLAVS because the Greeks died out 2000 tears ago. So much BS. I am glad there's 23andme.
I hope you found this post interesting. Please ask away and I will reply.
All the best.
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