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    Eurogenes results based on LivingDNA

    North Atlantic : 15.80 pct
    Baltic: 19.08 pct
    West Med: 19.22 pct
    West Asian : 16.40 pct
    East Med: 26.76 pct
    Red Sea : 1.77pct
    East Asian : 1.21pcts
    Amerindian : 0.70 pct
    Oceanian : 0.06pct

    Anyone has any serious explanation for the < 1.5pct results? Theres no way any of my ancestors were east asian or amerindians.

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    Another Eurogenes calculator ( EUtest V2 K15 )
    produced these results:

    North Sea : 7.72pct
    Atlantic : 14.96pct
    Baltic : 11.45pct
    Eastern Euro : 9.26pct
    West Med :14.59pct
    West Asian : 16.57pct
    East Med: 22.65pct
    Red Sea : 1.96pct
    Southeast Asian : 0.65pct
    Amerindian : 0.19pct

    What the hell are these < 1 ??
    Noise?



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    Yes all right, you wish was noise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    Yes all right, you wish was noise!
    Beta manlet wishing to be a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leandros View Post
    Beta manlet wishing to be a man.

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    You are sending a lot of spam in this forum. I wander why the moderators are allowing you! Who cares what you think you are! Erase all you have send if you can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    You are sending a lot of spam in this forum. I wander why the moderators are allowing you! Who cares what you think you are! Erase all you have send if you can!
    A retard on top of a manlet, I see

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    [QUOTE=Leandros;542126]A retard on top of a manlet, I see

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    Listen you hard nose Gypsy! Be nice!

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    [QUOTE=Tutkun Arnaut;542129]
    Quote Originally Posted by Leandros View Post
    A retard on top of a manlet, I see

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    Listen you hard nose Gypsy! Be nice!
    Can some mod ban him please? He invades my threads and provokes



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    Leandros, several things to consider :

    -Gedmatch calculators use three times less snp's in the evaluation with LivingDNA RAW data . The results will differ .Here is an example(same tester):

    LivingDNA Raw Data:
    puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 36.43
    2 WHG 32.36
    3 CHG 25.58
    4 ASI 3.69
    5 Siberian 1.95

    Only 7535 SNPs used in this evaluation (!)


    ...and FTDNA Raw data:
    puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 38.01
    2 WHG 32.13
    3 CHG 26.67
    4 Siberian 1.65

    21959 SNPs used in this evaluation. ASI is absent.


    ...23andme Raw data:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 37.12
    2 WHG 31.34
    3 CHG 27.82
    4 Siberian 1.70
    5 ASI 1.37

    29364 SNPs used in this evaluation


    ...and AncestryRAW data:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ENF 38.11
    2 WHG 32.48
    3 CHG 25.88
    4 Siberian 1.64
    5 ASI 1.58

    23439 SNPs used in this evaluation

    -Have a closer look at the spreadsheets with the averages for every ethnic group . For example ASI in puntDNAL K10 Ancient - Iceland-1.5 ; Finnish-1.0 ; Irish-1.4 ; Armenian-4.50 etc.

    - Yes,LivingDNA would assign certain small Middle Eastern or Central Asian % here and there ...even to a Pole or a Brit .
    Check other testers' results in LivingDNA section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leandros View Post
    North Atlantic : 15.80 pct
    Baltic: 19.08 pct
    West Med: 19.22 pct
    West Asian : 16.40 pct
    East Med: 26.76 pct
    Red Sea : 1.77pct
    East Asian : 1.21pcts
    Amerindian : 0.70 pct
    Oceanian : 0.06pct

    Anyone has any serious explanation for the < 1.5pct results? Theres no way any of my ancestors were east asian or amerindians.

    Thanks

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    considering turkey has quite a lot of east asian it could very well be possible that some modern greeks have some too. maybe one of your grandparents came from turkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    considering turkey has quite a lot of east asian it could very well be possible that some modern greeks have some too. maybe one of your grandparents came from turkey?
    No ancestor of mine was a Turk. The hate between us was so severe that in a pregnancy occation there was a death penalty for both the mother and the child.

    I think the < 1.5 pct are ancient trails from prehistoric common ancestors. Like, some east asians or south asians have a tiny similarity with me, due to very ancient common ancestry or later greek expansions there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leandros View Post
    Another Eurogenes calculator ( EUtest V2 K15 )
    produced these results:

    North Sea : 7.72pct
    Atlantic : 14.96pct
    Baltic : 11.45pct
    Eastern Euro : 9.26pct
    West Med :14.59pct
    West Asian : 16.57pct
    East Med: 22.65pct
    Red Sea : 1.96pct
    Southeast Asian : 0.65pct
    Amerindian : 0.19pct

    What the hell are these < 1 ??
    Noise?



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    Definitely noise. According to professionals in this field, anything 2 percent or over is likely not noise. anything under 2 is likely noise, under one definitely noise.

    Try running some of your oracles, on the bottom of the results. It will give you single, and mixed population formulas where it matches you with samples in their database. It is important to remember also that if your ethnic group is not part of the sample, it will match you with groups closest. Also population mixtures whilst accurate in alot of cases are not always to be taken literally.

    For example Albanians are not included in K15, so I get Greek Thessaly as the closest.

    In mixed mode it models me as Greek Thessaly with Sardinian being closest. The algorithm will always find closest matches which is not always representative of history or the truth. However, for less mixed people its mostly correct. Generally a distance of 5 or less is pretty stable. The closer to 0, the closer to the population sample. So, even though I match Greek Thessaly closest on single, if they mix 82 Greek Thessaly and 18 of Sardinian, it comes closer to my DNA at a distance of 3.87. In calculators that have Albanian I usually score that or a mix of that with Tuscan and Greek. Theres a lot of overlap due to shared genetics.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 23.68
    2 East_Med 20.92
    3 North_Sea 13.76
    4 Atlantic 13.17
    5 West_Asian 11.34
    6 Baltic 9.34
    7 Eastern_Euro 6.71
    8 Red_Sea 1.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek_Thessaly 7.03
    2 Greek 8.33
    3 Tuscan 8.8
    4 Central_Greek 10.5
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.87
    6 West_Sicilian 11.36
    7 East_Sicilian 11.41
    8 North_Italian 11.72
    9 Bulgarian 12.1
    10 Ashkenazi 12.66
    11 South_Italian 12.81
    12 Romanian 13.77
    13 Serbian 16.2
    14 Italian_Jewish 16.86
    15 Algerian_Jewish 17.93
    16 Portuguese 18.57
    17 Sephardic_Jewish 18.66
    18 Spanish_Galicia 18.83
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.08
    20 Spanish_Andalucia 19.42

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 82.1% Greek_Thessaly + 17.9% Sardinian @ 3.87
    2 72.9% Greek_Thessaly + 27.1% North_Italian @ 5.94
    3 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.06

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Definitely noise. According to professionals in this field, anything 2 percent or over is likely not noise. anything under 2 is likely noise, under one definitely noise.

    Try running some of your oracles, on the bottom of the results. It will give you single, and mixed population formulas where it matches you with samples in their database. It is important to remember also that if your ethnic group is not part of the sample, it will match you with groups closest. Also population mixtures whilst accurate in alot of cases are not always to be taken literally.

    For example Albanians are not included in K15, so I get Greek Thessaly as the closest.

    In mixed mode it models me as Greek Thessaly with Sardinian being closest. The algorithm will always find closest matches which is not always representative of history or the truth. However, for less mixed people its mostly correct. Generally a distance of 5 or less is pretty stable. The closer to 0, the closer to the population sample. So, even though I match Greek Thessaly closest on single, if they mix 82 Greek Thessaly and 18 of Sardinian, it comes closer to my DNA at a distance of 3.87. In calculators that have Albanian I usually score that or a mix of that with Tuscan and Greek. Theres a lot of overlap due to shared genetics.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 23.68
    2 East_Med 20.92
    3 North_Sea 13.76
    4 Atlantic 13.17
    5 West_Asian 11.34
    6 Baltic 9.34
    7 Eastern_Euro 6.71
    8 Red_Sea 1.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek_Thessaly 7.03
    2 Greek 8.33
    3 Tuscan 8.8
    4 Central_Greek 10.5
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.87
    6 West_Sicilian 11.36
    7 East_Sicilian 11.41
    8 North_Italian 11.72
    9 Bulgarian 12.1
    10 Ashkenazi 12.66
    11 South_Italian 12.81
    12 Romanian 13.77
    13 Serbian 16.2
    14 Italian_Jewish 16.86
    15 Algerian_Jewish 17.93
    16 Portuguese 18.57
    17 Sephardic_Jewish 18.66
    18 Spanish_Galicia 18.83
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.08
    20 Spanish_Andalucia 19.42

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 82.1% Greek_Thessaly + 17.9% Sardinian @ 3.87
    2 72.9% Greek_Thessaly + 27.1% North_Italian @ 5.94
    3 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.06
    In every calculator that I run, theres some <1 pct that is either south asian or east asian or amerindian or oceanian.

    Its ******* with my mind....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Definitely noise. According to professionals in this field, anything 2 percent or over is likely not noise. anything under 2 is likely noise, under one definitely noise.

    Try running some of your oracles, on the bottom of the results. It will give you single, and mixed population formulas where it matches you with samples in their database. It is important to remember also that if your ethnic group is not part of the sample, it will match you with groups closest. Also population mixtures whilst accurate in alot of cases are not always to be taken literally.

    For example Albanians are not included in K15, so I get Greek Thessaly as the closest.

    In mixed mode it models me as Greek Thessaly with Sardinian being closest. The algorithm will always find closest matches which is not always representative of history or the truth. However, for less mixed people its mostly correct. Generally a distance of 5 or less is pretty stable. The closer to 0, the closer to the population sample. So, even though I match Greek Thessaly closest on single, if they mix 82 Greek Thessaly and 18 of Sardinian, it comes closer to my DNA at a distance of 3.87. In calculators that have Albanian I usually score that or a mix of that with Tuscan and Greek. Theres a lot of overlap due to shared genetics.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 23.68
    2 East_Med 20.92
    3 North_Sea 13.76
    4 Atlantic 13.17
    5 West_Asian 11.34
    6 Baltic 9.34
    7 Eastern_Euro 6.71
    8 Red_Sea 1.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek_Thessaly 7.03
    2 Greek 8.33
    3 Tuscan 8.8
    4 Central_Greek 10.5
    5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.87
    6 West_Sicilian 11.36
    7 East_Sicilian 11.41
    8 North_Italian 11.72
    9 Bulgarian 12.1
    10 Ashkenazi 12.66
    11 South_Italian 12.81
    12 Romanian 13.77
    13 Serbian 16.2
    14 Italian_Jewish 16.86
    15 Algerian_Jewish 17.93
    16 Portuguese 18.57
    17 Sephardic_Jewish 18.66
    18 Spanish_Galicia 18.83
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.08
    20 Spanish_Andalucia 19.42

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 82.1% Greek_Thessaly + 17.9% Sardinian @ 3.87
    2 72.9% Greek_Thessaly + 27.1% North_Italian @ 5.94
    3 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.06
    I did the Oracle thing as you said and got results like this

    What I understand is that what matters in these results are the >3 pct. Below that, using different calculators brings different results, while the higher results remain the same.PX6543070_EB4566.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leandros View Post
    I did the Oracle thing as you said and got results like this

    What I understand is that what matters in these results are the >3 pct. Below that, using different calculators brings different results, while the higher results remain the same.PX6543070_EB4566.gif

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    Under the chart there is an icon that says run oracle, run 4-way oracle. Click that to get results like the above. Anything 2 or less is usually noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Under the chart there is an icon that says run oracle, run 4-way oracle. Click that to get results like the above. Anything 2 or less is usually noise.
    Thanks!
    The closest distance populations were mainly N. Italians, Greek and some east Euro populations. Oh and Armenians by 40%.

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    My livingDNA results run through Eurogenes v2 K15:

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 21.22
    2 Atlantic 15.92
    3 Baltic 15.07
    4 West_Med 14.92
    5 West_Asian 13.41
    6 North_Sea 8.19
    7 Eastern_Euro 8.01
    8 Red_Sea 1.42
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.84
    10 South_Asian 0.58
    11 Oceanian 0.38
    12 Amerindian 0.03
    13 Northeast_African 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Greek 4.54
    2 Bulgarian 6.35
    3 Greek_Thessaly 8.31
    4 Romanian 9.61
    5 Central_Greek 10.83
    6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.15
    7 Ashkenazi 12.09
    8 East_Sicilian 12.1
    9 Tuscan 12.44
    10 West_Sicilian 12.45
    11 Serbian 13.65
    12 South_Italian 13.71
    13 North_Italian 15.95
    14 Moldavian 17.72
    15 Italian_Jewish 18.42
    16 Sephardic_Jewish 18.54
    17 Algerian_Jewish 19.05
    18 Croatian 19.26
    19 Austrian 19.65
    20 Hungarian 20.73

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    For comparison between AncestryDNA and LivingDNA:

    Population AncestryDNA LivingDNA
    North_Sea 6.81 8.19
    Atlantic 17.38 15.92
    Baltic 13.14 15.07
    Eastern_Euro 10.51 8.01
    West_Med 15.42 14.92
    West_Asian 14.56 13.41
    East_Med 19.46 21.22
    Red_Sea 1.02 1.42
    South_Asian 0.26 0.58
    Southeast_Asian 0.16 -
    Siberian - -
    Amerindian 0.08 -
    Oceanian 0.15 0.38
    Northeast_African 0.53 -
    Sub-Saharan 0.52 0.84

    The two results when run through Eurogenes K15 are pretty similar. But boy they are totally different on their websites. I guess completely different reference populations.
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