Eurogenes results based on LivingDNA

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North Atlantic : 15.80 pct
Baltic: 19.08 pct
West Med: 19.22 pct
West Asian : 16.40 pct
East Med: 26.76 pct
Red Sea : 1.77pct
East Asian : 1.21pcts
Amerindian : 0.70 pct
Oceanian : 0.06pct

Anyone has any serious explanation for the < 1.5pct results? Theres no way any of my ancestors were east asian or amerindians.

Thanks

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Another Eurogenes calculator ( EUtest V2 K15 )
produced these results:

North Sea : 7.72pct
Atlantic : 14.96pct
Baltic : 11.45pct
Eastern Euro : 9.26pct
West Med :14.59pct
West Asian : 16.57pct
East Med: 22.65pct
Red Sea : 1.96pct
Southeast Asian : 0.65pct
Amerindian : 0.19pct

What the hell are these < 1 ??
Noise?



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Beta manlet wishing to be a man.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

You are sending a lot of spam in this forum. I wander why the moderators are allowing you! Who cares what you think you are! Erase all you have send if you can!
 
You are sending a lot of spam in this forum. I wander why the moderators are allowing you! Who cares what you think you are! Erase all you have send if you can!
A retard on top of a manlet, I see

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
 
Leandros, several things to consider :

-Gedmatch calculators use three times less snp's in the evaluation with LivingDNA RAW data . The results will differ .Here is an example(same tester):

LivingDNA Raw Data:
puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 36.43
2 WHG 32.36
3 CHG 25.58
4 ASI 3.69
5 Siberian 1.95

Only 7535 SNPs used in this evaluation (!)


...and FTDNA Raw data:
puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 38.01
2 WHG 32.13
3 CHG 26.67
4 Siberian 1.65

21959 SNPs used in this evaluation. ASI is absent.


...23andme Raw data:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 37.12
2 WHG 31.34
3 CHG 27.82
4 Siberian 1.70
5 ASI 1.37

29364 SNPs used in this evaluation


...and AncestryRAW data:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 38.11
2 WHG 32.48
3 CHG 25.88
4 Siberian 1.64
5 ASI 1.58

23439 SNPs used in this evaluation

-Have a closer look at the spreadsheets with the averages for every ethnic group . For example ASI in puntDNAL K10 Ancient - Iceland-1.5 ; Finnish-1.0 ; Irish-1.4 ; Armenian-4.50 etc.

- Yes,LivingDNA would assign certain small Middle Eastern or Central Asian % here and there ...even to a Pole or a Brit .
Check other testers' results in LivingDNA section.
 
North Atlantic : 15.80 pct
Baltic: 19.08 pct
West Med: 19.22 pct
West Asian : 16.40 pct
East Med: 26.76 pct
Red Sea : 1.77pct
East Asian : 1.21pcts
Amerindian : 0.70 pct
Oceanian : 0.06pct

Anyone has any serious explanation for the < 1.5pct results? Theres no way any of my ancestors were east asian or amerindians.

Thanks

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considering turkey has quite a lot of east asian it could very well be possible that some modern greeks have some too. maybe one of your grandparents came from turkey?
 
considering turkey has quite a lot of east asian it could very well be possible that some modern greeks have some too. maybe one of your grandparents came from turkey?
No ancestor of mine was a Turk. The hate between us was so severe that in a pregnancy occation there was a death penalty for both the mother and the child.

I think the < 1.5 pct are ancient trails from prehistoric common ancestors. Like, some east asians or south asians have a tiny similarity with me, due to very ancient common ancestry or later greek expansions there.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
 
Another Eurogenes calculator ( EUtest V2 K15 )
produced these results:

North Sea : 7.72pct
Atlantic : 14.96pct
Baltic : 11.45pct
Eastern Euro : 9.26pct
West Med :14.59pct
West Asian : 16.57pct
East Med: 22.65pct
Red Sea : 1.96pct
Southeast Asian : 0.65pct
Amerindian : 0.19pct

What the hell are these < 1 ??
Noise?



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Definitely noise. According to professionals in this field, anything 2 percent or over is likely not noise. anything under 2 is likely noise, under one definitely noise.

Try running some of your oracles, on the bottom of the results. It will give you single, and mixed population formulas where it matches you with samples in their database. It is important to remember also that if your ethnic group is not part of the sample, it will match you with groups closest. Also population mixtures whilst accurate in alot of cases are not always to be taken literally.

For example Albanians are not included in K15, so I get Greek Thessaly as the closest.

In mixed mode it models me as Greek Thessaly with Sardinian being closest. The algorithm will always find closest matches which is not always representative of history or the truth. However, for less mixed people its mostly correct. Generally a distance of 5 or less is pretty stable. The closer to 0, the closer to the population sample. So, even though I match Greek Thessaly closest on single, if they mix 82 Greek Thessaly and 18 of Sardinian, it comes closer to my DNA at a distance of 3.87. In calculators that have Albanian I usually score that or a mix of that with Tuscan and Greek. Theres a lot of overlap due to shared genetics.

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_Med23.68
2East_Med20.92
3North_Sea13.76
4Atlantic13.17
5West_Asian11.34
6Baltic9.34
7Eastern_Euro6.71
8Red_Sea1.09

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Greek_Thessaly7.03
2Greek8.33
3Tuscan8.8
4Central_Greek10.5
5Italian_Abruzzo10.87
6West_Sicilian11.36
7East_Sicilian11.41
8North_Italian11.72
9Bulgarian12.1
10Ashkenazi12.66
11South_Italian12.81
12Romanian13.77
13Serbian16.2
14Italian_Jewish16.86
15Algerian_Jewish17.93
16Portuguese18.57
17Sephardic_Jewish18.66
18Spanish_Galicia18.83
19Spanish_Extremadura19.08
20Spanish_Andalucia19.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
182.1%Greek_Thessaly+17.9%Sardinian@3.87
272.9%Greek_Thessaly+27.1%North_Italian@5.94
383.8%Greek_Thessaly+16.2%Spanish_Andalucia@6.06


 
Definitely noise. According to professionals in this field, anything 2 percent or over is likely not noise. anything under 2 is likely noise, under one definitely noise.

Try running some of your oracles, on the bottom of the results. It will give you single, and mixed population formulas where it matches you with samples in their database. It is important to remember also that if your ethnic group is not part of the sample, it will match you with groups closest. Also population mixtures whilst accurate in alot of cases are not always to be taken literally.

For example Albanians are not included in K15, so I get Greek Thessaly as the closest.

In mixed mode it models me as Greek Thessaly with Sardinian being closest. The algorithm will always find closest matches which is not always representative of history or the truth. However, for less mixed people its mostly correct. Generally a distance of 5 or less is pretty stable. The closer to 0, the closer to the population sample. So, even though I match Greek Thessaly closest on single, if they mix 82 Greek Thessaly and 18 of Sardinian, it comes closer to my DNA at a distance of 3.87. In calculators that have Albanian I usually score that or a mix of that with Tuscan and Greek. Theres a lot of overlap due to shared genetics.

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_Med23.68
2East_Med20.92
3North_Sea13.76
4Atlantic13.17
5West_Asian11.34
6Baltic9.34
7Eastern_Euro6.71
8Red_Sea1.09

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Greek_Thessaly7.03
2Greek8.33
3Tuscan8.8
4Central_Greek10.5
5Italian_Abruzzo10.87
6West_Sicilian11.36
7East_Sicilian11.41
8North_Italian11.72
9Bulgarian12.1
10Ashkenazi12.66
11South_Italian12.81
12Romanian13.77
13Serbian16.2
14Italian_Jewish16.86
15Algerian_Jewish17.93
16Portuguese18.57
17Sephardic_Jewish18.66
18Spanish_Galicia18.83
19Spanish_Extremadura19.08
20Spanish_Andalucia19.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
182.1%Greek_Thessaly+17.9%Sardinian@3.87
272.9%Greek_Thessaly+27.1%North_Italian@5.94
383.8%Greek_Thessaly+16.2%Spanish_Andalucia@6.06


In every calculator that I run, theres some <1 pct that is either south asian or east asian or amerindian or oceanian.

Its ******* with my mind....

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
 
Definitely noise. According to professionals in this field, anything 2 percent or over is likely not noise. anything under 2 is likely noise, under one definitely noise.

Try running some of your oracles, on the bottom of the results. It will give you single, and mixed population formulas where it matches you with samples in their database. It is important to remember also that if your ethnic group is not part of the sample, it will match you with groups closest. Also population mixtures whilst accurate in alot of cases are not always to be taken literally.

For example Albanians are not included in K15, so I get Greek Thessaly as the closest.

In mixed mode it models me as Greek Thessaly with Sardinian being closest. The algorithm will always find closest matches which is not always representative of history or the truth. However, for less mixed people its mostly correct. Generally a distance of 5 or less is pretty stable. The closer to 0, the closer to the population sample. So, even though I match Greek Thessaly closest on single, if they mix 82 Greek Thessaly and 18 of Sardinian, it comes closer to my DNA at a distance of 3.87. In calculators that have Albanian I usually score that or a mix of that with Tuscan and Greek. Theres a lot of overlap due to shared genetics.

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_Med23.68
2East_Med20.92
3North_Sea13.76
4Atlantic13.17
5West_Asian11.34
6Baltic9.34
7Eastern_Euro6.71
8Red_Sea1.09

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Greek_Thessaly7.03
2Greek8.33
3Tuscan8.8
4Central_Greek10.5
5Italian_Abruzzo10.87
6West_Sicilian11.36
7East_Sicilian11.41
8North_Italian11.72
9Bulgarian12.1
10Ashkenazi12.66
11South_Italian12.81
12Romanian13.77
13Serbian16.2
14Italian_Jewish16.86
15Algerian_Jewish17.93
16Portuguese18.57
17Sephardic_Jewish18.66
18Spanish_Galicia18.83
19Spanish_Extremadura19.08
20Spanish_Andalucia19.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
182.1%Greek_Thessaly+17.9%Sardinian@3.87
272.9%Greek_Thessaly+27.1%North_Italian@5.94
383.8%Greek_Thessaly+16.2%Spanish_Andalucia@6.06


I did the Oracle thing as you said and got results like this

What I understand is that what matters in these results are the >3 pct. Below that, using different calculators brings different results, while the higher results remain the same. PX6543070_EB4566.gif

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
 
I did the Oracle thing as you said and got results like this

What I understand is that what matters in these results are the >3 pct. Below that, using different calculators brings different results, while the higher results remain the same.View attachment 10127

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a


Under the chart there is an icon that says run oracle, run 4-way oracle. Click that to get results like the above. Anything 2 or less is usually noise.
 
Under the chart there is an icon that says run oracle, run 4-way oracle. Click that to get results like the above. Anything 2 or less is usually noise.
Thanks!
The closest distance populations were mainly N. Italians, Greek and some east Euro populations. Oh and Armenians by 40%.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
 
My livingDNA results run through Eurogenes v2 K15:

#PopulationPercent
1East_Med21.22
2Atlantic15.92
3Baltic15.07
4West_Med14.92
5West_Asian13.41
6North_Sea8.19
7Eastern_Euro8.01
8Red_Sea1.42
9Sub-Saharan0.84
10South_Asian0.58
11Oceanian0.38
12Amerindian0.03
13Northeast_African0.02

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Greek4.54
2Bulgarian6.35
3Greek_Thessaly8.31
4Romanian9.61
5Central_Greek10.83
6Italian_Abruzzo11.15
7Ashkenazi12.09
8East_Sicilian12.1
9Tuscan12.44
10West_Sicilian12.45
11Serbian13.65
12South_Italian13.71
13North_Italian15.95
14Moldavian17.72
15Italian_Jewish18.42
16Sephardic_Jewish18.54
17Algerian_Jewish19.05
18Croatian19.26
19Austrian19.65
20Hungarian20.73

 
For comparison between AncestryDNA and LivingDNA:

PopulationAncestryDNA LivingDNA
North_Sea6.818.19
Atlantic17.3815.92
Baltic13.1415.07
Eastern_Euro10.518.01
West_Med15.4214.92
West_Asian14.5613.41
East_Med19.4621.22
Red_Sea1.021.42
South_Asian0.260.58
Southeast_Asian0.16-
Siberian--
Amerindian0.08-
Oceanian0.150.38
Northeast_African0.53-
Sub-Saharan0.520.84

The two results when run through Eurogenes K15 are pretty similar. But boy they are totally different on their websites. I guess completely different reference populations.
 
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The closest distance populations were mainly N. Italians, Greek and some east Euro populations. Oh and Armenians by 40%.
 

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