The curious case of Albanian coincidences

What are you on about? They are Illyrian coins and weaponry as they were used by Illyrians and they depict Illyrians.
how do you know that ...............they are stated macedonians
we know from historical accounts that macedonians and illyrians hated each other and the alexander the great and previously his father fought many wars against the illyrians .
Illyrians do not appear in any of alexanders armies, either in greece of against persia.
.
The Macedonians would have fought against the
The Autariatae or Autariates (Ancient Greek: Αὐταριάται) were an ancient people that eventually became the most powerful Illyrian tribe.[1] Their territory was called[2] (Ancient Greek: Αὐταριατῶν χώρα). The tribe had been Celticized[3] late in their history.
The Autariatae communities unified into a single political entity during the late 6th century BC[citation needed]. They began to expand eastward into territories controlled by the Triballi. Moreover, they expanded southward where they defeated the Ardiaei, their old rivals,[5] in struggles for control over pastures and salty springs.[6] Activities of the Autariatae at the turn of the 6th and 5th centuries BC profoundly influenced the peoples who were directly affected by their expansion. The Ardiaei were moved toward the coasts and the Triballi to the east. The expansion of the Autariatae enabled them to achieve hegemonic control over one part of the interior of the Balkan Peninsula. The leading class of the Autariatae society reached the peak of its political and economic development indicated through many great luxurious royal tumuli and graves created during the 5th century BC. Strabo’s comment on the Autariatae as "the once greatest and most powerful Illyrian people" most likely refers to this period. Their peak of development was followed by the gradual decline of the Autariatae ending in 310 BC with their sudden disappearance[7] due to Celtic migrations.[8]
Appian (95 – 165) writes that the Ardiaei were destroyed[9] by the Autariatae and that in contrast to the Autariatae had maritime power. The ancient geographer, Strabo, lists the Autariatae as one of the three strongest tribes - the other two being the Ardiaei and the Dardanii.
The Autariatae and the Celtic Scordisci are thought to have merged into one tribe in the Lower Morava valley, after 313 BC, since excavations show that the two groups made burials at the same exact grave field in Pecine, near Kostolac.[10] Nine graves of Autariatae dating to 4th century BC and scattered Autariatae and Celtic graves around these earlier graves show that the two groups mixed rather than made war[11] and this resulted in the lower Morava valley becoming a Celto-Thraco-Illyrian interaction zone.[12]

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The Ardiaei (Ancient Greek: Ἀρδιαῖοι or Οὐαρδαῖοι, Ouardiaei; Latin: Vardiaei)[1] were an Illyrian tribe, residing inland,[2] that eventually settled[3] on the Adriatic coast of the Balkan Peninsula with Scodra as the capital. Polybius (203 BC–120 BC) writes that they were subdued[4] by the Romans at events that occurred at 229 BC. Appian (95–165) writes that they were destroyed[5] by the Autariatae and that in contrast to the Autariatae had maritime power. In the Epitome of Livy they are said to have been subdued[6] by the consul Fulvius Flaccus.
They were located in present-day Montenegro,[7] most likely around the gulf of Rhizon,[8] although Strabo places them in the right bank of the Neretva.[9] Their initial inland residence was located along the Naro River up to the Konjic region,[2] in present-day Bosnia and Herzegovina.

these 3 tribes would be placed on modern maps as
Autariatae = Bosnia
Ardiaei = Montenegro
Dardanii = Kosovo
 
how do you know that ...............they are stated macedonians
we know from historical accounts that macedonians and illyrians hated each other and the alexander the great and previously his father fought many wars against the illyrians .
Illyrians do not appear in any of alexanders armies, either in greece of against persia.
.
The Macedonians would have fought against the
The Autariatae or Autariates (Ancient Greek: Αὐταριάται) were an ancient people that eventually became the most powerful Illyrian tribe.[1] Their territory was called[2] (Ancient Greek: Αὐταριατῶν χώρα). The tribe had been Celticized[3] late in their history.
The Autariatae communities unified into a single political entity during the late 6th century BC[citation needed]. They began to expand eastward into territories controlled by the Triballi. Moreover, they expanded southward where they defeated the Ardiaei, their old rivals,[5] in struggles for control over pastures and salty springs.[6] Activities of the Autariatae at the turn of the 6th and 5th centuries BC profoundly influenced the peoples who were directly affected by their expansion. The Ardiaei were moved toward the coasts and the Triballi to the east. The expansion of the Autariatae enabled them to achieve hegemonic control over one part of the interior of the Balkan Peninsula. The leading class of the Autariatae society reached the peak of its political and economic development indicated through many great luxurious royal tumuli and graves created during the 5th century BC. Strabo’s comment on the Autariatae as "the once greatest and most powerful Illyrian people" most likely refers to this period. Their peak of development was followed by the gradual decline of the Autariatae ending in 310 BC with their sudden disappearance[7] due to Celtic migrations.[8]
Appian (95 – 165) writes that the Ardiaei were destroyed[9] by the Autariatae and that in contrast to the Autariatae had maritime power. The ancient geographer, Strabo, lists the Autariatae as one of the three strongest tribes - the other two being the Ardiaei and the Dardanii.
The Autariatae and the Celtic Scordisci are thought to have merged into one tribe in the Lower Morava valley, after 313 BC, since excavations show that the two groups made burials at the same exact grave field in Pecine, near Kostolac.[10] Nine graves of Autariatae dating to 4th century BC and scattered Autariatae and Celtic graves around these earlier graves show that the two groups mixed rather than made war[11] and this resulted in the lower Morava valley becoming a Celto-Thraco-Illyrian interaction zone.[12]

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The Ardiaei (Ancient Greek: Ἀρδιαῖοι or Οὐαρδαῖοι, Ouardiaei; Latin: Vardiaei)[1] were an Illyrian tribe, residing inland,[2] that eventually settled[3] on the Adriatic coast of the Balkan Peninsula with Scodra as the capital. Polybius (203 BC–120 BC) writes that they were subdued[4] by the Romans at events that occurred at 229 BC. Appian (95–165) writes that they were destroyed[5] by the Autariatae and that in contrast to the Autariatae had maritime power. In the Epitome of Livy they are said to have been subdued[6] by the consul Fulvius Flaccus.
They were located in present-day Montenegro,[7] most likely around the gulf of Rhizon,[8] although Strabo places them in the right bank of the Neretva.[9] Their initial inland residence was located along the Naro River up to the Konjic region,[2] in present-day Bosnia and Herzegovina.

these 3 tribes would be placed on modern maps as
Autariatae = Bosnia
Ardiaei = Montenegro
Dardanii = Kosovo

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how do you know that ...............they are stated macedonians
we know from historical accounts that macedonians and illyrians hated each other and the alexander the great and previously his father fought many wars against the illyrians .
Illyrians do not appear in any of alexanders armies, either in greece of against persia.

Firstly, the coin of the Illyrian King Ballaios is obviously not makedonian, this is self evident. And the Lychnidion coin is described as Illyrian in the website, not by me.

Same with the Illyrian belt buckles that have the almost exact same shield motifs as makedonian coins, they were found in Illyrian territories very far away from any established makedonians.



Secondly:

Riding to the front line he (Alexander the Great) named the soldiers and they responded from spot to spot where they were lined up. The Macedonians, who had won so many battles in Europe and set off to invade Asia ... got encouragement from him - he reminded them of their permanent values. They were the world's liberators and one day they would pass the frontiers set by Hercules and Father Liber. They would subdue all races on Earth. Bactria and India would become Macedonian provinces. Getting closer to the Greeks, he reminded them that those were the people (the Persians on the other side) who provoked war with Greece, ... those were the people that burned their temples and cities ... As the Illyrians and Thracians lived mainly from plunder, he told them to look at the enemy line glittering in gold ..." (Q. Curtius Rufus 3.10.4-10)

Even Hammond says:

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[FONT=&quot] He left Glaucias on the throne (Glaucias had dealings later with Cassander and he adopted Pyrrhus; see [/FONT]BSA[FONT=&quot] LXI (1966) 246), and Illyrian soldiers fought under Alexander's command in Asia."

Link: [/FONT]
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-hellenic-studies/article/alexanders-campaign-in-illyria/400BDC6872BE8F8BFD485AA4FB4F34CF
 
Very interesting Johane. What atired my atention was the other side of the coin. In the centre of the coin you can see the swastika, a symbol used by Illyrians and continued to be used by Albanians until XX century. Here you have some tatoo with swastika registred in Kelmendi, Thethi, etc in North Albania during ethnographic expeditions in year 1975:
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But swastika was also used as a decoration in South Albania, for example in Kanina, Vlore engraved in stone in the angle of the tower together with snake another symbol used by Illyrians.
Another element that attracts my attention are the decorations around the coin that look like half moon with the star, another symbol used in different cultures but also by Illyrians which continued to be used also among the Albanians until the twentieth century.

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A Cham Albanian, Jaho Gjoliku commander of the IV anti-fascist Group “Çamëria”:
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Albanian women from Gruda, North Albania:
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I thought Jaho Gjoliku was from Kuc, Vlore.


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how do you know that ...............they are stated macedonians
we know from historical accounts that macedonians and illyrians hated each other and the alexander the great and previously his father fought many wars against the illyrians .
Illyrians do not appear in any of alexanders armies, either in greece of against persia.
.
The Macedonians would have fought against the
The Autariatae or Autariates (Ancient Greek: Αὐταριάται) were an ancient people that eventually became the most powerful Illyrian tribe.[1] Their territory was called[2] (Ancient Greek: Αὐταριατῶν χώρα). The tribe had been Celticized[3] late in their history.
The Autariatae communities unified into a single political entity during the late 6th century BC[citation needed]. They began to expand eastward into territories controlled by the Triballi. Moreover, they expanded southward where they defeated the Ardiaei, their old rivals,[5] in struggles for control over pastures and salty springs.[6] Activities of the Autariatae at the turn of the 6th and 5th centuries BC profoundly influenced the peoples who were directly affected by their expansion. The Ardiaei were moved toward the coasts and the Triballi to the east. The expansion of the Autariatae enabled them to achieve hegemonic control over one part of the interior of the Balkan Peninsula. The leading class of the Autariatae society reached the peak of its political and economic development indicated through many great luxurious royal tumuli and graves created during the 5th century BC. Strabo’s comment on the Autariatae as "the once greatest and most powerful Illyrian people" most likely refers to this period. Their peak of development was followed by the gradual decline of the Autariatae ending in 310 BC with their sudden disappearance[7] due to Celtic migrations.[8]
Appian (95 – 165) writes that the Ardiaei were destroyed[9] by the Autariatae and that in contrast to the Autariatae had maritime power. The ancient geographer, Strabo, lists the Autariatae as one of the three strongest tribes - the other two being the Ardiaei and the Dardanii.
The Autariatae and the Celtic Scordisci are thought to have merged into one tribe in the Lower Morava valley, after 313 BC, since excavations show that the two groups made burials at the same exact grave field in Pecine, near Kostolac.[10] Nine graves of Autariatae dating to 4th century BC and scattered Autariatae and Celtic graves around these earlier graves show that the two groups mixed rather than made war[11] and this resulted in the lower Morava valley becoming a Celto-Thraco-Illyrian interaction zone.[12]

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The Ardiaei (Ancient Greek: Ἀρδιαῖοι or Οὐαρδαῖοι, Ouardiaei; Latin: Vardiaei)[1] were an Illyrian tribe, residing inland,[2] that eventually settled[3] on the Adriatic coast of the Balkan Peninsula with Scodra as the capital. Polybius (203 BC–120 BC) writes that they were subdued[4] by the Romans at events that occurred at 229 BC. Appian (95–165) writes that they were destroyed[5] by the Autariatae and that in contrast to the Autariatae had maritime power. In the Epitome of Livy they are said to have been subdued[6] by the consul Fulvius Flaccus.
They were located in present-day Montenegro,[7] most likely around the gulf of Rhizon,[8] although Strabo places them in the right bank of the Neretva.[9] Their initial inland residence was located along the Naro River up to the Konjic region,[2] in present-day Bosnia and Herzegovina.

these 3 tribes would be placed on modern maps as
Autariatae = Bosnia
Ardiaei = Montenegro
Dardanii = Kosovo
The ones posted are mainly Illyrian. The Ardiaei also were in north Albania, their capital was Shkodra
 
Firstly, the coin of the Illyrian King Ballaios is obviously not makedonian, this is self evident. And the Lychnidion coin is described as Illyrian in the website, not by me.

Same with the Illyrian belt buckles that have the almost exact same shield motifs as makedonian coins, they were found in Illyrian territories very far away from any established makedonians.



Secondly:

Riding to the front line he (Alexander the Great) named the soldiers and they responded from spot to spot where they were lined up. The Macedonians, who had won so many battles in Europe and set off to invade Asia ... got encouragement from him - he reminded them of their permanent values. They were the world's liberators and one day they would pass the frontiers set by Hercules and Father Liber. They would subdue all races on Earth. Bactria and India would become Macedonian provinces. Getting closer to the Greeks, he reminded them that those were the people (the Persians on the other side) who provoked war with Greece, ... those were the people that burned their temples and cities ... As the Illyrians and Thracians lived mainly from plunder, he told them to look at the enemy line glittering in gold ..." (Q. Curtius Rufus 3.10.4-10)

Even Hammond says:

"
37
He left Glaucias on the throne (Glaucias had dealings later with Cassander and he adopted Pyrrhus; see BSA LXI (1966) 246), and Illyrian soldiers fought under Alexander's command in Asia."

Link:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-hellenic-studies/article/alexanders-campaign-in-illyria/400BDC6872BE8F8BFD485AA4FB4F34CF


@ Derite for you,

King Ballaios !!!!
These two drachms (see CNR XXVII, June 2002, lot 30) are apparently issues of the Illyrian King Ballaios. Save for his coinage, there are no other references in the historical record of this king.


The coins are from Pharos
a Greek colony
DEMETRIOS OF ILLYRIAN WARS WAS PHAROS
MODERN HVAR CROATIA

besides


The appearance of a Macedonian shield on the obverse also gives credence to our attribution. During the reigns of Philip V and Perseus, autonomous cities affiliated with Macedon produced silver fractions that used a Macedonian shield on the obverse. During the Third Macedonian War, the Illyrian King Genthius was allied with Macedon, and Perseus struck silver issues at Pella for him. See Crawford, Coinage and Money under the Roman Republic, pg. 221, citing Livy xliv, 27, 8-12. It is therefore possible that Perseus minted these coins for Ballaios. It is also possible that the shield is not intended to be Macedonian per se, but rather a simple shield type reflecting a wartime coinage. Preparations for the Third Macedonian War could easily have extended into the last years of Ballaios' reign.

THE COIN IS 200 years after the simmilar MAKEDONIAN ONES

plz read the narrow letters above

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Another Coin From Pharos
Typical Makedonian ones
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Z




THANK YOU DERITE,
I found you a very well academic thinking person,
no matter the arques we may had.



BTW

DOES ANYONE KNOWS WHAT IS MEANING OF THE BOW?
AND TO WHICH GODDESS IS DEDICATED?



as for Illyrians at the Big Makedonian campaign,

well I know that 3 tribes follow
not as much as someone would expect,

I do not want to analyze it more

Yes there were some Illyrians with Alexander
The ones who were few decade of years before with Phillip the Makedon
at a very strong battle,
Z
 
@ Derite for you,

King Ballaios !!!!
These two drachms (see CNR XXVII, June 2002, lot 30) are apparently issues of the Illyrian King Ballaios. Save for his coinage, there are no other references in the historical record of this king.


The coins are from Pharos
a Greek colony
DEMETRIOS OF ILLYRIAN WARS WAS PHAROS
MODERN HVAR CROATIA

besides


The appearance of a Macedonian shield on the obverse also gives credence to our attribution. During the reigns of Philip V and Perseus, autonomous cities affiliated with Macedon produced silver fractions that used a Macedonian shield on the obverse. During the Third Macedonian War, the Illyrian King Genthius was allied with Macedon, and Perseus struck silver issues at Pella for him. See Crawford, Coinage and Money under the Roman Republic, pg. 221, citing Livy xliv, 27, 8-12. It is therefore possible that Perseus minted these coins for Ballaios. It is also possible that the shield is not intended to be Macedonian per se, but rather a simple shield type reflecting a wartime coinage. Preparations for the Third Macedonian War could easily have extended into the last years of Ballaios' reign.

THE COIN IS 200 years after the simmilar MAKEDONIAN ONES

plz read the narrow letters above

731649.jpg



Another Coin From Pharos
Typical Makedonian ones
images


Z




THANK YOU DERITE,
I found you a very well academic thinking person,
no matter the arques we may had.



BTW

DOES ANYONE KNOWS WHAT IS MEANING OF THE BOW?
AND TO WHICH GODDESS IS DEDICATED?


Z

Yes the illyrian king seems to have preserved it that is correct. Why?

And what about the Illyrian belt buckles from Bosnia and Croatia, why are they so similar?
 
Yes the illyrian king seems to have preserved it that is correct. Why?

And what about the Illyrian belt buckles from Bosnia and Croatia, why are they so similar?

oh boy I read the story of Demetrios,
the man made marriages to gain strength and stabilization
and when got that, he looted everyone, specially Romans.
he passed from every royal court,
and every Illyrian tribe, and Greek colony, and Roman city.


Sorry I do not know about belts,
at least yet.
 
BTW

someone asked few weeks before if Makedonians were under Illyrian ocupation, the correct is Dardanian occupation since Greek Illyria (Illyria proprie dicti) is West of Dardania

the answer is towards Yes, Dardanian occupation
I ask a friend who is archaiologist, and works at an excavation,
He told me King Bardyllis won Father of Phillip,
but did not occupy Makedonia, not ever a year,
yet he looted and continue raid for tenths of years,
It was better for him Makedonian Nobility to fight each other,
so not to raise a strong army
and he as strong raid and ally whenever he liked,
Finally he manage to an annual tribute.

But Phillip grew enough
 
Ok, i'm going to throw the ball far here, but here goes:


Priam, King of Troy is a Dardanian and of the House of Dardanus according to Homer.


Illyrius had six sons and three daughters whose names were associated with specific tribes:


Sons


Encheleus (Εγχελέα) of the Enchelaeae
Autarieus (Αυταριέα) of the Autariates
Dardanus (Δάρδανον) of the Dardani
Maedus (Μαίδον)
Taulas (Ταυλαντά) of the Taulantii
Perrhaebus (Περραιβόν) of the Perrhaebi


Daughters


Partho (Πάρθω) of the Partheni
Daortho (Δαορθώ) of the Daors
Dassaro (Δασσαρώ) of the Dassaretae






Neighbouring nationalists try push that its just a coincidence that that Dardani that neighboured Illyrians have the same name, and that they aren't related to the Dardanians of Troy, but it doesn't float.


There is the coincidence that Greek doesn't have an etymology for the word "Troy" and seek Hittite explanations. In Albanian "Troje/Trojet" (Pronounced "Troye/Troyet") literally means "Lands" or "Country"


Or what about "Ilion" the actual name of Troy? Greeks also have no etymology for this and refer to Hittite "Wilusa" as the closest bet.


In Albanian "Ilion" could be "Ylli-jone" (pronounced ew-leon) and means "our star". Illyria could then also be "ylli ri" (young star/new star).


Two kings of Dardania were named "Bardylis" which could easily be "Bardh (white) yll(star)".


Its not controversial that the Sun, Moon and stars were extremely important part of life and mythology and culture and navigation etc.


Enjoy this song from Arbereshe dedicated to a Beautiful Star:


 
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There is the coincidence that Greek doesn't have an etymology for the word "Troy" and seek Hittite explanations. In Albanian "Troje/Trojet" (Pronounced "Troye/Troyet") literally means "Lands."


Here is an example of the word "Trojet" being used in a song. It is a very common word, as common as "Land" in english.

The song is called "Guri rënd rri ne trojet e veta" which translates in English into something along the lines of:

"A heavy stone stays in its lands"

The instrument is two stringed and called a "Cifteli" and is specialized for these types of rhapsodies where the focus is more on the content of the epic verse (the type that Harvard Scholars Milman Parry and Albert Bates Lord
studied and based their Oral Theory of Homeric Verse on). These types of rhapsodies are slightly more common in highlands and Gheg areas. (This particular one is from Mirdita).

This instrument has also been in South Europe since ancient times.


The Cifteli is depicted in the funerary stele of Philocrates dated ~340 BC:

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Title


Funerary stele of Philocrates.

Date of Publication


1819

Bibliographic Citation


DODWELL, Edward. A classical and topographical Tour through Greece, during the Years 1801, 1805, and 1806, vol. Ι, London, Rodwell and Martin, 1819.

Area/Place


Greece
Attica
Athens




QmCFGkcjeLY
 
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Ok, i'm going to throw the ball far here, but here goes:
Priam, King of Troy is a Dardanian and of the House of Dardanus according to Homer.
Illyrius had six sons and three daughters whose names were associated with specific tribes:
Sons
Encheleus (Εγχελέα) of the Enchelaeae
Autarieus (Αυταριέα) of the Autariates
Dardanus (Δάρδανον) of the Dardani
Maedus (Μαίδον)
Taulas (Ταυλαντά) of the Taulantii
Perrhaebus (Περραιβόν) of the Perrhaebi
Daughters
Partho (Πάρθω) of the Partheni
Daortho (Δαορθώ) of the Daors
Dassaro (Δασσαρώ) of the Dassaretae
Neighbouring nationalists try push that its just a coincidence that that Dardani that neighboured Illyrians have the same name, and that they aren't related to the Dardanians of Troy, but it doesn't float.
There is the coincidence that Greek doesn't have an etymology for the word "Troy" and seek Hittite explanations. In Albanian "Troje/Trojet" (Pronounced "Troye/Troyet") literally means "Lands" or "Country"
Or what about "Ilion" the actual name of Troy? Greeks also have no etymology for this and refer to Hittite "Wilusa" as the closest bet.
In Albanian "Ilion" could be "Ylli-jone" (pronounced ew-leon) and means "our star". Illyria could then also be "ylli ri" (young star/new star).
Two kings of Dardania were named "Bardylis" which could easily be "Bardh (white) yll(star)".
Its not controversial that the Sun, Moon and stars were extremely important part of life and mythology and culture and navigation etc.
Enjoy this song from Arbereshe dedicated to a Beautiful Star:
so is Maedus associated with Mysians ??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysians
who originated from Moesians ( modern south serbia )
.
Mysian language was akin to the barely attested Paeonian language of Paeonia, north of Macedon. Paeonian language is associated with Dardanii language.
 
so is Maedus associated with Mysians ??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysians
who originated from Moesians ( modern south serbia )
.
Mysian language was akin to the barely attested Paeonian language of Paeonia, north of Macedon. Paeonian language is associated with Dardanii language.

No clue, I have to do some more reflecting and more research before I can say anything.
 
First thing to note is the coin doesn't name the city as Lychnid-os but Lychni-dion

The thread goes off the rails with various claims of connections after the first post so it's uninteresting to follow much but, as Yetos correctly pointed out in this case, this doesn't name the city but the community, i.e. "of the Lychnidians". The town itself was considered of Illyrian association (and it's situated basically close to the boundary where Illyrians met Upper Macedonians) but the coinage is Hellenistic and of obvious Macedonian influence.

Related info:

https://helios-eie.ekt.gr/EIE/bitst...di_Lychnidos.coins_FS.Prokopov-2012-libre.pdf
 

I THINK THIS THREAD IS A COMMEDY

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TAMPOYRAS ΤΑΜΠΟΥΡΑ FROM ANCIENT ΠΑΝΔΟΥΡΑ PANDOURA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambouras

Notice Persian Tambur

A BULGARIAN STYLE TAMPOURA
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THAT IS ANCIENT STELE FROM IBERIA
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so because some ALBANIANS LIKE PLAY MUSIC OF LOUTE ORGARNS (Oud ude out)

I SEE NO COINCIDENCE,
CAUSE THE SAME COINCIDENCE CAN HAVE PERSIA, EGYPT WITH MUSIC, ETC

WHAT CAN WE EXTRACT THEN?
EGYPTIANS ARE ALBANIANS OR GREEKS ARE PERSIANS?
MAYBE SPANISH ARE BULGARIANS?

COME ON,
LETS NOT DROP TO SO RIDICULOUS LEVEL,


@ DERITE,

SORRY, I will use your Photo

what a coinsidence, WOW

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In Italy they 'cut' the Neck and made Mandolin

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and in Grece create a second tamboura a MINI one

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TAMPOYRAS ΤΑΜΠΟΥΡΑ FROM ANCIENT ΠΑΝΔΟΥΡΑ PANDOURA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambouras



What don't you understand about cultural transmission?

You non-stop do these false equivalences where you go and find something that looks similar from all the way in china or arabia or something as if that dismantles the main point.

Albanians and Greeks are neighbours of the first degree, and have been for a very long time.

Your psycho Golden Dawn politicians have brainwashed you into believing we come from Mars and so you get triggered by everything.

I'm not the one that made the Oral theory of homeric transmission. It was Harvard scholars. I didn't go and study Albanians in the highlands, it was harvard scholars.

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_epic_verse?oldformat=true

I hope you notice in this article how much slavs try to say and usurp this as being something that is theirs when its clear who they learnt it from and who still does it!
 
What don't you understand about cultural transmission?

You non-stop do these false equivalences where you go and find something that looks similar from all the way in china or arabia or something as if that dismantles the main point.

Albanians and Greeks are neighbours of the first degree, and have been for a very long time.

Your psycho Golden Dawn politicians have brainwashed you into believing we come from Mars and so you get triggered by everything.

I'm not the one that made the Oral theory of homeric transmission. It was Harvard scholars. I didn't go and study Albanians in the highlands, it was harvard scholars.

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_epic_verse?oldformat=true

I hope you notice in this article how much slavs try to say and usurp this as being something that is theirs when its clear who they learnt it from and who still does it!

@ Derite

I still do not understand what is your target, yourpoint,

My personal view was and is clear,
Plz lets not get into results, by using such tools,

my views are

1 Balkanic pop and languages are not poor, neither the same % as were 2500 years before.
yet a % comes from older populations,

2 Neither Slavic, Neither Albanian, Neither modern Greek, Neither Romanian/Aromanian were Spoken before 2500 years,

3 about Albanian, I do not believe that is Illyrian,
I think that Aromanian is closer to Illyrian, Celtic family
but ancestors of Albanian language were in Balkans 2500 years before.
same with population, I do not think majority is foreign, but that does mean no mix had happened,
especially in North where Slavic mtDNA has %,
the same I say about my country, if you Notice,

I am clear I think,


about Golden down,

Let me remind you, that αν expelled sub-leader, a 'buranda' of the party, was Albanian
and a % are Albanians, most are are after 1990's newcomers
 

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