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Also interesting enough that both the R1b from Kura-Araxes and the one from Hajji Firuz seems to not shows any EHG, while they were found with non-R1b individuals clearly showing Steppe ancestry, what can we conclude of this? That neighboring ancestry should tell us on the origin of those individuals?
I’m not sure to get your irony here. So Semitic languages came from Mesopotamia because first written / recorded there? ( I’m stopping you right now, Old Egyptian is not Semitic ).@halfalp... so, do you agree that IE was born in Anatolia? you know, the first IE language was recorded / written down there (irony, of course)
I know, you alteady express your view over V1636. But if, this lineage turns out to be important for the Anatolian Languages family question? Did it gonna become relevent?I don't know for sure, but I think V1636 looks like a wayward branch that doesn't tell us much about the relevant clades of R1b. It's M269 that should interest us, and judging by the ancient samples published thus far I'd think it diversified somewhere in Ukraine or vicinity. Perhaps it expanded out of some as yet unsampled pocket in the Caparthian range or something, which might be why we can't make sense of its trajectory just yet.
I know, you alteady express your view over V1636. But if, this lineage turns out to be important for the Anatolian Languages family question? Did it gonna become relevent?
But there is clear link between Steppe and KA. Such as mtdna U4a and U4d in KA. Also this potential V1636 individual. I think lineages are more relevent than admixture. Because we might never found the good proxy, the first generation sample showing 50% EHG 50% CHG in Armenia. Keep in mind that Armenia_Chl wich is y-dna L1a and non-Steppe mtdna lineages, arbor some EHG ancestry. Wich tell us that R1b and U4 were there somewhere.I don't think it's relevant to be honest. It's an almost dead branch as far as I can tell, and the lack of evidence for autosomal admixture between Steppe/Kura Araxes leads me to believe that the connection is too old to be relevant for IE origins. Perhaps it goes back to some Mesolithic WHG type hunter gatherer, not sure.
But there is clear link between Steppe and KA. Such as mtdna U4a and U4d in KA. Also this potential V1636 individual. I think lineages are more relevent than admixture. Because we might never found the good proxy, the first generation sample showing 50% EHG 50% CHG in Armenia. Keep in mind that Armenia_Chl wich is y-dna L1a and non-Steppe mtdna lineages, arbor some EHG ancestry. Wich tell us that R1b and U4 were there somewhere.
You are not facilitate anything for Anatolian Languages! But to be fair, for years and still today actually, i was convinced from multiples deductions that Anatolian Languages came ultimately from the Catacomb Culture.The problem is the narrow timeframe of IE. I personally don't believe that autosomal DNA would completely mix itself out of existence in between the Chalcolithic and the Bronze Age as migrating groups probably wouldn't outmarry to such an extent. The same problem exists for a south->steppe migration, albeit to a lesser extent because there are autosomal components that might be construed as being of southern origin.
For now I believe that the Caucasus was a genetic and linguistic barrier until much later. If Anatolian came from Europe it did so via the Balkans.
nope, you didn't catch the irony, it was just about the first R1b clade dates.
Aren't you Catalan? What is the reference to ETA?halfalp, take a pill
Reviewer no 2: On lines 410 and 432 the authors preferred to see the Anatolian Farmer genes that appeared in Yamnaya as flowing from southeastern Europe, with a 20% WHG component, not from Maikop, without the WHG component.
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