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Thread: Ancient genomes from Caucasus inc. Maykop

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    The deal is that qpAdm can't make feasible models of Steppe Maykop unless you add Karitiana Indians. And that admixture also pops up in Botai.
    steppe maykop is late Khvalynsk
    a mix of steppe DNA with a touch of Siberian
    a mix of Y-DNA R1a, R1b-M478 and Q1a2
    they were whiped out by Yamna, who also had steppe DNA but much less or no Siberian DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    steppe maykop is late Khvalynsk
    a mix of steppe DNA with a touch of Siberian
    a mix of Y-DNA R1a, R1b-M478 and Q1a2
    they were whiped out by Yamna, who also had steppe DNA but much less or no Siberian DNA
    However, Yamna R1b adapted the wagon burial culture of Q1a as an elite culture. So I think it is just a transition w/o conflict within the same culture zone of sunhead/animal culture, like in altai. I think it would be a problem that modern people classification tool, genetics, applies to ancient people. Actually we don't know how the ancient people classified themselves.

    Overview of archaeological sources confirming the astronomical dating We consider it necessary to argue our position particularly on correct attribution First Sunduk and Seraphim Stone to Okunev and Andronovo cultures of Khakassia As was convincingly shown by the studies of Khakassia University archeological laboratory under the direction of A. Gotlib [19], D. A. Kirillova and M.A. Podol`skaya publications [20,21], sanctuaries of the same kind in Khakassia existed during different periods of the Bronze Age – from Afanas`ev to Karasuk culture. Okunev ceramics were discovered on four sve (Khakassia term meaning «stronghold on a mountain») examined by these authors. On Chebaki sve that is located 30 km south-west from the described objects A. I. Gottlieb discovered Okunev and Karasuk ceramics. D. A. Kirillova and M.A. Podol`skaya studied sve Kyzul hai, located on the right bank of Black Ius river between s. Ustinkino and s. Podkamen`, 25 km north-west from the objects described in the article. Okunev, Karasuk and Andronivo ceramics were discovered in the Kyzul hai sve. Structures such as system of swells, marking and isolating inner space and the «wall» made of dry masonry of sandstone slabs [22] similar to the objects described in the mentioned sources were discovered on the First Sundu territory. Based on that as well as on the object`s chronology in accordance to the observations of Arkturus on the First Sunduk we came to the conclusion that the First Sunduk is the monument of Okunev and Andronovo cultures. We are also sure that should archeological excavations be conducted Okunev, Karasuk, Andronovo and Afanas`ev ceramics are found. Seraphim Stone was attributed to the Okunev culture because of two images placed in situ on the Stone that are certainly attributed to the Okunev culture. Judging by the Arcturus and Betelgeuse observation, we can attribute Seraphim Stone to the Okunev-Andronovo culture. The presence of the two atypical images that define astronomically significant directions and cannot be attributed

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfalp View Post
    But the datas are here, Maikop Steppe are north eurasian R1 foragers and Maikop foothills are CHG / middle eastern. Maikop was not indo-european and certainly played the rule of the kartvelian influence in PIE and the introduction of metallurgy and or carts. Western part of eastern europe was EHG so ANE with some WHG influence and the eastern part were EHG with female mediated CHG influence (...)
    This myth probably echoes some cultural practices and admixture events that were taking place there:

    The legend about Gargarians and Amazons:*.html

    "The mountains above Albania" refer of course to Caucasian Albania and North Caucasus Mountains.

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