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The Ghibellines, largely of noble Lombard ancestry, protected the Cathar perfecti in northern Italy.
Yes northern Italy was another big hub for heresy back then. Milan was called by Jacques of Vitry ( a french cardinal) " fovea hereticorum" ( a pit of heretics).
these areas ( north-italy ( genoa, Milan and venice, Ferrara, Bergamo and others )) for centuries where in front of the backward religious ( follow the papacy ) states .......what north italian had then is now closer to the norm for current christian society............even the germans became far more advanced in society once they won the thirty years war and removed the link to the papacy
A little less gross generalization and projection of one's biases and agendas, and a lot more reference to sources would be helpful. That way, mistakes of fact don't get made.
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What the city states of Italy became is the result of the struggles of the Guelphs against the Germanic Holy Roman Emperors and their supporters, the Ghibellines. It was they who defended the liberties of the urban communes.
In the interests of full disclosure, one of my family surnames is Ghelfi.
Yes Sile I completely agree on one point: religious idea that were present in the heretics of northern Italy ( italian waldensians, arnaldists, poor lombards) are very close to Hussites and even lutheran ones ( example the sola scriptura, rejection of the real presence of jesus in the eucharistic sacrament, rejection of purgatory, universal priesthood..even a shift toward religious freedom ). That ideas spread also in central and northern europe and influenced a lot the birth of the hussite heresy ( Luther once said: we are all hussites").
I do not agree that catholicism was a backward cultural factor in european history.... the church laid the foundation of european culture in early middle age... was the driving force in the renaissance of the west at the turning of first millennium, in the birth of science and in the promotion of parliament in middle age europe....and the list could go on and on and on and on endlessly
One of the most curious thing is that Lombardy and Veneto ( Paolo Sarpi as an example) which back then were strongly anticlerical are now the stronghold of conservative catholicism in contemporary Italy. Just to be clear I prefer the Lombardy and Veneto of today......
whats your thoughts on Bruno Giordano
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Galileo Galilei and similar had freedom to test their sciences in north italy, where in papal states they could not ....this is backward cultural factor
whats your thoughts on Bruno Giordano
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Galileo Galilei and similar had freedom to test their sciences in north italy, where in papal states they could not ....this is backward cultural factor
Even tough I do not agree with his death sentence I do remind you that secularized culture and atheist ones have killed more people in one day that christianity have in two millennia ( see nazis and commies).
Besides modern science is born inside christianity because the creationist mindset of christians made them believe that nature was not a product of irrational forces ( nature in christyanity was desacralized) but a product of an superior rationality that could be interpreted even mathematically because it was created following a rational plan. Hence the process that led in europe to the birth of scientific thinking.
Sile stop reading communist or freemasons newspapers!
The last sentence is completely wrong, its an assumption, you do know 80% of assumptions are negative thoughts/directions which does lead to bullying scenarios.
I only follow full genetic equality if if means going against institutions be it religious or not , then I am against them.
As for the other, be one who is religious or not , matters zero for sciences......
these areas ( north-italy ( genoa, Milan and venice, Ferrara, Bergamo and others )) for centuries where in front of the backward religious ( follow the papacy ) states .......what north italian had then is now closer to the norm for current christian society............even the germans became far more advanced in society once they won the thirty years war and removed the link to the papacy
whats your thoughts on Bruno Giordano
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Galileo Galilei and similar had freedom to test their sciences in north italy, where in papal states they could not ....this is backward cultural factor
Razib Khan's blog post on it:
https://blog.insito.me/the-fall-of-rome-and-the-wandering-of-peoples-8417bdb2cafc
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