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    Modern Italians who resemble busts from the classical era



    These are all 100% Southern Italian-Americans so far as I know, except for Ralph Macchio, who is 1/4 Greek. They're not clones, but they're definitely the same type to my eyes.

    Vespasian-Roman Emperor, since people don't seem to recognize him





    Vincent Gardenia:


    Cicero


    Danny Aiello:


    Marcus Agrippa:



    Mark Ruffalo:


    Portrait of an ancient Roman in Britain:



    Victor Mature


    Tiberius


    Frank Sinatra:

    Head of Pan:



    Ralph Macchio


    Robert Loggia, a Sicilian American actor who also has a very "Roman" look imo.

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    Marisa Tomei


    Julia Flavia

    Tomei's parents are both of Italian descent; her father's ancestors came from Tuscany, Calabria, and Campania; while her mother's ancestors are from Tuscany and Sicily.[3][4]
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    It's obvious that the Romans were just Central to South Italians with maybe some mixture from up north.

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    That wasn't the bone of contention. We have no idea yet what the ancient Romans were like autosomally because no analysis of ancient "Roman" remains from, say, the area of Rome in the Republican or Early Imperial period, has been published, so I don't know where you get your certainty. I'm content to wait for the science to speak.

    This is another issue. The statement was made on another thread that Southern Italians don't look anything like the portrait busts and other representations of ancient Romans.

    That's patently absurd if you're familiar with either and don't need glasses. Some do, some don't.

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    There are people that can be found that resemble Roman busts from all over Italy, imo

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    Gianni Agnelli-Torino (Fiat)



    Emilio Pucci-Toscana (clothes designer)


    Marcello Lippi-Toscana (soccer coach)


    Franco Nero...incredibly gorgeous actor...half Pugliese, but I don't know about the other half. Perhaps Parmigiano as he was born there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Gianni Agnelli-Torino (Fiat)



    Emilio Pucci-Toscana (clothes designer)


    Marcello Lippi-Toscana (soccer coach)


    Franco Nero...incredibly gorgeous actor...half Pugliese, but I don't know about the other half. Perhaps Parmigiano as he was born there?
    Good ones!

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    Modern Italians who resemble busts from the classical era

    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    There are people that can be found that resemble Roman busts from all over Italy, imo
    I think so too.
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    I'll just copy and paste (with a few editions) my off-topic comment posted in the other thread, as I think it has something do with the examples above.

    Answering to the comment below by Aaron1981:

    I've stated this before, but whenever I see Roman busts, I don't see any similarity between the large immigrant communities of Italians in places like Canada and USA. I'm not sure why this is, perhaps because those immigrants came largely from the south of Italy.

    The bust Angela posted looks more like a modern French male, and to a lesser extent a English male (of the non-Nordic variety).
    Really? For me it's exactly the opposite experience: every time I see a Roman bust, I think My God, these people are exactly the same as the Italian tourists in my city (Italians and Portuguese are the most numerous foreign tourists here) and a lot of Italian-Brazilians! I swear I have seen some Italians who look identical to some of those busts. Maybe that may have something to do with subjective impressions, or maybe with the point of origin of the immigrants (and tourists) we're seeing.

    Most immigrants from Italy (and there are a whole 30 million descendants of them now in Brazil) came here, mainly in the period 1870-1930, from the North (mainly) & Central regions of Italy, not from the South. But since then many of them have mixed extensively with the descendants of Portuguese, Spaniards and South Italians, so they probably became a bit more "southern-shifted" than unadmixed Northern Italians. In any case, native Italians from Central Italy look even closer to Roman statues and busts in my opinion.

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    Claudio Ranieri (from Rome, Lazio) looks ancient Roman and may resemble busts from the classical era.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Claudio Ranieri (from Rome, Lazio) looks ancient Roman and may resemble busts from the classical era.



    Good one! Thanks. There's always Totti, of course, from Lazio.


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    Also good ones. :) Hope you don't mind. For ease of viewing:




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    Pompey (Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus) and Tuscan Walter Mazzarri



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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Emilio Pucci-Toscana (clothes designer)

    According to Italian sources, he was born in Naples to a Florentine father and to a Neapolitan mother. Both his parents belonged to noble families.




    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Franco Nero...incredibly gorgeous actor...half Pugliese, but I don't know about the other half. Perhaps Parmigiano as he was born there?

    Unclear, but according to a newspaper both his parents are Apulian (from San Severo, Foggia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    According to Italian sources, he was born in Naples to a Florentine father and to a Neapolitan mother. Both his parents belonged to noble families.







    Unclear, but according to a newspaper both his parents are Apulian (from San Severo, Foggia)
    He looks it.

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    Young Al Pacino with a beard looks a lot like this bust of Marcus Aurelius imo. Particularly in the area surrounding his eyes.



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    Modern Italians who resemble busts from the classical era

    Half Italian, but he PROUDLY called himself the Italian Stallion, so he too deserve to be mentioned, imo
    Sylvester Stallone is half Italian.
    His father was born in Gioia del Colle, Apulia, Italy.



    I see some Mark Antony on him, just a little.


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    These modern examples are amazing, they really do resemble those statues down to the last detail
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    I think that Mike Pompeo also looks quite Roman (a resemblance with Cicero). He is only half Italian on his father side (from Abruzzo).




    There was some diversity of phenotypes among ancient Romans. Several nobles from the Late Republic or Early Empire have a distinctive type with a slightly triangular face, protruding ears, big eyes and a medium-sized narrow nose that is not common anywhere today, like these.

    Marcus Junius Brutus the Younger



    Emperor Augustus




    Nero Claudius Drusus Germanicus



    Emperor Tiberius


    Emperor Caligula






    Emperor Claudius



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    This type contrasts a lot with other Romans of the same period like Sulla, Pompey, Cicero, Seneca, Mark Antony, Agrippa, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Also good ones. :) Hope you don't mind. For ease of viewing:



    No problem. First one is an ex footballer (his surname is specific of Rome area) second one is a journalist born in Florence but he speak with a roman accent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I think that Mike Pompeo also looks quite Roman (a resemblance with Cicero). He is only half Italian on his father side (from Abruzzo).




    There was some diversity of phenotypes among ancient Romans. Several nobles from the Late Republic or Early Empire have a distinctive type with a slightly triangular face and big eyes that is not common anywhere today, like these.

    Marcus Junius Brutus the Younger



    Emperor Augustus




    Nero Claudius Drusus Germanicus



    Emperor Tiberius


    Emperor Caligula






    Emperor Claudius



    Unknown bust



    This type contrasts a lot with other Romans of the same period like Sulla, Pompey, Cicero, Seneca, Mark Antony, Agrippa, etc.
    I agree about Pompeo. Despite being only 1/4 Italian, I think he has an Italian look. You never know with genes how it's going to go.

    Here's a half-Italian who looks very Italian to me, and I think he even approximates the look you're talking about. The actor Bradley Cooper: half-Southern Italian/half Irish, a common combination.



    I think Alessandro del Piero also approximates it, although longer.


    Lucia Bose:


    At home in Italy(the Lunigiana) I always get a kick out of being waited on by this guy. When he's not squinting his eyes are pretty large, and he's got that big broad skull, triangular face thing going on too.
    [IMG][/IMG]

    Funnily enough, there's a restaurant right down the street where this waiter works. :)
    [IMG][/IMG]

    I think my young cousin (the boy), has a bit of that going on too, but not as much as the others.
    [IMG][/IMG]

    I notice it more in girls, though. One of my young female cousins. If she were thinner I think you'd notice it more. Mouth is different, though.
    [IMG][/IMG]

    I think they're much better looking than the Julio-Claudians, though. :)

    A distant cousin, but same surname as my father.
    [IMG][/IMG]

    A male distant cousin from my father's village:
    [IMG][/IMG]

    That's my father's type. Maybe too long?
    [IMG][/IMG]




    One for the other type, a distant cousin on my father's side (the man on the right).

    [IMG][/IMG]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato View Post
    No problem. First one is an ex footballer (his surname is specific of Rome area) second one is a journalist born in Florence but he speak with a roman accent

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    The first one I think he has an Abruzzese surname, now more common in Lazio due to huge migrations from Abruzzo to Lazio.

    The second one speaks with a Roman accent because he is from Rome, he has ever lived in Rome. According to Italian forums he is an AS Rome's supporter since he was a kid. He has common face in central Italy.





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    I knew but i don't know if he moved to Rome when he was young, maybe he was born in Florence by roman parents

    Di Livio i'm not sure, anyway it sound ancient roman... belonging or son of Livius. Some ancient roman surnames survived in the Early Middle Ages

    While i disagree with Coon when he said that ancient Roman were "Nordics" i think that he was right when i wrote thar they had their own "type", probably due to endogamy. They were mixed but we closely related groups (geographically)..Sabines and Southern Etruscans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post


    There was some diversity of phenotypes among ancient Romans. Several nobles from the Late Republic or Early Empire have a distinctive type with a slightly triangular face, protruding ears, big eyes and a medium-sized narrow nose that is not common anywhere today, like these.

    Unknown bust



    This type contrasts a lot with other Romans of the same period like Sulla, Pompey, Cicero, Seneca, Mark Antony, Agrippa, etc.
    This is a good observation. This unknown bust is actually "Drusus Julius Caesar".

    There are quite a bit more of this "type" here:

    SOURCE: http://www.digitalsculpture.org/pape...ini_paper.html

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