MyHeritage DNA Balkans category refers to the dinaric / epirotic race?

[Johane Derite]

The latin root of "Κουκούλι" is not cuculus but cucullus with double "ll" which means "cover"/ "hood".

Right, that makes more sense. I retreat from this thread..

 

[Alexandra_K]

You are welcome, yes I will retreat from it too, it has taken a completely different turn.

 

[LABERIA]

Kokalla-ë in Albanian is a used as a synonym for bone in general but also a specific bone:

KOKALLË f. sh.

1. Kockë, eshtër.
Bone.
2. vet. sh. mat. Kockat e mëdha të legenit në anën e majtë e të djathtë të ijëve. Ra dhe theu kokallat.
Big pelvic bones on the left and right side of the thigh. He fell and broke the bones.

 

[JajarBingan]

First you need to learn how to write so you can clearly express your thoughts and to learn the difference between slave and Slavic!
When you say 'South Slavs or the autochthonous Vlachs, Epirotes, Albanians', somehow you imply that the South Slavs are not autochthonous although thay have been in the Balkans for more than 1500 years now.
By the way, how do you know that the Vlachs are more native than the South Slavs?
All we know is that they speak a Latin derived language and are very similar in dna with other Balkanites, including the South Slavs for that matter!
By the way, you Romanians say that you descend from the Dacians but speak a Latin derived language.
Well, how is that possible?
The Dacians had their own language, they weren't Latin speakers.
Do you really think that 150 years of Roman rule in Dacia, was enough to change the language of whole population?
And if so, don't you think, the same have happened to the South Slavs, so in other words, they are also largely descended from the natives who were slavicized?
Do I have to remind you that the Vlachs were first attested in the history only in the 10th century AD, four centuries later after the arrival of the Slavs in the Balkans!
The first written reference to the name Vlach is made by George Querrinos in 976 AD. who wrote that David, the brother of the Bulgarian emperor Samuel, was killed in 976 by "Vlachs hodites" between Kastoria and Prespa.
Also, the Vlachs are not an homogeneous population, but they represent the people from the Balkans to all the way up to South Poland who were in contact with Slavs and who were speaking a Latin language, therefore many Goths, Huns, Slavs, Cumans and whatever not have entered in the Vlachs gene pool.
Your language was up to the 19th century a half Latin, half Slavic language when you decided to make it fully Latin, therefore you incorporated many French words in your vocabulary which is quite frankly laughable.
And for the end I can bet my ass you are more Eastern European than the Macedonians and the Bulgarians for sure!
You can put your 'my heritage' results just for comparision!
Here are mine:

Romanisation didn't suddenly stop overnight and Romans, who wer likely mostly of Balkan stock, did not withdraw completely. Just at the Southern border of the Danube, in what is now Timoc in Serbia and where Vlachs exist to this day, Dacians and other romanised and to-be romanised locals lived for centuries to come in Dacia Aureliana.
The Slavic influence on Romanian was more or less similar to today. It's not like there aren't documents in Romanian prior to the surge of French neologisms. Look up Neascu's Letter and you'll understand better.
For MyHeritage, here's mine

 

[JajarBingan]

To make a separate, but related comment on what a Thracian/Dacian/proto-Balkan individual might have looked like, we might have actually got that answer last week.
From the paper on Scythians, it appears that there were "Scythian" communities in Southern Moldova, who unsurprisingly were settled, as opposed to more Northern shifted nomads.
They cluster with modern Greeks and Albanians, while Romanians and Bulgarians pull left on the PCA due to probably medieval Slavic influence.
The black dot is the Romanian average

Their haplogroups were E-M78 (likely V13) and R1b-Z2106

I recommend reading more on the link between those "Scythians" and Thracians/Dacians here:
https://indo-european.eu/2018/10/r1a-z280-lineages-in-srubna-and-first-palaeo-balkan-r1b-z2103/

 

[JajarBingan]

Current distribution (estimate obviously as people in Southeast Europe are undersampled at subclade level) for E-V13 and R1b-Z2103 (upstream from Z2106)

National averages (all haplos) in Southeast Europe:

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[RagnarofMacedon]

I just wondering because i see lot of people here are "Specialist's" , Do you all have some educational degree linked with this topic genetics/geneology?
I see many nonsense here especially from this user Aleksandra K ...
Remember history write the Winners...
And remember when slavs "ARRIVED" they also arrived on territory of Greece, in Thessaly , Peloponnes ,Central Greece ,in many islands,Why Greeks are not Slavs if Bulgarians and Macedonians are ?From what i can see Macedonians,Greeks,Bulgarians score siimilar Balkan Category on MyHeritage...

 

[Yetos]

I just wondering because i see lot of people here are "Specialist's" , Do you all have some educational degree linked with this topic genetics/geneology?
I see many nonsense here especially from this user Aleksandra K ...
Remember history write the Winners...
And remember when slavs "ARRIVED" they also arrived on territory of Greece, in Thessaly , Peloponnes ,Central Greece ,in many islands,Why Greeks are not Slavs if Bulgarians and Macedonians are ?From what i can see Macedonians,Greeks,Bulgarians score siimilar Balkan Category on MyHeritage...

It is the % of marks,
Greece has only 10-15 % while in Makedonia reach 24% and in certain spoted areas might be 35-40%
same things also exist in other balkan countries, even in yours, Slavic admixture in majority is not even 50%,

and NO, Slavs reach Peloponese, not Islands as Slavs,

Generally are some marks of origin that show the origin.

 

[hrvat22]

It is the % of marks,
Greece has only 10-15 % while in Makedonia reach 24% and in certain spoted areas might be 35-40%
same things also exist in other balkan countries, even in yours, Slavic admixture in majority is not even 50%,

and NO, Slavs reach Peloponese, not Islands as Slavs,

Generally are some marks of origin that show the origin.

In the southern Balkans, North Macedonia has a place named Arvati (Арвати) situated near lower Prespa;^[22] in Greece there is a Charváti (Χαρβάτι) in Attica and Harvation in Argolis, as well as Charváta (Χαρβάτα) on Crete;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Croats_and_Croatia#Distribution

This peace was broken in the 7th century. Crete suffered a first raid by the Slavs in 623

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Crete#First_Byzantine_period

 

[Yetos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Croats_and_Croatia#Distribution



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Crete#First_Byzantine_period

Hrvat

you tell me and us nothing,
I was one of the first before years that gave detailed Slavic tribal names, chronology, areas that habit etc etc.
so I am very good informed about it.
Raid means not dwelling,
Hvars or Hrpts or Avars raid Constantinople also, does that means they inhabited it?
Arabs also raid, did they inhabit?

I am aware of this era, very well, at least historically part,

 

[hrvat22]

Hrvat

you tell me and us nothing,
I was one of the first before years that gave detailed Slavic tribal names, chronology, areas that habit etc etc.
so I am very good informed about it.
Raid means not dwelling,
Hvars or Hrpts or Avars raid Constantinople also, does that means they inhabited it?
Arabs also raid, did they inhabit?

I am aware of this era, very well, at least historically part,

If they went to Crete maybe they went and to the closer islands, now we do not have much genetic or arheogenetic data but we may know more in the future. Surely this was not a large number of people but a smaller part of Slavs probably inhabited and some Greek islands.

 

[Yetos]

If they went to Crete maybe they went and to the closer islands, now we do not have much genetic or arheogenetic data but we may know more in the future. Surely this was not a large number of people but a smaller part of Slavs probably inhabited and some Greek islands.

I agree with maybe,
but not with certain,