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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpluskx View Post
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    Your maps can't be seen, you should upload them to Imgur, Imgbb etc.
    Language map: https://i.imgur.com/0Q0tpcd.png

    Haplogroup map: https://i.imgur.com/scFbZpS.png

    Refer to my large comment where the maps for some reason don't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Language map: https://i.imgur.com/0Q0tpcd.png
    Haplogroup map: https://i.imgur.com/scFbZpS.png

    Refer to my large comment where the maps for some reason don't work.
    Can you put dates on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympus Mons View Post
    Can you put dates on it?
    Can't be arsed, just check YFull for the estimated age.

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    I don't think Armenians came through the Balkans. I think that they went directly south from the Steppes and arrived in the South Caucasus sometime between 2500-2200 BCE. There are a few reasons I think this:

    1) the presence of Steppe derived ancestry in Middle Bronze Age Armenian samples.

    2) the presence of (sacrificed) horse remains in Middle Bronze Age elite Armenian burials.

    3) the Armenian language being equally close to Indo-Iranian languages as Greek/Phrygian.

    4) Greek and Phrygian being centum apple languages and Armenian being a (mostly) satem non-apple language.

    5) the presence of the Black Sea coast settings and the importance of northern Armenia in Armenian mythology.

    6) the high concentration of M269 in Daghestan/Chechnya (in addition to Armenia) (more than 25%), and the comparative lack of M269 (something like 15% in the Balkans).

    If they came from the Balkans, I think that a migration would have had to have occurred by the mid-3rd millennium BCE. It seems just as likely, if not more likely to me, that Balkanic languages and Armenian separated in the Steppes.

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