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    Blood groups distribution in Europe - seems related to races

    Hello all that you read this post,

    I have seen the blood groups distribution in Europe.
    First I have seen Jakub Marian map, which somehow is not so correct added the percentage for negative RH with positive RH.
    Jakub Marian summed the percentages for 0+ with 0-, of A+ with A-, of B+ and B- and presented the results as percentages of A,B,0 .

    Even like this, the map supports the Italo-Gaulish-Celtic common language and common genetic root.
    It also seems current day Greeks are mostly descendants of Romans, because they have mostly 0 blood groups while Cyprus have mostly A.

    Italians,Iberians,Celts from Britain,Netherlands,Belgium have mostly 0,as seen on the map.
    Other Europeans have mostly A.
    A marker of mixing to later Steppe people (maybe Neolithic Steppe People,or even more recent) and Asians is the percentage of B blood group.
    Eastern Europeans have higher B group and also Fino-Ugrians.
    Scandos, since they also mixed to Fino-Ugrians,have high B.
    As you move Westwards, B group is very low.
    It appears a clear distinction between Cyprus people and Turkey people,with Cyprus having lower B group.
    Enough words and let the map speak:
    https://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/u...ype-europe.jpg
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    When looking in more detail at blood groups, taking both 0+,0-,A+,A-,B+,B-,AB the things become more,more interesting.
    It seems that significant percentages of 0-,A- are present only at Caucasian races.
    While B- seems to have originated in Pakistan and is also at some 3% in Russians,Estonians and other Eastern Europeans.
    A- at percentages higher that 5% is found only in Europeans.
    While 0- in percentages higher that 5% is found only in Caucasian races.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_...ion_by_country
    @Maciamo to me is quite clear that is a strong correlation between ethnicity and blood groups distribution.

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    I must be a B+ because my mum is a B- and my dad is a B+


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    You might be interested in Iain Mathieson work comparing/parsing mutations--data of Finns and Europeans-- Non-Finns, EEF +HG+ Steppe populations Yamnaya like[blood type 40% +/-].
    http://mathii.github.io/2017/09/21/b...ancient-europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriele Pashaj View Post
    I must be a B+ because my mum is a B- and my dad is a B+


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    They could be recessive B so the other option is that you can be 0

    My mom A(but A0, not AA), my dad AB. My brother and I are B

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    I'm A -
    Dad A-
    Mum B -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    You might be interested in Iain Mathieson work comparing/parsing mutations--data of Finns and Europeans-- Non-Finns, EEF +HG+ Steppe populations Yamnaya like[blood type 40% +/-].
    http://mathii.github.io/2017/09/21/b...ancient-europe
    Great study!
    So Steppe people had a lot of negative RH.
    And Hunter Gatherers and Early Farmers had only A and 0,with 0 at higher percentages.
    So it seems North Asians did not had B, B was brought from South Asia.

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    Interesting, I am 0- (universal donator, however I can only accept 0- blood).

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    Interesting, I am 0- (universal donator, however I can only accept 0- blood).
    You are R1b Arab with 0- blood group?
    That is extremely interesting.
    From what Arabic nation are you are?
    Did you ever took an autosomal DNA test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    You are R1b Arab with 0- blood group?
    That is extremely interesting.
    From what Arabic nation are you are?
    Did you ever took an autosomal DNA test?
    Yes, R1b Arab with 0- blood group (both my haplogroup-subclade as well as blood group are rare). I am from Southeastern Turkey, from a province bordering Syria. My ancestral village is at a side arm of the Tigris river in Northmesopotamia and we are speakers of a Mesopotamian Arabic Qeltu dialect. Yes, I made an autosomal test at ftdna and results of some gedmatch calculators are below:
    1 North_Ossetian + Kurdish + Lebanese + Saudi @ 1.920978
    2 North_Ossetian + Turkish_Kayseri + Lebanese + Saudi @ 1.962586
    3 North_Ossetian + Kurdish + Jordanian + Saudi @ 1.976987
    4 North_Ossetian + Kurdish + Lebanese + Jordanian @ 1.983959
    5 North_Ossetian + Turkish_Kayseri + Palestinian + Saudi @ 1.993089
    6 Lezgin + Turkish_Kayseri + Saudi + Saudi @ 2.024646
    7 North_Ossetian + Kurdish + Palestinian + Saudi @ 2.058694
    8 North_Ossetian + Assyrian + Syrian + Syrian @ 2.072890
    9 North_Ossetian + Kurdish + Jordanian + Palestinian @ 2.086155
    10 North_Ossetian + Lebanese + Assyrian + Syrian @ 2.117505
    11 North_Ossetian + Lebanese + Syrian + Armenian @ 2.135887
    12 Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Kayseri + Syrian + Armenian @ 2.140024
    13 North_Ossetian + Turkish_Kayseri + Palestinian + Palestinian @ 2.147310
    14 North_Ossetian + Kurdish + Palestinian + Palestinian @ 2.188273
    15 North_Ossetian + Kurdish + Lebanese + Palestinian @ 2.212847
    16 Turkish_Aydin + Assyrian + Iranian + Palestinian @ 2.240466
    17 Turkish_Kayseri + Turkish_Kayseri + Armenian + Jordanian @ 2.256550
    18 North_Ossetian + Turkish_Kayseri + Syrian + Saudi @ 2.258225
    19 North_Ossetian + Turkish_Kayseri + Lebanese + Palestinian @ 2.265505
    20 North_Ossetian + Turkish_Kayseri + Saudi + Saudi @ 2.267654

    Another calculator:

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Ossetian +50% Jordanian @ 2.240897


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kumyk +25% Jordanian +25% Druze @ 2.128861


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Lezgin + Azerbaijani + Lebanese + Jordanian @ 1.650147
    2 Lezgin + Azerbaijani + Palestinian + Syrian @ 1.742886
    3 Lezgin + Iranian + Lebanese + Samaritian @ 1.753498
    4 Lezgin + Azerbaijani + Lebanese + Syrian @ 1.810384
    5 Lezgin + Turk_Istanbul + Jordanian + Jordanian @ 1.845811
    6 Lezgin + Azerbaijani + Palestinian + Iraqi_Jew @ 1.849719
    7 Lezgin + Azerbaijani + Palestinian + Jordanian @ 1.860448
    8 Lezgin + Armenian + Lebanese + Syrian @ 1.870237
    9 Lezgin + Turk_Istanbul + Jordanian + Iraqi_Jew @ 1.883009
    10 Lezgin + Azerbaijani + Lebanese + Iraqi_Jew @ 1.889462
    11 Lezgin + Turk_Kayseri + Armenian + Yemenese @ 1.894793
    12 Lezgin + Iranian + Armenian + Yemenite_Jew @ 1.908572
    13 Lezgin + Iranian + Syrian + Samaritian @ 1.911384
    14 Lezgin + Turk_Istanbul + Syrian + Jordanian @ 1.914007
    15 Lezgin + Iranian + Iraqi_Jew + Samaritian @ 1.937308
    16 Lezgin + Turk_Istanbul + Lebanese + Jordanian @ 1.943945
    17 Lezgin + Armenian + Syrian + Iraqi_Jew @ 1.949739
    18 Lezgin + Azerbaijani + Lebanese + Palestinian @ 1.957938
    19 Lezgin + Turk_Istanbul + Palestinian + Jordanian @ 1.968952
    20 Lezgin + Armenian + Syrian + Syrian @ 2.003659

    So roughly 50% Southern Near Eastern (I consider all of it from Arabian sources since the native people of Northmesopotamia were not Levantine like rather Caucasus like) and 50% Northern Near Eastern.
    On some Gedmatch calculators I also get results like below which I find rather uninteresting since a lot of my Southern Near Eastern ancestry of me is hidden in such models in the Iraqi Mandean (of which I undoubtfully have no ancestry) and Uzbekistani Jews (from which I have neither any ancestry). If I remove these admixed samples (Mandeans/all kind of Mizrahi Jews (Uzbeki/Iraqi/Iranian)) I always get modelled again as 50% Southern and 50% Northern Near Eastern.

    18 iraqi-mandaean_harappa + lebanese_behar + lezgin_behar + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.721045
    19 iraqi-mandaean_harappa + lebanese-muslim_haber + stalskoe_xing + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.725219

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    Me and my mom are AB- and my father is B+

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    Great study!
    So Steppe people had a lot of negative RH.
    And Hunter Gatherers and Early Farmers had only A and 0,with 0 at higher percentages.
    So it seems North Asians did not had B, B was brought from South Asia.
    Yes, we know they were A- higher percent than modern Europeans. They were probably a mix of white with predominantly bronze tan coloring, and had a gene that contributed to height.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_...ion_by_country
    Blood group A is associated with high frequencies in Europe, especially in Scandinavia and Central Europe, although its highest frequencies occur in some Australian Aboriginal populations and the Blackfoot Indians of Montana, the US.[43][44]
    . They also must have had a language that included the wheel since they traveled immense distances[using wheels and wagons], since the time period 5300YBP-4800YBP. For example using both of the interactive maps you can see the distance from Vucedol to Afanasievo is roughly 5000k+/- so they would have to adapt/interact to both environment and meeting new peoples/cultures.
    Mikkel Nortoft--Mapping and programming by Mikkel Nørtoft. The technical functionalities of the timemap have been made with the generous help of Lê Nguyên Phương Thanh. The timebar is Jonathan Skeate’s Leaflet.timeline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    A- at percentages higher that 5% is found only in Europeans.
    While 0- in percentages higher that 5% is found only in Caucasian races.
    @Maciamo to me is quite clear that is a strong correlation between ethnicity and blood groups distribution.
    This is not correct. Two things:
    Stay away from "races" as we are taught to separate people. Look at tribes, ethnic groups, but not in terms of "European", "African", "Hispanic" etc.
    Also, it doesn't teach us much if we look at blood type frequencies based on nations.
    What helps and teaches us is data from regions. And then finding out the reason why data can be extremely different within countries.
    Take Chile for example:
    I have seen 0.3 percent rh negatives in a region with mainly native tribes and one study with 23% rh negatives, 9% of that A-.
    I am not sure what you consider "Caucasian", but there are frequencies of more than 5% O negatives in parts of Asia, Africa (certain Berber tribes according to LS) and people of Yoruba origin as well as a new study from Gambella, Ethiopia with more than 20% rh negatives.
    http://www.rhesusnegative.net/stayne...bela-ethiopia/
    As I have already mentioned Chile, there are other parts of South America high in rh negative blood. Brazil has 9% O- and 8% A- people.
    http://rhesusnegative.net/themission...pefrequencies/
    And then there is Al-Jouf Province of Saudi Arabia where around 29% are rh negative. There are a few other regions as well such as the Sinai Peninsula.
    http://www.rhesusnegative.net/stayne...percentages-2/
    @Maciamo to me is quite clear that is a strong correlation between ethnicity and blood groups distribution.

    I don't think Maciamo will agree with you there. But I will. But only in terms of researching haplogroup frequencies of ancient tribes and compare what high rh negative tribes have in common. I have been working on this for years and there is no end in sight. But the first thing you need to do is get rid of the continental mindset. :) And then it makes a ton of sense to see how the tribes have migrated over time.
    Most people are reluctant to look at these things. But give it 5-10 years and it will be considered common knowledge. By then a lot of new research should be on the table.

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    Interesting. I have O- blood, along with 2 of my sisters, but my daughter and mother are both O+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    Great study!
    So Steppe people had a lot of negative RH.
    And Hunter Gatherers and Early Farmers had only A and 0,with 0 at higher percentages.
    So it seems North Asians did not had B, B was brought from South Asia.
    Interesting, i have some steppe and i´m A rh-.

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    I should add i also have some native dna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glasjuice View Post
    I should add i also have some native dna.
    Native what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firetown View Post
    Native what?
    I test as part native american at ancestry. However my grandparent was saami, indigenous people of Scandinavia (at least its scandinavia now) I think that saami has strong similarity with native americans for some reason,since relatives of mine got the same result at ancestry.

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