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    Wildfires in Greece

    Se si svegliassero non sarei più extracomunitario. Ma loro dormono e quindi ... continuassero a farlo. Lo sanno fare bene

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    This is a terrible disaster. It's really sad to see those apocalyptic pictures. R.I.P. to all the victims of this tragedy. Condolences to the families of the victims.
    The story in the article below was perhaps the most terrible:
    Greece wildfires: Rescuers find 26 bodies near Mati beach

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    This is a terrible disaster. It's really sad to see those apocalyptic pictures. R.I.P. to all the victims of this tragedy. Condolences to the families of the victims.
    The story in the article below was perhaps the most terrible:
    Greece wildfires: Rescuers find 26 bodies near Mati beach
    I’m speechless... how is it possible ?! It’s hard to believe ....


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    how come it got out of hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    how come it got out of hand?
    I hope the reason of those fires will be discovered


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriele Pashaj View Post
    In the future, please elaborate more with the title of your threads. There's countless threads with various topics about Greece.

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    My heart goes out to the victims of the wildfires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    In the future, please elaborate more with the title of your threads. There's countless threads with various topics about Greece.

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    My heart goes out to the victims of the wildfires.
    I agree with you ! Sorry ! I just put the link without writing nothing ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriele Pashaj View Post
    I hope the reason of those fires will be discovered


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    One Greek high priest had said today that is punishment by god. Its punishing the prime minister for being an atheist. I believe it could have been high winds, and heat. I have witnessed a fire like that, and is nothing one can do. The fire travels 10m/s. I was by the sea and it was scary! I think all Balkan countries are at risk, and they should have a NATO style firefighting agreement: Fire on one, fire in all. One country in its own can do nothing. Remember the fire in California was a lot worse wit a lot of more victims. When California can not handle it imagine others.
    To many victims from CO2.
    As earth temperature is going crazy high it will get a lot worse

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    ασυμμετρος απειλη.

    organized crime,
    chosen the date, the weather, and multiple starts.

    when criminality meets the chaotic effect of the butterfly moving her wings

    8 B winds
    47 starts at less than 24 hrs
    11 within an hour.
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Feature: Greeks look into causes of deadly wildfire

    Source: Xinhua| 2018-07-26 21:56:56|Editor: xuxin


    By Maria Spiliopoulou
    ATHENS, July 26 (Xinhua) -- Following the shock and agony, Greeks are looking into the causes of one of the deadliest tragedies to hit the country in over a decade.
    At least 83 lives were lost, 187 people were injured and a yet unclear number of people were missing by Thursday, after a wildfire swept on Monday through coastal settlements, 30 kilometers east of Athens, according to the latest official count.
    As rain fell on Thursday helping firefighters to extinguish the last flames, but also hampering efforts to trace survivors, policy makers, experts and ordinary citizens were debating over the factors which contributed to the catastrophe and measures to avert future tragedies caused by wildfires or floods.
    What happened at Mati and Neos Voutzas this week was "a tragedy waiting to happen" for several years, locals such as Fotis Provatas, former vice mayor of the City of Athens, told Xinhua.
    They pointed to problematic urban planning which blocked the quick escape of thousands of people to the sea and lack of emergency preparedness.
    The town plan in Mati acted as a "death trap", Professor of dynamic tectonics and applied geology Efthymios Lekkas told local SKAI TV.
    "It was the extreme weather phenomenon, the wind gusts, the speed of the fire, the forest that had not been cleared, the morphology of the terrain that helped its rapid advance, but the decisive factor was the layout of the buildings and roads that trapped people," he said.
    It was a plan that included roads that led to dead ends, to cliffs above the sea, or fenced properties, he explained.
    The most alarming fact highlighted in the debate was that Mati and Neos Voutzas were the rule and not the exception in seaside towns across Greece.
    Very few Greek towns were built in an appropriate way and it was now a question of what could be done in all the areas that had been developed in the last four or five decades, with multiple violations of town planning rules, Professor Lekkas stressed.
    Transport and Infrastructure Minister Christos Spirtzis announced on Thursday a survey of building permits in Mati.
    Exceptional conditions with gusts of wind that reached record speeds of up to 120 kilometers per hour were at least partly to blame for the devastation inflicted by the fire, the head of the National Observatory of Athens and Professor of astronomy Manolis Pleionis told Greek national news agency AMNA.
    But mainly it was chronic "mistakes and oversights" Costas Synolakis, Professor of natural hazards at the Technical University of Crete's School of Environmental Engineering, commented in "Kathimerini" (Daily) newspaper.

    "Monday's fires raged out of control, raising the question of whether the initial response was inadequate. The response time to any fire, whether in a city or a forest, is critical," Professor Synolakis noted.
    "As we stressed in an older study conducted with Georgios Karagiannis at the Technical University of Crete, understanding the situation, gauging the resources required and assessing the mobilization time are the biggest challenges in any disaster response," Synolakis wrote.

    "The announcement of a wildfire in a well-known high-risk area should have sounded the alarm for the instant deployment of more firefighting resources before the fire spread...
    "The fire should not be allowed to reach people's yards before they are ordered to abandon their homes. Greece has only a handful of areas that have carried out civil protection drills," the Greek expert underlined.
    The government has implied that in Mati's case there was a deliberate arson plan. The fire started in a forest of particularly flammable pine trees on Mountain Penteli as strong winds blew in the area.
    Penteli Mayor Dimitris Stergiou suggested another scenario when speaking to local media on Thursday -- that a cut Public Power Corporation cable started the deadly wildfire.
    Stergiou told "in-gr" news portal that he was on the scene just minutes after the fire broke out.
    He said he spotted a cut cable from the Public Power Corporation's outdated electricity network and alerted the Fire Service. "I suspect that this is what started the fire. It exploded like an atomic bomb," Stergiou said.

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    Greek Officials Say Arson May Have Caused the Wildfire That Killed Almost 90 People


    By Costas Kantouris and Elena Becatoros July 26, 2018


    (ATHENS, Greece) — Frantic relatives headed to the Athens morgue Thursday to seek the fate of loved ones still missing after Greece’s deadliest forest fire in decades, a blaze that Greek authorities said they increasingly suspect resulted from arson.
    Public Order Minister Nikos Toskas said satellite image analysis and ground inspections provided “serious indications” the fire that broke out in multiple places within a short time frame Monday and killed at least 82 people was set deliberately.
    “We have serious indications and significant findings of criminal activity concerning arson,” Toskas said. “We are troubled by many factors, and there have been physical findings that are the subject of an investigation.”
    He declined to provide more details.

    The fire department’s special arson section, which probes all major fires, was conducting the investigation to determine how the wildfire started. The cause of the blaze has not been established. Before Toskas’ news conference, the mayor of the area where it broke out said it might have been sparks from a severed electricity pylon cable.
    The death toll from the fire inched up Thursday morning, when the fire department put the number of people killed at 82. Rescue crews and volunteers continued to search on land and at sea for more victims. Many of the bodies were burned beyond recognition, making identification difficult.
    At the morgue, relatives were informed about the steps needed to match one of the bodies held there to a missing person, including providing DNA samples and dental records.
    “The procedure is difficult, harder than that of other mass disasters which we have dealt with in the past as a forensics department,” coroner Nikolaos Kalogrias said. “Here, the main cause of death was burning, in most cases the complete burning (of the body), so identification is very difficult.”
    Germany’s federal criminal police said a team of its forensics specialists was in Greece to help authorities identify the dead. The team members have worked on major disasters such as the 2002 plane crash in Ueberlingen, Switzerland, and the 2004 Asian tsunami.
    The fire broke out near Rafina, northeast of Athens. Fanned by gale-force winds, it raced through seaside resorts of full-time homes and vacation residences popular with Athenians and tourists.
    The large area the flames swept through further complicated the process of identifying victims. Officials said there was no way of knowing how many people were there at the time. By Thursday afternoon, there was still no official number of missing.
    Thanassis Moraitis went to the morgue searching for his 90-year-old mother.
    He had tried to drive away with his mother, wife and 19-year-old son, but the fire was too fast. They had to abandon the car and started running to the beach and into the water. Moraitis suffered burns to his leg from the heat of the air. His mother didn’t make it.
    “In the sea, there was a rain of fire, there was smoke, there was a Force 12 wind,” said the 53-year-old, adding that boats picked the family up after about three hours.
    “I didn’t even get a chance to say goodbye to my mother,” Moraitis said.

    Fire department spokeswoman Stavroula Malliri said the search for victims continued and would not end until every building had been thoroughly investigated. Rescue crews had not been able to enter homes that had not been destroyed and were shut, she said.
    Apart from the house-to-house searches, coast guard and volunteer divers were searching the waters off the coast and a nearby deserted island. Hundreds of volunteers lined up at the Rafina town hall to offer whatever help might be needed.
    During the fire, hundreds fled to nearby beaches, with many swimming out to sea to escape the ferocious flames and choking smoke. Dozens spent hours at sea before being picked up by coast guard vessels, fishing boats and a passing ferry. Several of the dead were people who drowned.
    The worse affected area was the seaside community of Mati, where the majority of victims were found, including 26 people found huddled together, many embracing.
    Arriving at the morgue with her son, Maria Saridou was hoping her 55-year old sister, Eleni, was not among the victims. She had gone swimming with a friend of hers in Mati, Saridou said, but the two became separated in the chaos of the fire. She hadn’t heard from her since.
    “We found her car, it wasn’t burnt, nor was the house,” said 60-year-old Saridou. “It’s just that we can’t find her. … I believe she’s alive. Where she went, nobody knows where she went.”
    Hundreds of homes were burnt. The speed with which the flames spread took many by surprise. The narrow streets of Mati, an area built up with no town planning, quickly became clogged with parked and abandoned cars as people tried to flee, hampering access by firefighting trucks and blocking escape routes.
    One Belgian national and one Irish national were among those confirmed dead.
    Some of the casualties are believed to have tried to make it to the shore through narrow pathways, but lost their way in the thick smoke or had their paths blocked by the swift-moving blaze. Even those on beaches were not safe, as flames burned trees and vegetation at the water’s edge, while flaming pine cones rained downward, survivors have said.

    Recriminations about the apparent lack of an evacuation plan and what many perceived to have been a slow response has mounted, with survivors saying they had been abandoned to do whatever they could to save themselves alone.
    Firefighting and rescue efforts, particularly from the air and the sea, were hampered by gale force winds and rough seas. When the Rafina fire broke out, crews were also engaged in fighting a massive fire west of Athens that had broken out hours earlier and also burnt homes.
    But survivors have accused authorities of failing to adequately prepare and for not evacuating the area, as well as not responding fast enough.
    Defense Minister Panos Kammenos visited Mati Thursday morning and was heckled by distraught men and women, who accused authorities of not doing enough in the initial hours of the fire.

    “People died for nothing!” one woman sobbed at the minister.
    Local resident Giannis Kardiakos, who said he stayed in the area until midnight, said efforts to tackle the blaze and to rescue those who had fled to the beaches started too late.
    “There was no protection, there was nothing! … I’m saying things as they were,” he said, as Kammenos detailed what the military and firefighters had been doing to battle the fire. “I’m not lying. We’re not talking politically here,” he added, before breaking down in tears.
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    Thanassis Stavrakis in Mati, Greece, and Menelaos Hadjicostis in Athens contributed to this report.

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    'Serious indications' deadly Greece wildfire was arson

    Satellite image analysis and ground inspections suggest the fire that broke out on Monday was set deliberately.
    21:07, UK, Thursday 26 July 2018

    The wildfire began this week


    There are "serious indications" a wildfire near Athens that has killed more than 80 people was arson, authorities say.

    Public order minister Nikos Toskas said satellite image analysis and ground inspections suggest the fire that broke out on Monday was set deliberately.

    The blaze struck coastal villages popular with holidaymakers.
    Most people fled to the safety of the sea with just the clothes on their backs.




    More than 80 people have died

    Survivors spoke of harrowing scenes including entire families burned alive in their homes.
    :: Greece wildfires: Terror police investigate after 'armageddon' blazes near Athens
    "We were alone, there was nobody to help us. Everybody did what they thought they had to do to survive on their own," resident Evi Kavoura said.
    "I feel a pain in my heart, a very heavy load."
    :: Greece fires: I think my father died in this car
    The search for more victims continued on Thursday as authorities confirmed the number of dead had risen to 82.



    Firefighters and volunteers have been extinguishing the blaze

    Germany has sent a team of forensics specialists to help officials identify victims.

    The team includes people who worked on major disasters such as the 2002 midair plane crash over Ueberlingen in Germany that killed 71 people and the 2004 Boxing day tsunami in the Indian Ocean that killed at least 225,000 across multiple Asian countries.

    :: Scenes of desperate sadness as Greece deals with fires
    Post-mortems and identification procedures are ongoing at a morgue in Schisto, west of Athens, which involve coroners, police forensic units, and forensic dentistry experts from Athens university.



    People fled to the sea for safety

    The chief coroner in Athens says the task of identifying victims is difficult because most of the bodies at the morgue were severely burned.
    Authorities are working to put together a complete list of those missing.
    It is the worst fire in Greece since 2007, when large sections of forest and farmland were destroyed mainly in the country's south, and more than 60 people were killed.













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    Μάτι Αττικής. Η επόμενη μέρα μίας ασύλληπτης τραγωδίας.
    English: Mati Attica. The next day of an inconceivable tragedy.
    Deutsch: Mati Attika. Der nächste Tag einer unvorstellbaren Tragödie.
    Español: Mati Attica. El día siguiente de una tragedia inconcebible.

    Français: Mati Attica. Le lendemain d'une tragédie inconcevable.

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    Mati area, Attica, Greece. Aftermath of the 2018-07-23 wildfire with multiple victims

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    All our Sympathies go to our Greek Cousins for the terrible fire spreading death and destruction.

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    << 'It was an organised plan', said the Minister, 'They burned alive so to accuse the goverment, and force her resign ''>>




    -The prime minister took all the responsibilities.
    - So? terrorist organisations do such as well.





    -isn't it a crime the spread of fake news?
    -Yes but those who represent the goverment have immunity, Ασυλεια (asylum)





    -Have a nice trip, a nice journey, to a better world
    (do not even turn back to see behind)

    (He Dedicated to the little twin girls, who melt like candles, with and inside the 'hug' of their grandma and grandpa)


    What can someone say,
    to the mother, who took ashes from a burned car,
    instead her less than a year old baby,
    cause 'someone' closed the road forbiting their escape, and driven them back to sea, through hell flames.

    When the new system of digital wireless comunications do not work,
    and they do not use SMS to warn the people.
    At least terrorist have an idea,
    some are terrorist with no reason or idea.

    Period.
    I stoped watching TV,
    I do not trust brained washed news.

    the 'lost ones' are more than 120,
    yet even today they afraid to say the number,
    playing impression games.

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