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I am curious what is thought about this calculator: http://www.y-str.org/2014/12/ancient-calculator.html
It had some interesting results when I ran I1; K1c1; R-U106; H5a1b; and a New World that has only taken autosomal
Thanks to Wheal for bringing it to our attention.
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Wheal, I got the ancient dna calculator to work, with rather interesting results, but I can't seem to get the one working which you used. I don't see anywhere to browse and input my 23andme file on the calculator page.
Do you happen to know the identity of the numbered samples in the ancient calculator?
Here are the results I got with the breakdown of DNA
I-M253 & H1a31 K1c1 R-U106 & H11a H5a1b New World Ajivide 58 1.220% 3.230% 3.160% 3.170% 1.180% Altai Neanderthal 0.400% 1.000% 1.170% 1.080% 0.560% Australian Aboriginal 1.260% 4.710% 5.360% 5.400% 2.130% BR1 2.630% 5.860% 6.650% 7.120% 2.900% BR2 12.120% 23.950% 24.340% 25.080% 10.960% Clovis Anzick-1 7.410% 15.890% 16.570% 17.080% 11.750% CO1 3.310% 6.300% 7.400% 7.600% 2.870% Denisova 0.240% 0.750% 0.830% 0.770% 0.400% Gokhem2 1.600% 3.540% 3.880% 3.740% 1.140% Hinxton-1 0.600% 1.810% 2.340% 2.490% 0.670% Hinxton-2 1.040% 2.520% 2.870% 2.770% 0.930% Hinxton-3 1.410% 3.220% 3.810% 3.590% 0.950% Hinxton-4 2.010% 4.810% 4.960% 5.520% 1.810% Hinxton-5 1.020% 2.390% 2.310% 2.640% 0.700% IR1 2.910% 6.610% 7.230% 8.080% 2.890% KO1 3.210% 8.220% 8.360% 8.500% 3.260% Kostenki14 4.440% 9.090% 9.150% 10.390% 3.870% La Brana Arintero 3.380% 8.620% 9.740% 9.630% 3.060% Linearbandkermik 11.490% 23.400% 24.750% 24.620% 10.370% Loschbour 9.970% 21.410% 21.750% 22.050% 9.130% Mal'ta 4.210% 5.500% 6.660% 6.420% 2.920% Motala 12 4.880% 9.660% 10.360% 11.090% 4.210% NE1 11.900% 22.950% 24.290% 25.000% 10.540% NE5 2.800% 6.270% 6.940% 7.350% 2.900% NE6 6.780% 6.780% 7.870% 7.570% 2.770% NE7 3.680% 7.280% 7.580% 7.800% 2.710% Palaeo-Eskimo 2.760% 6.810% 7.220% 7.550% 3.510% Ust-Ishim 9.910% 20.670% 21.130% 21.320% 11.120% Vi33.16 Neanderthal 0.170% 0.580% 0.480% 0.630% 0.320% Vi33.25 Neanderthal 0.170% 0.980% 0.680% 1.010% 0.320% Vi33.26 Neanderthal 0.310% 0.920% 0.860% 0.820% 0.390% Rise00 2.540% 6.690% 6.130% 6.420% 2.080% Rise150 3.510% 9.920% 10.850% 10.780% 3.810% RISE174 3.500% 9.620% 10.560% 10.980% 3.280% RISE395 4.570% 10.360% 11.780% 11.010% 3.900% RISE479 3.720% 8.460% 8.400% 8.350% 2.910% RISE493 7.910% 17.480% 18.380% 18.690% 8.990% RISE495 6.470% 13.790% 14.180% 14.930% 7.200% RISE496 4.770% 11.350% 11.800% 11.780% 4.720% RISE497 7.130% 14.890% 15.300% 15.730% 8.700% RISE499 3.370% 7.180% 7.530% 8.540% 2.860% RISE500 4.270% 9.050% 9.540% 10.290% 3.840% RISE502 2.930% 6.790% 7.050% 8.080% 2.810% RISE503 3.230% 6.380% 6.770% 6.970% 2.760% RISE504 2.890% 6.840% 7.250% 7.400% 3.630% RISE505 7.630% 16.840% 17.450% 18.320% 7.620% RISE509 2.940% 6.630% 6.150% 6.810% 2.610% RISE511 6.560% 13.390% 14.610% 14.750% 6.180% RISE523 5.370% 10.820% 11.120% 11.710% 5.240% RISE548 3.110% 6.800% 7.230% 7.200% 2.970% RISE552 4.450% 10.470% 10.620% 11.130% 4.500% RISE569 3.060% 6.930% 7.910% 7.690% 2.630% RISE577 2.720% 7.070% 7.430% 7.960% 2.580% RISE601 1.540% 3.510% 4.370% 4.770% 1.930% RISE602 1.690% 3.980% 4.340% 4.680% 1.940% RISE94 2.340% 5.690% 6.710% 6.880% 2.200% RISE97 2.780% 6.150% 6.500% 6.630% 2.210% RISE98 6.860% 15.670% 16.450% 17.910% 6.970% Bot15 2.360% 5.520% 6.480% 6.510% 3.580% Bot17 2.300% 5.270% 5.430% 5.690% 2.930% 235.760% 509.270% 539.020% 556.470% 230.820%
The mt & Y groups at the top are the kits I ran the calculator against
To run the calculator, you download the calculator and then just click on your raw data files that you have saved in your files. You don't upload any of the data to the calculator. It took me a bit to figure it out.
I couldn't get it to spit out the whole run at once, but I could do it one at a time.
Altai Neanderthal: .06
Loschbour: 8.92
LaBrana .40
Malta 0
KO1 .38
LBK 18.35
NE 1 16.33
NE5 .30
NE6 .98
NE7 .91
Gok 2 0
CO1 .73
BR1 .15
BR2 17.99
Iron Age I .12
Hinxon- 0
I'm "matchier" with some of the samples. Some of it I understand as it makes sense I would have more "EEF", but it's not across the board. I get low scores with some of the Neolithic farmer samples, but a "high"?one for LBK and NE1. I'll have to think about whether that might mean anything, i.e. different Neolithic waves, or just drift.
My high scores with BR2 NE1 don't surprise me. My area of Italy correlates highly with those two samples in academic samples. I have to look up both of those Bronze Age samples and figure out the differences.
The Hinxton scores also make sense.
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Yes, I had to run them one at a time (quite a few runs) for 5 people for the whole list of samples. What I found interesting, was the 5th sample and the first sample were so similar in result percentages. The first one is most probably from Dutch heritage an, and the 2nd, 3rd and 4th were Germany, possibly Poland and England (in that order) but the middle three are more similar.
The % totals at the end were simply my being curious, but I have to wonder if that would be an indication of the amount of overlap with modern among the samples.
This is a sticky thread with some of the RISE numbers. When I have a chance I'll go through them and see if the ones from this calculator are in there.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...th-kit-numbers
If someone knows of another and perhaps more comprehensive list somewhere, it would be very helpful. I could either add it to this one or make another sticky.
Originally Posted by Angela
I couldn't get it to spit out the whole run at once, but I could do it one at a time.
Altai Neanderthal: .06
Loschbour: 8.92
LaBrana .40
Malta 0
KO1 .38
LBK 18.35
NE 1 16.33
NE5 .30
NE6 .98
NE7 .91
Gok 2 0
CO1 .73
BR1 .15
BR2 17.99
Iron Age I .12
Hinxon- 0
I'm "matchier" with some of the samples. Some of it I understand as it makes sense I would have more "EEF", but it's not across the board. I get low scores with some of the Neolithic farmer samples, but a "high"?one for LBK and NE1. I'll have to think about whether that might mean anything, i.e. different Neolithic waves, or just drift.
My high scores with BR2 NE1 don't surprise me. My area of Italy correlates highly with those two samples in academic samples. I have to look up both of those Bronze Age samples and figure out the differences.
The Hinxton scores also make sense.
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Here's mine:
@ Wheal
Great calculator, thanks for finding it!
Note: These were used with V5 23andme raw data.
Last edited by Jovialis; 29-07-18 at 22:31. Reason: adding note
Thanks for posting, Jovialis. Let's hope some people from other parts of Europe post. I'd be interested to see German and Eastern European scores, and Spain and the Balkans too.Here's mine:
@ Wheal
Great calculator, thanks for finding it!
I also read a note somewhere on the website that said if you know where to get more samples to let him know and he would add them. Although it was quite a bit of work to compare, It was still an interesting calculator to use since it was by individual.
I've borrowed Jovialis's graph but was lazy to do all of them...
The strongest one is NE1 - 22.06%
For convenience in case other people want to share their results; here's a list of all the sample populations in alphabetical order. The way I did it was that I put them in a google docs spread sheet. Then I auto-arranged it by the highest value. For clarity, I highlighted the percentages 1% or higher in a brighter yellow.
ANCIENT DNA
Ajvide 58
Altai Neanderthal
Australian Aboriginal
Bot 15
Bot 17
BR1
BR2
Clovis Anzick-1
CO1
Denisova
Gökhem2
Hinxton-1
Hinxton-2
Hinxton-3
Hinxton-4
Hinxton-5
IR1
KO1
Kostenki 14
La Braña Arintero
Linearbandkeramik
Loschbour
Mal'ta
Motala12
NE1
NE5
NE6
NE7
Paleo-Eskimo
RISE00
RISE150
RISE174
RISE395
RISE479
RISE493
RISE497
RISE499
RISE500
RISE502
RISE503
RISE504
RISE505
RISE509
RISE511
RISE523
RISE548
RISE552
RISE569
RISE577
RISE601
RISE602
RISE94
RISE97
RISE98
Ust-Ishim
Vi33.16 Neanderthal
Vi33.25 Neanderthal
Vi33.26 Neanderthal
@Jovialis
If Linearbandkeramik is another name for LBK Stuggart, my old data from “Gedmatch Archaic Matches” matches yours top results by Hierarchy but doesn’t show the percentages.
I compared your IMG to my Results.
At 1cm
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Done. Here my results
BR2 26.80 NE1 26.67 Linearbandkeramik 26.45 Ust-Ishim 22.65 Loschbour 21.81 RISE493 18.83 RISE505 17.75 RISE98 16.59 Clovis Anzick-1 16.57 RISE497 14.87 RISE511 13.98 RISE495 13.82 RISE552 10.91 RISE496 10.79 RISE523 9.77 RISE150 9.67 RISE395 9.60 RISE174 9.37 Kostenki14 8.87 RISE500 8.71 Motala 12 8.48 RISE479 7.29 RISE577 6.78 NE6 6.70 RISE569 6.54 La Braña Arintero 6.51 KO1 6.45 RISE499 6.32 Palaeo-Eskimo 6.28 IR1 6.14 RISE502 6.14 NE7 5.88 CO1 5.83 RISE504 5.70 RISE503 5.66 RISE509 5.59 Mal'ta 5.53 NE5 5.24 BR1 5.20 RISE548 5.14 Bot 15 4.68 RISE00 4.63 RISE94 4.48 Bot 17 4.45 RISE97 4.09 Hinxton-4 4.04 Australian Aboriginal 3.63 RISE602 3.31 RISE601 2.92 Gökhem2 2.88 Hinxton-3 2.32 Hinxton-2 1.64 Hinxton-1 1.57 Hinxton-5 1.40 Altaj Neanderthal 1.10 Denisova 0.94 Vi33.16 Neanderthal 0.69 Vi33.26 Neanderthal 0.68 Ajvide 58 0.64 Vi33.25 Neanderthal 0.61
1) typo: Ajvide 58 is 2.10
2) this is the Total Shared DNA mode
Last edited by Stuvanè; 31-07-18 at 07:50. Reason: typo
[QUOTE=Stuvanè;550334]Done. Here my results
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BR2 26.80 NE1 26.67 Linearbandkeramik 26.45 Ust-Ishim 22.65 Loschbour 21.81 RISE493 18.83 RISE505 17.75 RISE98 16.59 Clovis Anzick-1 16.57 RISE497 14.87 RISE511 13.98 RISE495 13.82 RISE552 10.91 RISE496 10.79 RISE523 9.77 RISE150 9.67 RISE395 9.60 RISE174 9.37 Kostenki14 8.87 RISE500 8.71 Motala 12 8.48 RISE479 7.29 RISE577 6.78 NE6 6.70 RISE569 6.54 La Braña Arintero 6.51 KO1 6.45 RISE499 6.32 Palaeo-Eskimo 6.28 IR1 6.14 RISE502 6.14 NE7 5.88 CO1 5.83 RISE504 5.70 RISE503 5.66 RISE509 5.59 Mal'ta 5.53 NE5 5.24 BR1 5.20 RISE548 5.14 Bot 15 4.68 RISE00 4.63 RISE94 4.48 Bot 17 4.45 RISE97 4.09 Hinxton-4 4.04 Australian Aboriginal 3.63 RISE602 3.31 RISE601 2.92 Gökhem2 2.88 Hinxton-3 2.32 Hinxton-2 1.64 Hinxton-1 1.57 Hinxton-5 1.40 Altaj Neanderthal 1.10 Denisova 0.94 Vi33.16 Neanderthal 0.69 Vi33.26 Neanderthal 0.68 Ajvide 58 0.64 Vi33.25 Neanderthal 0.61
Did you use v5 from 23andme?
[QUOTE=Angela;550335]I suppose not, Angela.
I used my last raw data downloaded about a year ago, but I did my 23andme test in the summer of 2014
[QUOTE=Stuvanè;550337]Thanks, Stuvane. Yeah, I just re-ran some of the important samples using my v3 results and everything changed. It's so annoying and disheartening, both. Everytime I think a calculator is half way decent there's some catch.
My "farmer" samples only went up a few points, so I still don't have scores as high as you for LBK or NEI or even BR1, but my WHG and ANE scores went way up.
Loschbour: 14.69
Mal'ta: 14.40
I get matches with Hinxton, now too.
These are huge differences. I'm sure the same thing would happen for Jovialis if he had v3.
I'm starting to think the v5 leaves out too many alleles. It's useless comparing scores unless you're using the same iteration of the test. I'd test with FTDNA but I have no confidence at all in their results.
Well, 23andme just wanted to sell our data to pharmaceuticals anyway. I don't know if they're being honest, but I never gave them the power to share my data with anyone, and, in fact, I told them to destroy the sample.
Btw, did you ever test with Ancestry, and if you did what did you think?
[QUOTE=Angela;550339]No Ancestry test, Angela. Maybe in the future, with more affordable prices ;)
Yeah I think so as well. I did use V5 of 23andme for the runs.
V5 chip (I started the run before v5 was criticized.)
I guess my results are useless.
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Last edited by Salento; 30-07-18 at 06:58.
would be very interesting to see how non Europeans score in this
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Location, age, sex, and Haplogroup of the Ancient DNA Samples.
http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html?m=0
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