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    On line calculator from Genetic Geneology Tools blog

    I am curious what is thought about this calculator: http://www.y-str.org/2014/12/ancient-calculator.html

    It had some interesting results when I ran I1; K1c1; R-U106; H5a1b; and a New World that has only taken autosomal

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    On line calculator from Genetic Geneology Tools blog

    Thanks to Wheal for bringing it to our attention.


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    Wheal, I got the ancient dna calculator to work, with rather interesting results, but I can't seem to get the one working which you used. I don't see anywhere to browse and input my 23andme file on the calculator page.

    Do you happen to know the identity of the numbered samples in the ancient calculator?

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    Here are the results I got with the breakdown of DNA

    I-M253 & H1a31 K1c1 R-U106 & H11a H5a1b New World
    Ajivide 58 1.220% 3.230% 3.160% 3.170% 1.180%
    Altai Neanderthal 0.400% 1.000% 1.170% 1.080% 0.560%
    Australian Aboriginal 1.260% 4.710% 5.360% 5.400% 2.130%
    BR1 2.630% 5.860% 6.650% 7.120% 2.900%
    BR2 12.120% 23.950% 24.340% 25.080% 10.960%
    Clovis Anzick-1 7.410% 15.890% 16.570% 17.080% 11.750%
    CO1 3.310% 6.300% 7.400% 7.600% 2.870%
    Denisova 0.240% 0.750% 0.830% 0.770% 0.400%
    Gokhem2 1.600% 3.540% 3.880% 3.740% 1.140%
    Hinxton-1 0.600% 1.810% 2.340% 2.490% 0.670%
    Hinxton-2 1.040% 2.520% 2.870% 2.770% 0.930%
    Hinxton-3 1.410% 3.220% 3.810% 3.590% 0.950%
    Hinxton-4 2.010% 4.810% 4.960% 5.520% 1.810%
    Hinxton-5 1.020% 2.390% 2.310% 2.640% 0.700%
    IR1 2.910% 6.610% 7.230% 8.080% 2.890%
    KO1 3.210% 8.220% 8.360% 8.500% 3.260%
    Kostenki14 4.440% 9.090% 9.150% 10.390% 3.870%
    La Brana Arintero 3.380% 8.620% 9.740% 9.630% 3.060%
    Linearbandkermik 11.490% 23.400% 24.750% 24.620% 10.370%
    Loschbour 9.970% 21.410% 21.750% 22.050% 9.130%
    Mal'ta 4.210% 5.500% 6.660% 6.420% 2.920%
    Motala 12 4.880% 9.660% 10.360% 11.090% 4.210%
    NE1 11.900% 22.950% 24.290% 25.000% 10.540%
    NE5 2.800% 6.270% 6.940% 7.350% 2.900%
    NE6 6.780% 6.780% 7.870% 7.570% 2.770%
    NE7 3.680% 7.280% 7.580% 7.800% 2.710%
    Palaeo-Eskimo 2.760% 6.810% 7.220% 7.550% 3.510%
    Ust-Ishim 9.910% 20.670% 21.130% 21.320% 11.120%
    Vi33.16 Neanderthal 0.170% 0.580% 0.480% 0.630% 0.320%
    Vi33.25 Neanderthal 0.170% 0.980% 0.680% 1.010% 0.320%
    Vi33.26 Neanderthal 0.310% 0.920% 0.860% 0.820% 0.390%
    Rise00 2.540% 6.690% 6.130% 6.420% 2.080%
    Rise150 3.510% 9.920% 10.850% 10.780% 3.810%
    RISE174 3.500% 9.620% 10.560% 10.980% 3.280%
    RISE395 4.570% 10.360% 11.780% 11.010% 3.900%
    RISE479 3.720% 8.460% 8.400% 8.350% 2.910%
    RISE493 7.910% 17.480% 18.380% 18.690% 8.990%
    RISE495 6.470% 13.790% 14.180% 14.930% 7.200%
    RISE496 4.770% 11.350% 11.800% 11.780% 4.720%
    RISE497 7.130% 14.890% 15.300% 15.730% 8.700%
    RISE499 3.370% 7.180% 7.530% 8.540% 2.860%
    RISE500 4.270% 9.050% 9.540% 10.290% 3.840%
    RISE502 2.930% 6.790% 7.050% 8.080% 2.810%
    RISE503 3.230% 6.380% 6.770% 6.970% 2.760%
    RISE504 2.890% 6.840% 7.250% 7.400% 3.630%
    RISE505 7.630% 16.840% 17.450% 18.320% 7.620%
    RISE509 2.940% 6.630% 6.150% 6.810% 2.610%
    RISE511 6.560% 13.390% 14.610% 14.750% 6.180%
    RISE523 5.370% 10.820% 11.120% 11.710% 5.240%
    RISE548 3.110% 6.800% 7.230% 7.200% 2.970%
    RISE552 4.450% 10.470% 10.620% 11.130% 4.500%
    RISE569 3.060% 6.930% 7.910% 7.690% 2.630%
    RISE577 2.720% 7.070% 7.430% 7.960% 2.580%
    RISE601 1.540% 3.510% 4.370% 4.770% 1.930%
    RISE602 1.690% 3.980% 4.340% 4.680% 1.940%
    RISE94 2.340% 5.690% 6.710% 6.880% 2.200%
    RISE97 2.780% 6.150% 6.500% 6.630% 2.210%
    RISE98 6.860% 15.670% 16.450% 17.910% 6.970%
    Bot15 2.360% 5.520% 6.480% 6.510% 3.580%
    Bot17 2.300% 5.270% 5.430% 5.690% 2.930%
    235.760% 509.270% 539.020% 556.470% 230.820%

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    The mt & Y groups at the top are the kits I ran the calculator against

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    To run the calculator, you download the calculator and then just click on your raw data files that you have saved in your files. You don't upload any of the data to the calculator. It took me a bit to figure it out.

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    I couldn't get it to spit out the whole run at once, but I could do it one at a time.

    Altai Neanderthal: .06
    Loschbour: 8.92
    LaBrana .40
    Malta 0
    KO1 .38
    LBK 18.35
    NE 1 16.33
    NE5 .30
    NE6 .98
    NE7 .91
    Gok 2 0
    CO1 .73
    BR1 .15
    BR2 17.99
    Iron Age I .12
    Hinxon- 0




    I'm "matchier" with some of the samples. Some of it I understand as it makes sense I would have more "EEF", but it's not across the board. I get low scores with some of the Neolithic farmer samples, but a "high"?one for LBK and NE1. I'll have to think about whether that might mean anything, i.e. different Neolithic waves, or just drift.



    My high scores with BR2 NE1 don't surprise me. My area of Italy correlates highly with those two samples in academic samples. I have to look up both of those Bronze Age samples and figure out the differences.

    The Hinxton scores also make sense.

    [IMG][/IMG]

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    Yes, I had to run them one at a time (quite a few runs) for 5 people for the whole list of samples. What I found interesting, was the 5th sample and the first sample were so similar in result percentages. The first one is most probably from Dutch heritage an, and the 2nd, 3rd and 4th were Germany, possibly Poland and England (in that order) but the middle three are more similar.

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    The % totals at the end were simply my being curious, but I have to wonder if that would be an indication of the amount of overlap with modern among the samples.

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    This is a sticky thread with some of the RISE numbers. When I have a chance I'll go through them and see if the ones from this calculator are in there.
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...th-kit-numbers

    If someone knows of another and perhaps more comprehensive list somewhere, it would be very helpful. I could either add it to this one or make another sticky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I couldn't get it to spit out the whole run at once, but I could do it one at a time.

    Altai Neanderthal: .06
    Loschbour: 8.92
    LaBrana .40
    Malta 0
    KO1 .38
    LBK 18.35
    NE 1 16.33
    NE5 .30
    NE6 .98
    NE7 .91
    Gok 2 0
    CO1 .73
    BR1 .15
    BR2 17.99
    Iron Age I .12
    Hinxon- 0




    I'm "matchier" with some of the samples. Some of it I understand as it makes sense I would have more "EEF", but it's not across the board. I get low scores with some of the Neolithic farmer samples, but a "high"?one for LBK and NE1. I'll have to think about whether that might mean anything, i.e. different Neolithic waves, or just drift.



    My high scores with BR2 NE1 don't surprise me. My area of Italy correlates highly with those two samples in academic samples. I have to look up both of those Bronze Age samples and figure out the differences.

    The Hinxton scores also make sense.

    [IMG][/IMG]

    Here's mine:



    @ Wheal

    Great calculator, thanks for finding it!

    Note: These were used with V5 23andme raw data.
    Last edited by Jovialis; 29-07-18 at 23:31. Reason: adding note

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here's mine:



    @ Wheal

    Great calculator, thanks for finding it!
    Thanks for posting, Jovialis. Let's hope some people from other parts of Europe post. I'd be interested to see German and Eastern European scores, and Spain and the Balkans too.

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    I also read a note somewhere on the website that said if you know where to get more samples to let him know and he would add them. Although it was quite a bit of work to compare, It was still an interesting calculator to use since it was by individual.

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    I've borrowed Jovialis's graph but was lazy to do all of them...
    The strongest one is NE1 - 22.06%


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    For convenience in case other people want to share their results; here's a list of all the sample populations in alphabetical order. The way I did it was that I put them in a google docs spread sheet. Then I auto-arranged it by the highest value. For clarity, I highlighted the percentages 1% or higher in a brighter yellow.

    ANCIENT DNA

    Ajvide 58
    Altai Neanderthal
    Australian Aboriginal
    Bot 15
    Bot 17
    BR1
    BR2
    Clovis Anzick-1
    CO1
    Denisova
    Gökhem2
    Hinxton-1
    Hinxton-2
    Hinxton-3
    Hinxton-4
    Hinxton-5
    IR1
    KO1
    Kostenki 14
    La Braña Arintero
    Linearbandkeramik
    Loschbour
    Mal'ta
    Motala12
    NE1
    NE5
    NE6
    NE7
    Paleo-Eskimo
    RISE00
    RISE150
    RISE174
    RISE395
    RISE479
    RISE493
    RISE497
    RISE499
    RISE500
    RISE502
    RISE503
    RISE504
    RISE505
    RISE509
    RISE511
    RISE523
    RISE548
    RISE552
    RISE569
    RISE577
    RISE601
    RISE602
    RISE94
    RISE97
    RISE98
    Ust-Ishim
    Vi33.16 Neanderthal
    Vi33.25 Neanderthal
    Vi33.26 Neanderthal

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    On line calculator from Genetic Geneology Tools blog

    @Jovialis
    If Linearbandkeramik is another name for LBK Stuggart, my old data from “Gedmatch Archaic Matches” matches yours top results by Hierarchy but doesn’t show the percentages.

    I compared your IMG to my Results.


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    Done. Here my results

    BR2 26.80
    NE1 26.67
    Linearbandkeramik 26.45
    Ust-Ishim 22.65
    Loschbour 21.81
    RISE493 18.83
    RISE505 17.75
    RISE98 16.59
    Clovis Anzick-1 16.57
    RISE497 14.87
    RISE511 13.98
    RISE495 13.82
    RISE552 10.91
    RISE496 10.79
    RISE523 9.77
    RISE150 9.67
    RISE395 9.60
    RISE174 9.37
    Kostenki14 8.87
    RISE500 8.71
    Motala 12 8.48
    RISE479 7.29
    RISE577 6.78
    NE6 6.70
    RISE569 6.54
    La Braña Arintero 6.51
    KO1 6.45
    RISE499 6.32
    Palaeo-Eskimo 6.28
    IR1 6.14
    RISE502 6.14
    NE7 5.88
    CO1 5.83
    RISE504 5.70
    RISE503 5.66
    RISE509 5.59
    Mal'ta 5.53
    NE5 5.24
    BR1 5.20
    RISE548 5.14
    Bot 15 4.68
    RISE00 4.63
    RISE94 4.48
    Bot 17 4.45
    RISE97 4.09
    Hinxton-4 4.04
    Australian Aboriginal 3.63
    RISE602 3.31
    RISE601 2.92
    Gökhem2 2.88
    Hinxton-3 2.32
    Hinxton-2 1.64
    Hinxton-1 1.57
    Hinxton-5 1.40
    Altaj Neanderthal 1.10
    Denisova 0.94
    Vi33.16 Neanderthal 0.69
    Vi33.26 Neanderthal 0.68
    Ajvide 58 0.64
    Vi33.25 Neanderthal 0.61

    1) typo: Ajvide 58 is 2.10
    2) this is the Total Shared DNA mode
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    [QUOTE=Stuvanè;550334]Done. Here my results

    BR2 26.80
    NE1 26.67
    Linearbandkeramik 26.45
    Ust-Ishim 22.65
    Loschbour 21.81
    RISE493 18.83
    RISE505 17.75
    RISE98 16.59
    Clovis Anzick-1 16.57
    RISE497 14.87
    RISE511 13.98
    RISE495 13.82
    RISE552 10.91
    RISE496 10.79
    RISE523 9.77
    RISE150 9.67
    RISE395 9.60
    RISE174 9.37
    Kostenki14 8.87
    RISE500 8.71
    Motala 12 8.48
    RISE479 7.29
    RISE577 6.78
    NE6 6.70
    RISE569 6.54
    La Braña Arintero 6.51
    KO1 6.45
    RISE499 6.32
    Palaeo-Eskimo 6.28
    IR1 6.14
    RISE502 6.14
    NE7 5.88
    CO1 5.83
    RISE504 5.70
    RISE503 5.66
    RISE509 5.59
    Mal'ta 5.53
    NE5 5.24
    BR1 5.20
    RISE548 5.14
    Bot 15 4.68
    RISE00 4.63
    RISE94 4.48
    Bot 17 4.45
    RISE97 4.09
    Hinxton-4 4.04
    Australian Aboriginal 3.63
    RISE602 3.31
    RISE601 2.92
    Gökhem2 2.88
    Hinxton-3 2.32
    Hinxton-2 1.64
    Hinxton-1 1.57
    Hinxton-5 1.40
    Altaj Neanderthal 1.10
    Denisova 0.94
    Vi33.16 Neanderthal 0.69
    Vi33.26 Neanderthal 0.68
    Ajvide 58 0.64
    Vi33.25 Neanderthal 0.61
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    Did you use v5 from 23andme?

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    [QUOTE=Angela;550335]
    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Done. Here my results

    BR2 26.80
    NE1 26.67
    Linearbandkeramik 26.45
    Ust-Ishim 22.65
    Loschbour 21.81
    RISE493 18.83
    RISE505 17.75
    RISE98 16.59
    Clovis Anzick-1 16.57
    RISE497 14.87
    RISE511 13.98
    RISE495 13.82
    RISE552 10.91
    RISE496 10.79
    RISE523 9.77
    RISE150 9.67
    RISE395 9.60
    RISE174 9.37
    Kostenki14 8.87
    RISE500 8.71
    Motala 12 8.48
    RISE479 7.29
    RISE577 6.78
    NE6 6.70
    RISE569 6.54
    La Braña Arintero 6.51
    KO1 6.45
    RISE499 6.32
    Palaeo-Eskimo 6.28
    IR1 6.14
    RISE502 6.14
    NE7 5.88
    CO1 5.83
    RISE504 5.70
    RISE503 5.66
    RISE509 5.59
    Mal'ta 5.53
    NE5 5.24
    BR1 5.20
    RISE548 5.14
    Bot 15 4.68
    RISE00 4.63
    RISE94 4.48
    Bot 17 4.45
    RISE97 4.09
    Hinxton-4 4.04
    Australian Aboriginal 3.63
    RISE602 3.31
    RISE601 2.92
    Gökhem2 2.88
    Hinxton-3 2.32
    Hinxton-2 1.64
    Hinxton-1 1.57
    Hinxton-5 1.40
    Altaj Neanderthal 1.10
    Denisova 0.94
    Vi33.16 Neanderthal 0.69
    Vi33.26 Neanderthal 0.68
    Ajvide 58 0.64
    Vi33.25 Neanderthal 0.61
    [/QUOTE

    Did you use v5 from 23andme?
    I suppose not, Angela.
    I used my last raw data downloaded about a year ago, but I did my 23andme test in the summer of 2014

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    [QUOTE=Stuvanè;550337]
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post

    I suppose not, Angela.
    I used my last raw data downloaded about a year ago, but I did my 23andme test in the summer of 2014
    Thanks, Stuvane. Yeah, I just re-ran some of the important samples using my v3 results and everything changed. It's so annoying and disheartening, both. Everytime I think a calculator is half way decent there's some catch.

    My "farmer" samples only went up a few points, so I still don't have scores as high as you for LBK or NEI or even BR1, but my WHG and ANE scores went way up.

    Loschbour: 14.69

    Mal'ta: 14.40

    I get matches with Hinxton, now too.

    These are huge differences. I'm sure the same thing would happen for Jovialis if he had v3.

    I'm starting to think the v5 leaves out too many alleles. It's useless comparing scores unless you're using the same iteration of the test. I'd test with FTDNA but I have no confidence at all in their results.

    Well, 23andme just wanted to sell our data to pharmaceuticals anyway. I don't know if they're being honest, but I never gave them the power to share my data with anyone, and, in fact, I told them to destroy the sample.

    Btw, did you ever test with Ancestry, and if you did what did you think?

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    [QUOTE=Angela;550339]
    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post

    Thanks, Stuvane. Yeah, I just re-ran some of the important samples using my v3 results and everything changed. It's so annoying and disheartening, both. Everytime I think a calculator is half way decent there's some catch.

    My "farmer" samples only went up a few points, so I still don't have scores as high as you for LBK or NEI or even BR1, but my WHG and ANE scores went way up.

    Loschbour: 14.69

    Mal'ta: 14.40

    I get matches with Hinxton, now too.

    These are huge differences. I'm sure the same thing would happen for Jovialis if he had v3.

    I'm starting to think the v5 leaves out too many alleles. It's useless comparing scores unless you're using the same iteration of the test. I'd test with FTDNA but I have no confidence at all in their results.

    Well, 23andme just wanted to sell our data to pharmaceuticals anyway. I don't know if they're being honest, but I never gave them the power to share my data with anyone, and, in fact, I told them to destroy the sample.

    Btw, did you ever test with Ancestry, and if you did what did you think?
    No Ancestry test, Angela. Maybe in the future, with more affordable prices ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post

    Thanks, Stuvane. Yeah, I just re-ran some of the important samples using my v3 results and everything changed. It's so annoying and disheartening, both. Everytime I think a calculator is half way decent there's some catch.

    My "farmer" samples only went up a few points, so I still don't have scores as high as you for LBK or NEI or even BR1, but my WHG and ANE scores went way up.

    Loschbour: 14.69

    Mal'ta: 14.40

    I get matches with Hinxton, now too.

    These are huge differences. I'm sure the same thing would happen for Jovialis if he had v3.

    I'm starting to think the v5 leaves out too many alleles. It's useless comparing scores unless you're using the same iteration of the test. I'd test with FTDNA but I have no confidence at all in their results.

    Well, 23andme just wanted to sell our data to pharmaceuticals anyway. I don't know if they're being honest, but I never gave them the power to share my data with anyone, and, in fact, I told them to destroy the sample.

    Btw, did you ever test with Ancestry, and if you did what did you think?
    Yeah I think so as well. I did use V5 of 23andme for the runs.

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    would be very interesting to see how non Europeans score in this
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    would be very interesting to see how non Europeans score in this
    Location, age, sex, and Haplogroup of the Ancient DNA Samples.

    http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html?m=0

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