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    Ancient Lybians seem to have had a higher percentage of light pigmented individuals and if considering that modern Berbers have significant later Near Eastern and even Subsaharan admixture, practically all of them, the high incidence of light skin, but even light eye and hair color among them is even more telling. There are people which attributed this to Greeks, Romans and Germanics, but the ancient Egyptian sources tell us they looked not just similar then, but were even lighter.

    So the fact remains that the Berbers, and even some Guanches, had at least significant amounts of light coloration allels, even if they might have been never the majority. So the idea of light skin pigmentation being spread by late incomers is wrong, it was present among E1b1b dominated North Africans already, latest in Neolithic times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Ancient Lybians seem to have had a higher percentage of light pigmented individuals and if considering that modern Berbers have significant later Near Eastern and even Subsaharan admixture, practically all of them, the high incidence of light skin, but even light eye and hair color among them is even more telling. There are people which attributed this to Greeks, Romans and Germanics, but the ancient Egyptian sources tell us they looked not just similar then, but were even lighter.

    So the fact remains that the Berbers, and even some Guanches, had at least significant amounts of light coloration allels, even if they might have been never the majority. So the idea of light skin pigmentation being spread by late incomers is wrong, it was present among E1b1b dominated North Africans already, latest in Neolithic times.

    all Egyptian murals depict Libyans as very fair skin compared to all others that they painted...............early middle eastern marker was by the Phoenicians, firstly around circa 800BC , but this was virtually eliminated by roman migration and later vandal and visigoth settlements .................the arabs arrived circa 650AD
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4o
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Here are the top 5 closest modern matches according to the original Dodecad K12b spreadsheet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here are the top 5 closest modern matches according to the original Dodecad K12b spreadsheet.

    Apart from sample I1171 which is ydna E ......all the other males are ydna T-CTS2214 ............it seems there are no more than only 2 families apart from the E .....can you say this is more so with your admixture results?

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    Is there something new regarding this study? Were these ancient blue-eyed people from Iran or another land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shahmiri View Post
    Is there something new regarding this study? Were these ancient blue-eyed people from Iran or another land?
    I never heard they where from Iran .......when was this said

    It was always stated they came from North East Asia Minor ( anatolia ) on the black sea

    they are all related , they have the same snp of CTS2214 ( also found later in northern Spain on the atlantic coast ) .............the E ydna found with the group looks like a husband of one of the women whose father/brothers are T

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I never heard they where from Iran .......when was this said

    It was always stated they came from North East Asia Minor ( anatolia ) on the black sea

    they are all related , they have the same snp of CTS2214 ( also found later in northern Spain on the atlantic coast ) .............the E ydna found with the group looks like a husband of one of the women whose father/brothers are T
    Anomalous blue-eyed people came to Israel 6,500 years ago from Iran, DNA shows: https://www.timesofisrael.com/anomal...ran-dna-shows/

    Is it wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shahmiri View Post
    Anomalous blue-eyed people came to Israel 6,500 years ago from Iran, DNA shows: https://www.timesofisrael.com/anomal...ran-dna-shows/
    Is it wrong?

    yep

    Admixture always shows

    generated genome-wide ancient DNA from 22 individuals from Peqi’in Cave,Israel. These individuals were part of a homogeneous population that can be modeled as
    deriving ~57% of its ancestry from groups related to those of the local Levant Neolithic, ~17%
    from groups related to those of the Iran Chalcolithic, and ~26% from groups related to those
    of the Anatolian Neolithic.


    iran part is the least of the others

    and another paper
    Our finding that the Levant_ChL population can be well-modeled as a three-way admixture between Levant_N (57%), Anatolia_N (26%), and Iran_ChL (17%),

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    Given that the expansion of Semitic languages in the Middle East – like that of Anatolian languages from the north – must have happened after ca. 3100 BC, coinciding with the collapse of the Uruk period, these Chalcolithic north Levant peoples are probably not related to the posterior Semitic expansion in the region.

    On the other hand, while their ancestry points to neighbouring regional origins, their haplogroup T1a1a (probably T1a1a1b2)




    Their prevalent Y-DNA haplogroup, probably in twelve of thirteen samples reported, isT1a1a1b2-CTS2214 (formed ca. 6700 BC, TMRCA ca. 6700 BC), with only one sample of E1b1b1b2-Z830 subclade,

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    On the other hand, while their ancestry points to neighbouring regional origins, their haplogroup T1a1a (probably T1a1a1b2)


    the group is part of this...see paper

    https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...showall%3Dtrue

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    The e-z830 dude was maybe
    A neolithic levant remmant who survived by luck🤔
    Could it be that the people who belonged to y haplogroup T brought with them the iran chalcolithic type ancestery along with blue eyes allells ?
    From e-L791 dude from anthrogenica:
    -Y60961 > E-Y62418 has 2 Sephardic branches, related within the last 3,000 years. They have no other known Jewish connections within the last 7,700 ye

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Could it be that the people who belonged to y haplogroup T brought with them the iran chalcolithic type ancestery along with blue eyes allells ?
    I think the yDNA T probably came with the Anatolian Neolithic ancestry. Around the same as these people appear in Israel, another population with T-M184 appear in Morocco (Kelif el Boroud), coming from Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    yep

    Admixture always shows

    generated genome-wide ancient DNA from 22 individuals from Peqi’in Cave,Israel. These individuals were part of a homogeneous population that can be modeled as
    deriving ~57% of its ancestry from groups related to those of the local Levant Neolithic, ~17%
    from groups related to those of the Iran Chalcolithic, and ~26% from groups related to those
    of the Anatolian Neolithic.


    iran part is the least of the others

    and another paper
    Our finding that the Levant_ChL population can be well-modeled as a three-way admixture between Levant_N (57%), Anatolia_N (26%), and Iran_ChL (17%),
    I read it but it says Only the model including Levant_N and Iran_ChL remains plausible under all conditions.. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9 Is it also wrong?!

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