MOESAN
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I think some afanasievo and okunevo people had brown hair with brown eye and blue eye also. Right?
So, we can think that so many people had lived with blonde hairs in the huge areas from lake baikal to East Europe at that time. And blue eyes was kept from afanasievo to okunevo, which means, I think, that the other local people also had the blue eye genes at the Altai. As WHG blue eyes were wiped out by farmers, blue eyes could not be produced in Europe at that time. In other words, just small slaves or andronovo people with recessive light gene could not make locals in siberia, mongolia, and south central asian people to have light eyes and light hairs, I think.
I 'll not repeat the Ygorcs's arguments - just I find very light your proves here above
1- I don't know what cultures are in cause (except Okunevo, too much abbreviations)
2- I don't know what sites of these cultures are in cause (by instance, Okunevo of Tuva was for the most of 'europoid' stock, compared to other Okunevo sites, spite very far East itself
3- here the great majorities of these people here have got brown (dark) eyes
4- here the blue eyed ones are among people with Y-R1b6M269 and Y-R1a1-Z93
5- there would not be blond haired but the majority of supposed middle brown haired ones are amog Y-R1b-M269 and Y-R1a1-Z93
It's true some Y-R1 have eastern mt-DNA -but the Y-Q1a3 with intermediate eyes has mt-U - BTW the two blue eyed in Y-R1b are mt-H and mt-J, "european" -
As a whole, this table spite interesting, is very VERY too SMALL concerning some specific SNP's to make solid conclusions. So my own observations about colours and Y-haplo's in a mixed pop are without too much weight statistically.
I never know of a rather blond or rather blue eyed Mongolic pops; just someones in mixed pops with strong Slavic or proto-Iranic input whatever the past.
and "recessive"? What sense has it here? Recessive alleles can be passed from a pop A to a pop B very easily if it 's selectioned (mesologic or social-sexual pressure)
I don't know what you were trying to prove but you miss the goal, I think, with this only table. No offense.
I repeat mutations for light pigmentation could have been born in some borderline pop with weighty ANE making but the evidence today is that these mutations gave success only among rather 'europoid' pop. (I don't speak here of the blond hairs of some Australoids); the quasi lack of blond haired brown eyed people even at the individual level discards I think that the all the blue eyes mutations were born among black haired pops.
What remains possible is that a mutation light haires-light-eyes occurred among some North Central Asian pops (strong for Y-N1?) and could have had a cumulative effects with other "europoid" mutations producing what we find among Western Finns: but here again, this very speculative success occurred only in the Western parts of the Uralic world, were these ancestors mixed deeply with 'europoids' under certain same conditions.