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    What is Y-chromosome haplogroup of cheddar man? Mt haplogroup is published and I have not found info on Y-chromosome.

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    I think it should be I2 or C, yet I have missed his mtdna paper so is it U?

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    His MtDNA was U5, but I don't think his Y haplogroup has ever been identified (or at least it has not been publicized).

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    Ancient mtDNA is easier to obtain. It's much more difficult to get a good coverage autosomal sample from ancient remains.

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    The Mesolithic Spanish Hunter - Gatherer LaBrana Man carried Y-DNA C6. Its very likely that Cheddar Man also carried this Haplogroup. Haplogroup C originated in South Asia. Their MTDNA was U5. MTDNA U is a Middle Eastern Haplogroup in origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblob View Post
    The Mesolithic Spanish Hunter - Gatherer LaBrana Man carried Y-DNA C6. Its very likely that Cheddar Man also carried this Haplogroup. Haplogroup C originated in South Asia. Their MTDNA was U5. MTDNA U is a Middle Eastern Haplogroup in origin.
    C6 is not an accurate way to describe Y-DNA. Chances are you are quoting very old ISOGG nomenclature. Use SNPs such as C-V20.

    https://yfull.com/tree/C/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marek View Post
    What is Y-chromosome haplogroup of cheddar man? Mt haplogroup is published and I have not found info on Y-chromosome.
    I have DNA matches with both him and Chewing gum girl Lola from Syltholm Denmark

    I proudly share partly same Y-DNA (I) and mtDna (U5b) with mr. Cheddar

    The information is from MyTrueAncestry.

    Cheddar Man Somerset England

    Cheddar (7150 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: I2a2


    Genetic Distance: 19.415
    Sample Match! 97% closer than others users

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivar of Rasa Bol View Post
    I have DNA matches with both him and Chewing gum girl Lola from Syltholm Denmark

    I proudly share partly same Y-DNA (I) and mtDna (U5b) with mr. Cheddar

    The information is from MyTrueAncestry.

    Cheddar Man Somerset England

    Cheddar (7150 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: I2a2


    Genetic Distance: 19.415
    Sample Match! 97% closer than others users
    You think a distance of 19 is a close match????


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    You think a distance of 19 is a close match????
    Well, I did not say so. But the Big Thing for me is to know, that we share "the same" ancient parents

    MTA says: Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.
    • 10 means this is your ancient ancestry
    • 20 means this is part of your ancestral link
    • 30 means possibly related to your ancestry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivar of Rasa Bol View Post
    I have DNA matches with both him and Chewing gum girl Lola from Syltholm Denmark

    I proudly share partly same Y-DNA (I) and mtDna (U5b) with mr. Cheddar

    The information is from MyTrueAncestry.

    Cheddar Man Somerset England

    Cheddar (7150 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: I2a2


    Genetic Distance: 19.415
    Sample Match! 97% closer than others users
    Yes, Cheddar Man's mitochondrial haplogroup was clarified by the recent Natural History Museum research as U5b1, it was previously thought to be U5a, which may have been from contamination or out dated testing methodology, if someone could update the U5 page on Eupedia that would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblob View Post
    The Mesolithic Spanish Hunter - Gatherer LaBrana Man carried Y-DNA C6. Its very likely that Cheddar Man also carried this Haplogroup. Haplogroup C originated in South Asia. Their MTDNA was U5. MTDNA U is a Middle Eastern Haplogroup in origin.
    It seems every mt haplo is Middle eastern!!! a well known path for migrations from South into Europe (not by force the only one). But it is no more a typical Middle East haplo, if it has ever been, it depends on subclades. Subclades are of weight here, to "qualifiy" them. Everyone has its story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    It seems every mt haplo is Middle eastern!!! a well known path for migrations from South into Europe (not by force the only one). But it is no more a typical Middle East haplo, if it has ever been, it depends on subclades. Subclades are of weight here, to "qualifiy" them. Everyone has its story.

    cheddar is only 10000yo IIRC

    What about...human skull over 45,000 years old from Zlatý kůň in Czechia

    My guess has always been that Eurasians are the oldest humans

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-021-01443-x

    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
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    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
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