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    Quote Originally Posted by exceededminimumso.. View Post
    that russian speaking germans vote for the afd is wrong. according to a study they gave 15% of their votes for the afd. that is almost the same as the whole population gave to the afd(12.6%). it was probably just false information. probably also intentionally with a political goal.

    the ARD, the brodcasting network of the german state, commented the study and said that the % could be up to 5% higher because of "underreporting" in surveys about the afd. but the ARD is also extremely anti-afd with many anti afd experts and reporters. and before this study was released they made a report about how conservative, indoctrinated by russian propaganda, russian germans are and that many supposedly vote for afd.
    the first sentences are(my translation) "for decades russian germans were considered as a good example for immigrants. now this has come to an end."

    or "the longing for german culture and christian tradition contracdicts the multicultural reality."
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    however we can also turn this around. 35% of german turks voted for spd(20.5% in the whole population), 16% voted for "die linke", "the left",(8.6% in the whole population), 13% voted for "die gr√ľne" "the green one", (8% in the whole population). the second generation voted even more for the left parties.

    kurds, who are a subgroup of german turks, voted with 37% for "the left".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    that russian speaking germans vote for the afd is wrong. according to a study they gave 15% of their votes for the afd. that is almost the same as the whole population gave to the afd(12.6%). it was probably just false information. probably also intentionally with a political goal.

    the ARD, the brodcasting network of the german state, commented the study and said that the % could be up to 5% higher because of "underreporting" in surveys about the afd. but the ARD is also extremely anti-afd with many anti afd experts and reporters. and before this study was released they made a report about how conservative, indoctrinated by russian propaganda, russian germans are and that many supposedly vote for afd.
    the first sentences are(my translation) "for decades russian germans were considered a good example for immigrants. now this has come to an end."
    and are 5 % of German voters of Russian origin? is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    and are 5 % of German voters of Russian origin? is that correct?
    https://www.uni-due.de/migrantenwahlstudie/
    according to the people who made the survey there are 2.4 million german citizens who came from the sovjet union or from former sovjet regions while there are 75 million german citizens in total. 1.5 of those germans with russian origin are able to vote while there are 61 million people who are able to vote in total. so no i don't think that they make up 5% of the voters. if we include all people with a sovjet background, german citizens or not, then we might be at 5% of the total population.
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    In 2016-2017 Germany accepted 1.9 million foreigners. Poland during the same time took 1.2 million (in vast majority Ukrainians). Germany has 82 million people in total, Poland 38 million. So, proportionally to total population, Poland has more of recent immigrants.

    Source: http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/histor...-osadnicy.html

    In Germany recent immigration causes political upheaval and protests. In Poland, no such problems. Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    https://www.uni-due.de/migrantenwahlstudie/
    according to the people who made the survey there are 2.4 million german citizens who came from the sovjet union or from former sovjet regions while there are 75 million german citizens in total.
    Aren't they mostly ethnic Germans from Russia, though?

    On the other hand, most of them are not fully German.

    For example on another forum there is a user from Russia who is 6/8 ethnic Russian and only 1/8 German (his grandfather is 1/2 German from Latvia and Estonia in what was then the Russian Empire) and he is eligible to get the status of "Spštaussiedler" of ethnic German origin in Germany.

    The same user from Russia is also 1/8 Polish (two grandparents 1/4 Polish each). However, according to Polish law you have to be at least 1/4 Polish (either one Polish grandparent or two Polish great-grandparents) in order to be legally recognized as a "person of Polish origin":

    https://www.lexlege.pl/ustawa-o-repatriacji/art-5/

    So he is not eligible to get Karta Polaka (Pole's Card): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karta_Polaka

    On the other hand, it is not so much about "blood" but rather about identity (you have to prove that one of your grandparents or two of your great-grandparents are/were people who identify as part of the "Polish Nation"). But I think in German law it is also about identity of ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    https://www.uni-due.de/migrantenwahlstudie/
    according to the people who made the survey there are 2.4 million german citizens who came from the sovjet union or from former sovjet regions while there are 75 million german citizens in total. 1.5 of those germans with russian origin are able to vote while there are 61 million people who are able to vote in total. so no i don't think that they make up 5% of the voters. if we include all people with a sovjet background, german citizens or not, then we might be at 5% of the total population.
    and Sovjet Union is not the same as Russian

    in short, this is fake news

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    Niklas Frank has the same right to speak as the writers of the Guardian article that you have quoted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It's not rational to trash an entire people like this, and I don't care if he is German himself. No people as a whole is "without empathy". There is probably a genetic component to most traits, but other factors are involved as well. He's talking about some sort of genetic determinism if you really boil it down.

    Plus, the Germans are not one genetic monolithic bloc anyway. In fact, there's more variety than there is in a lot of other groups, as we've pointed out in other threads: East Germans are quite a bit different from southern and western Germans who are again different from northern Germans.

    I'm always leery of people who claim to know what "the majority" feel. That's no kind of real evidentiary proof. As for people turning to a strong leader when things go bad, I think that's a danger in a lot of countries. It's not particular to Germans.

    To me, he seems to be operating from emotion, not logic.

    I have repeatedly stopped people from trashing other nationalities. Germans are not going to be the exception.

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    My guess: It has to do with properly vetting people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    In 2016-2017 Germany accepted 1.9 million foreigners. Poland during the same time took 1.2 million (in vast majority Ukrainians). Germany has 82 million people in total, Poland 38 million. So, proportionally to total population, Poland has more of recent immigrants.

    Source: http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/histor...-osadnicy.html

    In Germany recent immigration causes political upheaval and protests. In Poland, no such problems. Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firetown View Post
    Niklas Frank has the same right to speak as the writers of the Guardian article that you have quoted.
    Stop with the illogical straw man arguments. Who said he doesn't have the right to speak????


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    Far right and far left whether, always were and are present in Europe. Why Germany would be an exception!

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    The real reality about East germany, or more accurately, east german Landers, they have the highest unpemployement rate of germany. The dont have work, they dont have a lot of money and they see the governement welcome immigrants for a reason that only George Soros knows, and get money without working. Put yourself at their place, they are native and their own people are helping peoples who are strangers to them about every single details but being homo sapiens, they dont bring anything positive but low salary employement. Wich once again only concerns George Soros and some individuals. Why am i talking so much about George Soros? He basically founded and capitalized every Pro-Migrants ONG that are working in Europe. Today he made a drastic mistake, he publically called out Hungary and therefore told to all Europeans, why Migrants are here.

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