King Richard III

The original Turi King article just said G2a-P278. However, the supplement provides all the STR data and snp data. Someone knowledgeable could make a run at it.

https://media.nature.com/original/n...14/141202/ncomms6631/extref/ncomms6631-s1.pdf

As for the mtDna it seems to be rock solid. There's also some indication that the mutation is particular to them. So, if you share it, you're related. Not bad, being related to Cecily Neville.

From FTDNA:
[FONT=&quot]Our King Richard III project (mtDNA J1c2c3) has reached a significant milestone with the publication of our work in England. 13 of the 20 perfect matches in the world are in FTDNA.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The paper is available at: [/FONT]http://www.qualifiedgenealogists.org...rticle/view/32

[FONT=&quot]This brings the project to a level of National and International interest while, at the same time, the local genealogy (NE North Carolina and SE Virginia) has new paths to explore. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The project results (some going beyond this first paper) are significant and include:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1. An overwhelming piece of evidence for the bones of King Richard III[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. J1c2c3 may have been born in England in the Plantagenet Family[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. Why there are no J1c2c3 matches in Europe[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4. All living J1c2c3 people are likely to be related to the immediate family of King Richard III[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5. The DNA ancestry of the United States is heavily weighted to the Jamestown settlement and the Plantagenets.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]These 5 points are discussed in another research paper at:[/FONT]
http://www.historysoft.com/richard3/J1c2c3_points.pdf
 
Angela said:
The original Turi King article just said G2a-P278. However, the supplement provides all the STR data and snp data. Someone knowledgeable could make a run at it.

https://media.nature.com/original/n...14/141202/ncomms6631/extref/ncomms6631-s1.pdf

As for the mtDna it seems to be rock solid. There's also some indication that the mutation is particular to them. So, if you share it, you're related. Not bad, being related to Cecily Neville.

From FTDNA:
Our King Richard III project (mtDNA J1c2c3) has reached a significant milestone with the publication of our work in England. 13 of the 20 perfect matches in the world are in FTDNA.

The paper is available at: http://www.qualifiedgenealogists.org...rticle/view/32

This brings the project to a level of National and International interest while, at the same time, the local genealogy (NE North Carolina and SE Virginia) has new paths to explore.

The project results (some going beyond this first paper) are significant and include:

1. An overwhelming piece of evidence for the bones of King Richard III
2. J1c2c3 may have been born in England in the Plantagenet Family
3. Why there are no J1c2c3 matches in Europe
4. All living J1c2c3 people are likely to be related to the immediate family of King Richard III
5. The DNA ancestry of the United States is heavily weighted to the Jamestown settlement and the Plantagenets.

These 5 points are discussed in another research paper at:
http://www.historysoft.com/richard3/J1c2c3_points.pdf
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G2a3b1a is more common in european than other branch of G2a.
 
kmak said:
G2a3b1a is more common in european than other branch of G2a.
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Well, that's hardly proof. Remember also that the line was established by Geoffrey of Anjou, an area where other types of G might not be so uncommon.

Regardless, if you're so interested, you should get someone to run the strs and see if something more resolved can be suggested.
 
Angela said:
Well, that's hardly proof. Remember also that the line was established by Geoffrey of Anjou, an area where other types of G might not be so uncommon.

Regardless, if you're so interested, you should get someone to run the strs and see if something more resolved can be suggested.
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Angela, I can't see the paper now. Could you please post his STR markers? I can try to do a prediction later, in my free time.
 
@Angel
Thanks.
It's a tough one. Unfortunately, we don't have his result for DYS388, which would be a good evidence for or against G-L497, the most common in UK. About 96/97% of the G-L497s have the DYS388=13, and about 96/97% of the G men non-G-L497 have a different result for DYS388. The following source says his results are closest to some G-U1's, but that G-M406 would be also a possibility:
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/g-u1/about/news (see 05 December 2014)
I didn't have access to G-M406 results, then I couldn't compare them, but I agree G-U1 is a good possibility. However, imo, G-L497 itself is also a possibility, and I'd say there is a tiny chance even of G-PF3147. So, still imo, his published STR results are far from conclusive. A BAM file would help.
 
I know the original post was regarding Richard III's y-dna haplogroup, but his mtDNA subclade being so rare is interesting. Richard III's earliest known maternal ancestor was Katherine Swynford, born to a herald who should have done a better job recording his wife's genealogy. Katherine was likely born in Belgium, the province of Hainaut.
 
All things considered, it is much more likely for the present Duke of Beaufort to be illegitimate than King Richard III himself. I suppose digging up old bodies isn't really an option, is it? :D
 
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