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    Old Macedonian Capital in Albania?



    Old Macedonian Capital in Albania?

    Peaks of Shala is an account of Rose Wilder Lane's travels through the highlands of northern Albania in 1921.

    These pages are from chapter 10, where she meets an old man in Theth that recounts oral history about Alexander the Great's birthplace, his family tree, where Albanians came from to Europe, and when.

    This account is to be taken seriously since the old man speaks of a time when the black sea had no water in it, and mentions a great rain, water rising from the earth, and many tribes drowning. This was in 1921 made by an illiterate highlander, who was continuing an oral tradition passed down in song. He could have not known of the legitimate Black Sea flooding hypotheses that exist with very serious evidence behind it.

    Likewise impressive is his account of Alexanders family tree. There are many people that study classics that don't know Alexander's family tree past Phillip, let alone the listing of 21 names (and many of the names he lists are compatible with the scholarly consensus today, although its precisely the ones that don't match that should be of great interest for investigation).

    And finally, the old man makes a concrete falsifiable claim of the location of the old Macedonian capital, not in Pela but in Mati in Albania. Not only is this falsifiable and actionable information, Rose Wilder Lane herself notes beneath the text that she did go visit this place and see the signs of fortifications, possible megaliths, etc.


    All this is something meriting further investigation.















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    It should be noted that all these parts and more were removed in the British edition of the book.


    Only in the original American Harper & brothers edition can these passages be found. In case anybody goes out to buy the book..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Old Macedonian Capital in Albania?

    Peaks of Shala is an account of Rose Wilder Lane's travels through the highlands of northern Albania in 1921.

    These pages are from chapter 10, where she meets an old man in Theth that recounts oral history about Alexander the Great's birthplace, his family tree, where Albanians came from to Europe, and when.

    This account is to be taken seriously since the old man speaks of a time when the black sea had no water in it, and mentions a great rain, water rising from the earth, and many tribes drowning. This was in 1921 made by an illiterate highlander, who was continuing an oral tradition passed down in song. He could have not known of the legitimate Black Sea flooding hypotheses that exist with very serious evidence behind it.

    Likewise impressive is his account of Alexanders family tree. There are many people that study classics that don't know Alexander's family tree past Phillip, let alone the listing of 21 names (and many of the names he lists are compatible with the scholarly consensus today, although its precisely the ones that don't match that should be of great interest for investigation).

    And finally, the old man makes a concrete falsifiable claim of the location of the old Macedonian capital, not in Pela but in Mati in Albania. Not only is this falsifiable and actionable information, Rose Wilder Lane herself notes beneath the text that she did go visit this place and see the signs of fortifications, possible megaliths, etc.


    All this is something meriting further investigation.















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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Old Macedonian Capital in Albania?
    EERY! My grandfather used to claim his father told him Alexander was either born in Mati or Diber Vogel and not Macedonia. I just took it as Albanian talk, but now you mentioning this old man referencing Mati, who they couldn't have known of makes me wonder!

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    Interesting and correct.
    Last edited by Fatherland; 15-07-19 at 03:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    Interesting and correct.
    Yeah. I also think so.

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    What makes this even more interesting is that J2b2-L283 was found near the Black Sea and Barleti mentions the same migration route

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    Quote Originally Posted by Besa View Post
    What makes this even more interesting is that J2b2-L283 was found near the Black Sea and Barleti mentions the same migration route
    Yeah, and the light-blue area was all land in 5,600BC. The dark-blue area used to be a freshwater lake, before it was flooded by seawater from the Mediterranean, during a massive catastrophe.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...uge_hypothesis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    Yeah, and the light-blue area was all land in 5,600BC. The dark-blue area used to be a freshwater lake, before it was flooded by seawater from the Mediterranean, during a massive catastrophe.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...uge_hypothesis
    That was the most interesting part of the oral legend. Regardless of what inconsistencies may or may not be present. Elements of the story itself are quite telling.

    The cycle repeats itself constantly.

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