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    about finder family E-L241

    Can you help me to understand my finder family and the lineage of my ancestors after leaving the Balkans if we relied on this Marker DYS393 DYS390 DYS19 ** DYS391 DYS385 DYS426 DYS388 DYS439 DYS389I DYS392 DYS389II *** Value 13 24 13 9 16-16 11 12 12 13 11 30 PANEL 2 (13-25) Marker DYS458 DYS459 DYS455 DYS454 DYS447 DYS437 DYS448 DYS449 DYS464 Value 15 9-9 11 11 26 14 20 32 16-16-17-17 PANEL 3 (26-37) Marker DYS460 Y-GATA-H4 YCAII DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 DYS570 CDY DYS442 DYS438 Value 9 11 19-21 15 12 17 20 34-36 11 10 .my haplogroup is E-L241.this are the results of ancestral origins
    Autosomal Results Y-DNA - Ancestral Origins
    12 Marker
    GENETIC DISTANCE -1
    Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
    Algeria 1 314 0.3%
    Czech Republic 1 1318 0.1%
    England 13 41933 < 0.1 %
    France 2 6704 < 0.1 %
    Germany 9 22340 < 0.1 %
    Greece 1 1363 0.1%
    Italy 4 6128 0.1%
    Libya 2 276 0.7%
    Macedonia 1 155 0.6%
    Netherlands 1 2949 < 0.1 %
    Poland 2 7143 < 0.1 %
    Portugal 1 1907 0.1%
    Puerto Rico 1 349 0.3% MDKO: Puerto Rico (1)
    Romania 1 943 0.1%
    Saudi Arabia 1 6633 < 0.1 %
    Scotland 1 19751 < 0.1 %
    Switzerland 1 3303 < 0.1 %
    Syrian Arab Republic 1 472 0.2%
    Ukraine 1 3329 < 0.1 %
    United Kingdom 5 14965 < 0.1 %
    United States 2 14751 < 0.1 % MDKO: United States (1)
    Wales 1 3369 < 0.1 %
    25 Marker
    GENETIC DISTANCE -2
    Country Match Total Country Total Percentage Comments
    Croatia 1 288 0.3%
    England 2 35769 < 0.1 %
    Germany 1 16550 < 0.1 %
    Greece 1 679 0.1%
    Kosovo 1 61 1.6%
    Ukraine 1 2507 < 0.1 %
    United Kingdom 1 10977 < 0.1 %
    Last edited by DJERBIEN; 15-09-18 at 00:05.

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    Hello, it is interesting to see the L241 there. About it's origins, well there are several affinities L241 seems to have, NW Balkans, NE Balkans, and for some it is Greece. Additionally L241 is found from the East to the West fof Europe.. Unfortunately not too many Greeks have been tested for deeper clades (well none of L241's ), and closest to you is an L241 Greek from Messinia, 5/37, you also share with him somewhat unusual values for L241 on CDY, 34-36 and 33-36, that also points to me that you are likely related. Would you consider doing some SNP tests under L241, because I couldn't really classify this Greek and fit him into existing branches well, I suspect you might form a new L241 branch with him. I think they have all main branches at both ftdna and YSEQ.


    Of course Greek activities were attested in North Africa so it would make sense. Connection with Dorians is a very real possibility for Greek L241 branches.
    Your have some off-modal values like dys391=9 and dys385b=16 which might indicate greater distance than would 5/37 match suggest, it is difficult with 37 STR's to judge the distance for L241.
    In addition to this L241+ Greek there is another Greek from Peloponnese which looks like L241 and also one from Euboea. Also there is one from Cyprus and great many Cypriot haplotypes from scientific studies are certainly connected to him. I think I managed to identify his likely branch under L241, however him and these other likely L241's are not so close to you.

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    ^^

    There is actually a Gheg sample from Ferri et al (ht33) with those odd values 391=9 and 385a/b=16-16. Res is low and he has 393=14 but there is a possibility that he too is L241 and a real match to this fella.

    Would be nice if he does some SNP testing or better yet gets the BigY.
    Last edited by Leka; 15-09-18 at 18:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leka View Post
    ^^

    There is actually a Gheg sample on Ferri et al (ht33) with those odd values 391=9 and 385a/b=16-16. Res is low and he has 393=14 but there is a possibility that he too is L241 and a real match to this fella.

    Would be nice if he does some SNP testing or better yet gets the BigY.
    Yes, that is interesting. With L241 it is generally hard to guess sub-branch on anything but high-res. It's too bad none of these older studies dealing with Albanians/Arberesh were on YFiler Plus (23 STR's), because YFiler Plus includes dys643, and almost all L241 have dys643=13/14 as modal. Newer studies are often with 23 STR's, but I see a brand new study involving Albanians from Macedonia was done with YFiler Plus, which is again tough luck for L241 because while it has even more STR's, dys643 isn't one of them..

    There is also a new unspecified clade of L241 consisting of Serbs from Western Bosnia and Croatia, their cluster is E-L241*(BY5650-,BY5675-,A7065-,Z38770-,PH2180-), in literature they are usually designated as "old" in the area so they are probably natives. As I was saying already, they might have something to do with people like Iapodes (and I'm not saying this only because they fit geographically).

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    I add another information :my family's name is ( Seclani).is there a relation between Messinia in Greece and sicilia in south of Italy and the name (Seclani )?I try to relate between the genealogy and the the names of families .thank you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJERBIEN View Post
    I add another information :my family's name is ( Seclani).is there a relation between Messinia in Greece and sicilia in south of Italy and the name (Seclani )?I try to relate between the genealogy and the the names of families .thank you .
    Interesting. :) Well I know in Arabic Sicily is Siqilliyya, so it seems your family name might have Sicily in its root. In the case of arrival from there you might have something to do with Greek colonies on Sicily. For example in Syracuse, ancient Greek colony, E-V13 is at 11 %. Or alternatively if you cluster with Albanians, there were many Arberesh in Sicily who arrived there in Medieval times.
    Modern city of Messina (NE Sicily) derives its name from the Greek Messena, so there were Greek settlers from Messinia too.

    In the case of earlier antiquity arrival, you could still have something to do with some Greek colonies there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspurg View Post
    Interesting. :) Well I know in Arabic Sicily is Siqilliyya, so it seems your family name might have Sicily in its root. In the case of arrival from there you might have something to do with Greek colonies on Sicily. For example in Syracuse, ancient Greek colony, E-V13 is at 11 %. Or alternatively if you cluster with Albanians, there were many Arberesh in Sicily who arrived there in Medieval times.
    Modern city of Messina (NE Sicily) derives its name from the Greek Messena, so there were Greek settlers from Messinia too.

    In the case of earlier antiquity arrival, you could still have something to do with some Greek colonies there..
    Piracy was also big business and sometimes raids took whole village populations on their galleys to be sold as slaves. Maybe at some time some Slaves (unless they bought their release for usually a large some of money) could have integrated with the local populations. Example for hundreds of years the North of Malta was no mens land due to the frequent attacks by north African Corsairs. Even when the Knights of St John ruled the Maltese Islands, defense was still a big problem and the population preferred to remain in safer areas round the grand Harbour and the inner old captial Mdina, that were both well defended. Southern European countries also engaged in piracy which generated lots of wealth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

    https://vassallohistory.wordpress.co...iiith-century/

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