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    Danish admixture in Poland?

    Some of Iron Age Poles were autosomally like Iron Age Jutland:

    http://www.actabp.pl/#Archiwum?./supl/2_2018.html



    ^^^ I guess it explains Denmark in my DNA Tribes results?:



    Increased mobility in Iron Age Europe:

    http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114...3/F4.large.jpg



    "We also infer that this Holocene rise in mobility occurred in at least three distinct stages: the first centering on the well-known population expansion at the beginning of the Neolithic, and the second and third centering on the beginning of the Bronze Age and the late Iron Age, respectively. These findings suggest a strong link between technological change and human mobility in Holocene Western Eurasia and demonstrate the utility of this framework for exploring changes in mobility through space and time."

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    http://www.pnas.org/content/114/46/12213

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/09/22/t..._medium=twitter

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    The wording you used is quite misleading. These are neither Danes nor Poles - they're obviously East Germanics.

    The things that stand out to me are: 1. the fact that Late Neolithic Haplgroups seem predominate in Wielbark culture; 2. That autosomally Neolithic groups still existed in the Poland in the Iron Ages.

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    That autosomally Neolithic groups still existed in the Poland in the Iron Ages.
    They could be like those Bavarian women with deformed skulls - imported from the south. We also don't know what exactly they mean by Neolithic, it doesn't have to mean Anatolian-like. Corded Ware was a Late Neolithic (Copper Age) culture. Neolithization in places like Lithuania took place without Anatolian admixture.

    The wording you used is quite misleading. These are neither Danes nor Poles - they're obviously East Germanics.
    Jutland is a peninsula in Denmark...

    the fact that Late Neolithic Haplgroups seem predominate in Wielbark culture
    I1 is not a Late Neolithic haplogroup - it had its TMRCA during the Early Bronze Age (check at Y-Full).
    Any news about haplogroups of Tollense warriors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    2. That autosomally Neolithic groups still existed in the Poland in the Iron Ages.
    I very much doubt these women were local. The genetically, culturally and geographically close Maslomecz group had no sex-biased genetic structure, and it is very unlikely (actually impossible, I think) that a predominantly Neolithic/EEF-like society would exist in IA Poland where only women would manage to preserve their EEF prevalence, but the males would not. That is, unless we are to assume that the other settlements and also the males of Maslomecz were the actual newcomers, and not those women in one settlement. I think it's simpler to explain that situation if these few women simply came from a more southern population (e.g. Hungary did have Southern European-like people in the Late IA).

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    Shouldn't be surprising. I would hazard a guess that there was a similar autosomal spread from the NW German coast, across the bottom of Denmark, and along the current NW Polish coast (Pomerania) around 300 AD+. The early Anglo-Saxon samples before celtic admix looked much the same. The difference today is that these German incursions into Poland were reversed in time, unlike in England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    The wording you used is quite misleading. These are neither Danes nor Poles - they're obviously East Germanics.

    The things that stand out to me are: 1. the fact that Late Neolithic Haplgroups seem predominate in Wielbark culture; 2. That autosomally Neolithic groups still existed in the Poland in the Iron Ages.
    East Germanic speakers rather clustering with Danes from our times?
    In that period of time from which these samples are, were East Germanic languages spoken?
    Or all Germanics were speaking a proto-Germanic?
    I have no idea, I am just wondering.
    EDIT:
    Sadly, there is no data about East Germanics even if I suppose are plenty of bones from the battles that Goths,Ostrogoths,Visigoths had with Roman Empire.
    I was wondering , institutions or companies from what country would like to pay some money for some genetic testing of the bones of the Goths,Ostrogoths,Visigoths that should be found, plenty of those, in some battle sites?

    Found on another thread some faces of Goths from a description of a battle between Roman Empire and Goths:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ps_Inv8574.jpg
    Last edited by mihaitzateo; 20-11-18 at 17:04.

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