All Iberian men were wiped out by Yamna men 4,500 years ago

Regio X said:
Out of curiosity:
"The research, carried out in collaboration with the IRCCS San Camillo Hospital Foundation in Venice, shows that people with an ‘O’ blood type have more grey matter in their brain, which helps to protect against diseases such as Alzheimer’s, than those with ‘A’, ‘B’ or ‘AB’ blood types."
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/blood-type-cognitive-disease-1.469296
See also:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0361923015000805
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Lately I see many new studies showing AB as having it the worst:
The results of this study support the hypothesis of a significant association between psychiatric disorders and ABO blood groups: more specifically, there is an increased tendency for patients with AB blood group to develop psychiatric disorders. It was found that the likelihood of developing a psychiatric disorder is almost three times higher in individuals with AB blood group than in those with other blood groups in the Croatian population.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6343596/

I'm hoping to find more data on COVID-19 patients. This one only shows 45 patients who are D negative.
Covid-19-blood-group-distributions.png
 
Guys, this thread has gone way off topic. It's not for a detailed discussion about blood groups.

Please move your posts to the appropriate thread.
 
I have come to realization that ancient DNA tests are heavy politicized, it's too much R1b/R1a centric. Who knows what really happened in Europe, whatever the reason they will hide that missing puzzle for sure.
 
Ygorcs said:
All Iberian men? So where does all the ~20% to as much as 55% of non-R1b Y-DNA haplogroups (depending on the region) come from, exclusively through Yamna-derived mixed EEF+Steppe men who migrated there during the Bronze Age? And why is the autosomal contribution of Yamnaya-like people so low in most of Iberia? I can definitely see a long-term replacement of Neolithic Iberia haplogroups with Pontic-Caspian Y-DNA haplogroups, but not through a massive and rapid "wiping out" of all Iberian males. Such a massive replacement would mean that nearly 50% of the genetic pool from which the later Iberians would be born would be Yamnaya-like. Instead, if what happened was a gradual, slow but relentless replacement caused by the different rates of reproductive success, favoring males with Yamna-derived male lineages, that relatively low autosomal contribution could be made easily compatible with the replacement of Y-DNA haplogroups in favor of Pontic-Caspian male lineages.
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Is 30% low? I don't think so, especially considering that it came to Iberia with only male lines. The high 'steppe' values ​​for northeastern Europe are actually pre Yamnaya EHG.
Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
Distance: 3.3991% / 0.03399058
52.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.0 WHG
5.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian


Target: Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
Distance: 3.1522% / 0.03152243
52.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0 WHG
1.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.6 Yoruba
0.4 RUS_Chalmny-Varre


Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 4.8458% / 0.04845772
26.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.8 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
17.2 RUS_Karelia_HG
5.6 WHG


Target: Estonian
Distance: 6.4077% / 0.06407747
31.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
2.8 RUS_Chalmny-Varre


Target: Finnish
Distance: 4.6578% / 0.04657811
28.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
22.8 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
14.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
10.0 WHG
 
When they came to Iberia, they were mixed already, not 100 steppe. So for Iberia the relative impact of the BB takeover was truly huge.

@Ack: There is no such strong EHG component independent of steppe ancestry in NE Europe. There must be something wrong with your model.
 
Riverman said:
When they came to Iberia, they were mixed already, not 100 steppe. So for Iberia the relative impact of the BB takeover was truly huge.

@Ack: There is no such strong EHG component independent of steppe ancestry in NE Europe. There must be something wrong with your model.
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There is nothing wrong with the model.


I used as a source:

Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Baltic_LTU_Narva,0.0116,0.0109,0.0478167,0.0570333,0.0389833,0.0188,0.0046,0.0124,0.0289833,-0.0104667,-0.0034,-0.0130167,0.0184167,0.0033167,0.024,0.03545,0.00275,0.0041833,-0.0051667,0.0349,0.0531667,0.00625,-0.0237333,-0.0946,0.0092333
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11466,0.044391,-0.020311,-0.171213,0.076551,-0.104635,0.054105,0.010105,-0.010384,-0.00225,0.019499,-0.008282,0.014237,-0.007136,-0.012386,0.018187,0.026783,0.011865,0.010135,0.003017,-0.014632,0.00836,-0.013973,0.003081,-0.006266,0.008023
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic:I1955,0.094473,0.111708,-0.053551,-0.027455,-0.044316,-0.003347,0.00376,-0.004384,-0.03027,-0.016037,0.004709,-0.004046,0.005649,0.008533,0.004072,-0.002121,-0.022948,-0.004434,0.005531,-0.009755,-0.002496,-0.002844,0.001849,-0.008194,-0.001796
RUS_Karelia_HG:I0211,0.12862,0.032497,0.125958,0.221902,0.003385,0.056057,-0.014571,-0.010615,0.007567,-0.084011,0.009581,-0.029674,0.047423,-0.018304,0.014794,0.041766,-0.020079,0.002154,-0.007668,0.003252,-0.01435,0.017188,0.005916,-0.027594,-0.00958
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Khomani_San,-0.6220435,0.060424,0.02093,0.030039,-0.0004615,0.000837,0.236773,-0.1823,0.0185095,0.0067425,0.00203,-0.053952,-0.0211845,0.005505,0.018797,-0.0212805,0.029662,0.2623085,-0.0877375,0.001751,-0.0331915,-0.002844,0.0038205,-0.0050005,0.0016765
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
RUS_Chalmny-Varre,0.1109775,-0.0137095,0.109554,0.08398,-0.0078475,0.0110165,0.0081075,0.017768,0.0087945,-0.0248755,0.023384,-0.0076435,0.0199205,-0.014175,-0.0093645,0.005171,-0.001434,-0.004941,-0.0050275,0.005815,0.008111,0.000618,-0.0025265,0.000964,0.0008985
Levant_Natufian:I0861,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975


The same model does not show any deviation for EHG In Ireland, England or Norway, but from eastern Germany and mainly in northeastern Europe the same model shows a huge deviation for EHG.

Target: English
Distance: 4.7162% / 0.04716228
47.2Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.6Anatolia_Barcin_N
14.2WHG

Target: Dutch
Distance: 4.4717% / 0.04471666
48.2Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.4Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.4WHG
1.0RUS_Karelia_HG


Target: German_East:German_East3
Distance: 4.6257% / 0.04625675
41.6Anatolia_Barcin_N
39.6Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8WHG
5.0RUS_Karelia_HG

Target: Austrian
Distance: 3.3691% / 0.03369105
44.4Anatolia_Barcin_N
39.0Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8WHG
6.8RUS_Karelia_HG

Target: German_East:German_East2
Distance: 5.0584% / 0.05058352
38.6Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.4Anatolia_Barcin_N
12.8RUS_Karelia_HG
10.2WHG

Target: Polish:polish16
Distance: 4.6207% / 0.04620698
37.2Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.6Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4RUS_Karelia_HG
9.8WHG

Target: Finnish
Distance: 4.6579% / 0.04657938
28.2Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.6Anatolia_Barcin_N
22.4RUS_Chalmny-Varre
14.8RUS_Karelia_HG
10.0WHG

Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 4.8458% / 0.04845772
26.8Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.6Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.8RUS_Chalmny-Varre
17.2RUS_Karelia_HG
5.6WHG
 
Target: Karlos_scaled
Distance: 3.5582% / 0.03558177
52.4Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.2Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6WHG
4.8MAR_Iberomaurusian



Distance to:Karlos_scaled
0.15460988Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.16254028IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic:I1955
0.20925401Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.21495426RUS_Chalmny-Varre
0.21767936Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.24514662Levant_Natufian:I0861
0.27601192GEO_CHG:KK1
0.31162467RUS_Karelia_HG:I0211
0.33447648IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11466
0.34846322WHG
0.44053493MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.62307017Nganassan
0.65003453ETH_4500BP
0.70986147Dinka
0.72513737Gambian
0.75180926Yoruba
0.84651444Khomani_San
 
Carlos said:
Target: Karlos_scaled
Distance: 3.5582% / 0.03558177
52.4Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.2Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6WHG
4.8MAR_Iberomaurusian



Distance to:Karlos_scaled
0.15460988Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.16254028IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic:I1955
0.20925401Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.21495426RUS_Chalmny-Varre
0.21767936Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.24514662Levant_Natufian:I0861
0.27601192GEO_CHG:KK1
0.31162467RUS_Karelia_HG:I0211
0.33447648IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11466
0.34846322WHG
0.44053493MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.62307017Nganassan
0.65003453ETH_4500BP
0.70986147Dinka
0.72513737Gambian
0.75180926Yoruba
0.84651444Khomani_San
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Cool, quite within the Iberian average.



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Target: Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
Distance: 3.3991% / 0.03399058

52.6Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.0Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.0WHG
5.4MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Cataluna:HG01536
Distance: 3.1522% / 0.03152243

52.8Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0WHG
1.4MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.6Yoruba
0.4RUS_Chalmny-Varre

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
Distance: 3.8944% / 0.03894358

51.4Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.4WHG
6.2MAR_Iberomaurusian
1.0RUS_Chalmny-Varre
 
Ack said:
And there are articles about it

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6258758/
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Thank you for the link to the study. In the admixture proportions in Fig. 4 you can clearly see that no modern European people have significant extra-EHG, not even the Saami, but only the Mansi. Instead Lithuanians have additional WHG ancestry, which was proven by various studies and models. Its all in Yamnaya and the Siberian ancestry is a separate component.
And even if there would be traces of extra-EHG, its nowhere close to the numbers you posted.
 
Riverman said:
Thank you for the link to the study. In the admixture proportions in Fig. 4 you can clearly see that no modern European people have significant extra-EHG, not even the Saami, but only the Mansi. Instead Lithuanians have additional WHG ancestry, which was proven by various studies and models. Its all in Yamnaya and the Siberian ancestry is a separate component.
And even if there would be traces of extra-EHG, its nowhere close to the numbers you posted.
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Wrong. Eastern Europe was more inhabited by EHG than western Europe when Yamnaya arrived. Both Karelia HG and Scandinavia HG had an additional mixture of ANE and EHG that WHG did not have. The distinction between WHG and EHG is based on this.



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Ack said:
Wrong. Eastern Europe was more inhabited by EHG than western Europe when Yamnaya arrived. Both Karelia HG and Scandinavia HG had an additional mixture of ANE and EHG that WHG did not have. The distinction between WHG and EHG is based on this.
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But their contribution to modern population is very low, that's what I meant.
 
Riverman said:
But their contribution to modern population is very low, that's what I meant.
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It is far from small. Compare Finland and Poland with Norway for example:


Target: Finnish
Distance: 5.1847% / 0.05184738


30.6Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.0Yamnaya_RUS_Samara27.0
RUS_Karelia_HG 29
WHG 9.8
Nganassan 2.6

Target: Polish:polish16
Distance: 4.6207% / 0.04620698
37.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
9.8 WHG

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 4.8877% / 0.04887723
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
5.0 RUS_Karelia_HG

Did you see the big difference? The difference gets even bigger when we include Irish in the comparison

Target: Irish
Distance: 4.9374% / 0.04937387

49.8Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.8WHG

No EHG in Ireland. But the closer you get to Finland and Eastern Europe, the more EHG.

Finns are closer to Poles than Norwegians for the same reason.







Distance to:Finnish
0.05559852Polish:polish16
0.06710421Norwegian

Target: Finnish
Distance: 5.3291% / 0.05329137


72.0 Polish
28.0 Norwegian
 
K11 10 kybp WHG-EHG calculator



Target: Karlos_scaled
Distance: 4.4356% / 0.04435563
56.4ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.6EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.6WHG=BEL_Loschbour
10.4CHG=GEO_CHG
4.0Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian

Distance to:Karlos_scaled
0.15460988ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.25164638Natufian=Levant_Natufian
0.27601192CHG=GEO_CHG
0.30460105EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
0.38439700WHG=BEL_Loschbour
0.44053493Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.46273894S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.52709506Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
0.61422156EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.75180926SSA=Yoruba
0.81082711OHG=Papuan
 
Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534

Dick's Ancient euro calculator


Target: Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
Distance: 44.4764% / 0.44476351
68.0Anatolia_Barcin_N
32.0Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL


Distance to:Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.45116856Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100
0.45237422Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103
0.45792445Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098
0.45823374Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102
0.45989922Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1101
0.46005112Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736
0.46022091Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099
0.46130547UKR_Globular_Amphora:ILK002
0.46184667Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581
0.46210075Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745
0.46292371Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583
0.46425503Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723
0.46482203Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580
0.46694556Corded_Ware_CZE_o:I7272
0.46743531UKR_Globular_Amphora:ILK001
0.46757165Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0744
0.46792569Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096
0.46847647Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708
0.46851572Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724
0.46916241Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0746
0.46954008Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709
0.46999654POL_Globular_Amphora:N38
0.47001374Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097
0.47063025Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0707
0.47077965POL_Globular_Amphora:I2433


For some reason the Spanish get it, but I do not think it is direct, but some correspondence between the two.

With modern populations:


Target: Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian
Distance: 20.3896% / 0.20389557
89.8Berber_MAR_TIZ
10.2Dinka


Berber_MAR_TIZ,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671



Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ
Distance: 0.8225% / 0.00822504
24.2ITA_Sardinia_Punic
18.2MAR_Taforalt
15.2MAR_EN
10.2Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.4ITA_Sardinia_C_o
7.6TZA_Pemba_600BP
5.6GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
3.6ZAF_400BP
3.4GRC_Peloponnese_N
1.4IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
1.2HUN_Tisza_LN


Distance to:Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.05228477ITA_Sardinia_C_o:I15940
0.05741548Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun012
0.06081893Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun002
0.06347391Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun011
0.07770163Iberia_Central_CA_Afr:I4246
0.08749982Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun008
0.10165776Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun005
0.14810754ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL011
0.14905246MAR_LN:KEB.4
0.15020847ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR132
0.17410771Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I8146
0.17875041MAR_Taforalt:TAF009
0.18303960ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL010
0.18310165ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL006
0.19465325Levant_Natufian:I0861
0.19508017MAR_EN:IAM.7
0.19564583EGY_Late_Period:JK2134
0.19652484ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR80
0.19689482KEN_Early_Pastoral_N:I12534
0.19838303Levant_Natufian:I1072
0.19863519EGY_Hellenistic:JK2888
0.19916864Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3575
0.19952069Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3980
0.20080181EGY_Late_Period:JK2911
0.20125878Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425

[h=3]Ion Basecul's G25 Calculator[/h]
Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ
Distance: 24.6184% / 0.24618441
54.6South_European
39.2Southeast_European
6.2Steppic


Distance to:Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.24899825Southeast_European:IND_Roopkund_B_I3348
0.25011976South_European:ITA_Rome_MA_RMPR58
0.25266943Southeast_European:IND_Roopkund_B_I3345
0.25406532South_European:ITA_Rome_MA_RMPR60
0.25490483South_European:ITA_Rome_MA_RMPR56
0.25518079South_European:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL121
0.25523316Southeast_European:IND_Roopkund_B_I3403
0.25655182South_European:ITA_Rome_MA_RMPR1283
0.25659391Southeast_European:IND_Roopkund_B_I2869
0.25830956Southeast_European:IND_Roopkund_B_I3405
0.25914988South_European:ITA_Rome_MA_RMPR59
0.26058370South_European:ITA_Rome_MA_RMPR1285
0.26091934Southwest_European:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE_I10853
0.26190764Southwest_European:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE_I10895
0.26254655South_European:ITA_Rome_MA_RMPR57
0.26274597Southwest_European:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE_I10892
0.26324605Southeast_European:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2_I8208
0.26376371Southeast_European:IND_Roopkund_B_I3404
0.26636942Southwest_European:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE_I10852
0.26709939Southeast_European:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2_I8215
0.27597788Southeast_European:IND_Roopkund_B_I6936
0.28483765North_Caucasus:RUS_Alan_MA_DA160
0.28727461North_Caucasus:RUS_Alan_MA_DA162
0.29044983Anatolian:Ottoman_MA2196
0.29308376East_European:UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky_MJ37

 
Carlos, please change your map to reflect reality.
 
I want not to discuss the percentages in detail but I would find weird if N-E European had not an extra EHG in them: do notive I don't look for competition with anybody here.
But in East-Baltic/Estoina regions there have been the Comb Ware C (CCC?) came from East, very EHGlike in autosomes and physically slightly 'pre-mongoloid'; I would bet they introduiced some Y-N1c subclades and maybe spoke already some kind of proto-Uralic dialects. The CWC had introduced their kind of EHG comprised in the 'Steppics' kit of DNA, and surely some IEan, rather proto-satem (no proof here), I doubt they ahve erased completely the CCC demic heritage, they have not been able to erase their Y lineages at all. So could we imagine the whole EHGlike DNA among N-E Europeans is only from this Steppic admixture? I don't think so.
 
MOESAN said:
I want not to discuss the percentages in detail but I would find weird if N-E European had not an extra EHG in them: do notive I don't look for competition with anybody here.
But in East-Baltic/Estoina regions there have been the Comb Ware C (CCC?) came from East, very EHGlike in autosomes and physically slightly 'pre-mongoloid'; I would bet they introduiced some Y-N1c subclades and maybe spoke already some kind of proto-Uralic dialects. The CWC had introduced their kind of EHG comprised in the 'Steppics' kit of DNA, and surely some IEan, rather proto-satem (no proof here), I doubt they ahve erased completely the CCC demic heritage, they have not been able to erase their Y lineages at all. So could we imagine the whole EHGlike DNA among N-E Europeans is only from this Steppic admixture? I don't think so.
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That's how I see it as well. I've been saying for a long time that there was a reservoir of hunter-gatherer ancestry in the North East which was incorporated into the IE when they arrived. Depending on the area there would have been more WHG or EHG.

Some calculators may not see it clearly because of the EHG in the IE, although blended with CHG/Iran Neo like ancestry.
 
Riverman said:
When they came to Iberia, they were mixed already, not 100 steppe. So for Iberia the relative impact of the BB takeover was truly huge.

@Ack: There is no such strong EHG component independent of steppe ancestry in NE Europe. There must be something wrong with your model.
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I doubt "huge" is the proper adjective given that Iberians today in some analyses have only 25% steppe.
 
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