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    Early European migrations into the Near & Middle East?

    Which haplogroups came with which? When? And from where?
    G2a-U1?
    G2a-CTS342 (Z26414, Z16670 & FGC65058)?
    G1a-L1324?
    R1a-Z93?
    R1b-Z2103?
    R1b-PF7558?
    R1b-DF100?
    R1b-U152 (L4 & BY3477)?
    I2a-A427?
    I2c-Z26391?
    J2a-M319?
    J2b-L83?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip View Post
    Which haplogroups came with which? When? And from where?
    G2a-U1?
    G2a-CTS342 (Z26414, Z16670 & FGC65058)?
    G1a-L1324?
    R1a-Z93?
    R1b-Z2103?
    R1b-PF7558?
    R1b-DF100?
    R1b-U152 (L4 & BY3477)?
    I2a-A427?
    I2c-Z26391?
    J2a-M319?
    J2b-L283?
    Perhaps the question is a little complex and wide-ranging, so I am proposing a summary of some of my own calculation estimates (some of which are rougher and based on less data than others.)

    I2c-Z6391 from Central Europe to Caucasus - 10,000-9,000 BC
    G2a-U1 from Western Pontic to Western Caucasus - 5,200-4,600 BC
    R1b-PF7558 from North Western Pontic to Western Caucasus - 5,400-4,000 BC
    R1b-Z2103 from North Western Pontic/East Central Europe to Western Caucasus - 4,000-3,400 BC
    R1a-Z93 from East Central Europe to Eastern Caucasus - 3,300-2,400 BC
    I2a-A437 from East Central Europe to Caucasus - 3,000-2,000 BC
    R1b-U152 from Central Europe to Caucasus - after 3,000 BC
    R1b-DF100 from Central Europe to Caucasus - after 3,200 BC
    G2a-CTS342 from Italy to Middle East - 1,600 BC
    J2a-M319 from North Mediterranean/Adriatic to Southern Turkey/Levant - 4,700-1,500 BC

    I2c-Z6391 looks like an ancient drift eastwards of Central European hunter gatherers.
    R1b-PF7558 could have have moved eastwards with Cucuteni-Tripolye people or later with R1b-Z2103 (which I would probably associate with Steppe Maykop).
    Some I2a-A427, R1b-U152 and R1b-DF100 could possibly have moved into the Caucasus with R1a-Z93 (which I would probably associate with the Indo-Aryans).
    Some of both J2a-M319 and G2a-CTS342 were perhaps connected with the Peoples of the Sea.

    Any comments?

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    MtDNA haplogroup
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    no one of thise haplogroups europeans

    E-v13 born in europe becouse his ansectore L618 they found them in europe also

    They say come with greec

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