Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

You think I1b? Croats have 70%, Bosnians 40%, and Serbians 30%

Genetically quite different populations.
Yeah I speak of I2b you know it?
 
Do you know that 47 Ottoman officials were of Albanian descent? What was Ataturk the young Turks Djemal Pasha? There were many Serbian resistances no Serbian slave of Turks did not aid for the sake of it part of the since for becoming Turks was working for them this goes for any nationality. You might as well say that for any idiot who converted to Islam for the sake of Turks in the past 500 years did this
You are a trolll.
[h=1]Prince Marko[/h]
In 1395 the Ottomans attacked Wallachia to punish its ruler, Mircea I, for his incursions into their territory.[41] Three Serbian vassals fought on the Ottoman side: King Marko, Lord Konstantin Dragaš, and Despot Stefan Lazarević (son and heir of Prince Lazar). The Battle of Rovine, on 17 May 1395, was won by the Wallachians; Marko and Dragaš were killed.[42] After their deaths the Ottomans annexed their lands, combining them into an Ottoman province centred in Kyustendil.[41]
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Now stop talking nonsense.
 
Serbian Lords partecipated among many other battles on the Ottoman side in the Siege of Costantinople.
 
Turks had many Serbian slaves and others by them what's your point here. Despite the fact that some converted most of the resistance was from Greece Russia Serbia etc.

Some Catholics resisted yes

Battle of Rovine

Bayazid's vassals, the Serbian lords Stefan Lazarević and Marko Mrnjavčević, some of the mightiest knights of the time, participated and fought bravely; Stefan showed great courage, Marko was killed in action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rovine

Battle of Ankara

The Ottoman force included contingents under his sons, Ghazis, Janissaries, Anatolian Muslim vassals, and various European (Balkan Christian, vassals. Among Serbian vassals participating were Stefan Lazarevićand Đurađ Branković,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ankara

This is of topic, we will not talk about it anymore. good night everyone.
 
You are a trolll.
Prince Marko



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What ethnicity was the Turk the founder of modern state of Turkey where was his balkan background from. What background were the TYT?
 
What do you mean why would Serbs go to Croatian territories that Turks destroyed and build Orthodox Churches?

Not Serbs but Orthodox Vlachs were settled by the Turks to protect the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The border was cutting through the Croatian territory. The western part of Croatia successfully stopped the Ottomans in 16th century. It was not favourable to be Catholic Christian in the Ottoman state. However, it was not the same with the Orthodox Church whose Patriarch was under the political control.

This battle was a turning point after Ottomans were no longer advancing. You may check who were the participants in the battle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak

Turks destroyed everything Serbia and Greece were the main countries fighting against them

Most of the time these countries were occupied and passive. Some people fight in a Ottoman service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martolos

Ottomans were stopped mostly thanks to Croats and Hungarians. Credits go to Venice and Hapsburgs too. Also to Poles who saved Vienna.
 


What makes you think that all those dialects, including the Štokavian-jekavian dialect form Herzegovina, were genuine Serbian? The speakers of that dialect who lived in neighbouring Dubrovnik Republic never called themselves Serbs (except a group of intelectuals during the short period in 19th century under the influence of Serbian propaganda). Just contrary, in the very same language, the word "serbify" (posrbliti) has a meaning to convert to Serb Orthodox faith, which they were strictly against. Moreover, it was forbidden for Serbs to stay overnight within city walls. It is obvious that the people who lived in Herzegovina were not Serbs before they (some of them) were converted to Serb Orthodox faith.



These haplogroup data have no value as we don't know how many of them originated in Serbia, and how many are so called "Westrn Serbs" whose Serb origin is questionable. I am talking about autosomal data. Serbians samples usually show over 60% of native genetic.

What makes you think they weren't Serbs? Again, 'Serb' is a typically Slavic ethnonym derived from Proto-Slavic, the term 'Croat' more likely has an Iranian etymology. It's how Slavs called ther kin, hence also the unrelated 'Sorbs' in Germany who speak a West Slavic language.
 
Battle of Rovine



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rovine

Battle of Ankara



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ankara

This is of topic, we will not talk about it anymore. good night everyone.


https://www.hercegbosna.org/eng/his...-empire/croats-and-the-ottoman-empire-96.html
Sultan Mehmed II, also known as the Conqueror (Fatih), full of praise for his conquest of Constantinople in 1453, managed to annex Serbia to the Ottoman Empire in 1459. The Kingdom of Bosnia fell in his hands in 1463 as well. The fall of Bosnia meant a direct threat to Croatia, the next target of the Ottoman army. The Ottomans knew how to use that opportunity and carried out a fierce, full-scale attack on Croatia. In a counter-attack in the very same year, King Matthias Corvinus managed to take back the town of Jajce and defeated the Sultan\\\\\\\'s army. In order to protect the southern territories of Hungary and the northern part of Croatia stretching between the rivers Drava, Danube and Sava, in 1464 he established the districts of Srebrenica and Jajce, the so-called banovina.
Oh you mean Serbians joined the Turks to help Croatians not take over it ok
 
Not Serbs but Orthodox Vlachs were settled by the Turks to protect the borders of the Ottoman Empire. The border was going right throug Croatian territory. The western part of Croatia successfully stopped the Ottomans in 16th century. It was not favourable to be Catholic Christian in the Ottoman state. However, it was not the same with the Orthodox Church which Patriarch was under the political control.

This battle was a turning point after Ottomans were no longer advancing. You may check who were the participants in the battle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak



Most of the time these countries were occupied and passive. Some people fight in Ottoman service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martolos

Ottomans were stopped mostly thanks to Croats and Hungarians. Credits go to Venice and Hapsburgs too. Also to Poles who saved Vienna.

Ottomans were stopped because of Russia Serbian up rising against them and Greece to a lesser extent Hungary. Romania and Tepes needs a good shout out too of course.
 
Serbian Lords partecipated among many other battles on the Ottoman side in the Siege of Costantinople.
The Crusades and French did Mehmed was of Serbian and Greek origin himself
 
You are a trolll.
Prince Marko



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What ethnicity was the Turk the founder of modern state of Turkey where was his balkan background from. What background were the TYT?
You want more serbian battle? There was a man in Balcans, the most powerfull ruler in Balcans at the beggining of the XIX century, Ali Pasha of Tepelena. He was the first who has a plan to expell the Ottomans from the Balcans and he asked from Obrenovic, the ruler of Serbia to join him. Obrenovic refused to fight with him against the Ottomans, it is writen in the serbian books of history.
Meanwhile read this:

Karađorđe
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Exile, return to Serbia and death

Karađorđe secretly entered the Pashalik on 24 July [O.S. 12 July] 1817, crossing the Danube together with his servant, Naum Krnar. He then contacted his kum, Vujica Vulićević, who offered him an abode in the oak forest of Radovanje Grove, near Velika Plana. Unbeknownst to Karađorđe, Vulićević was on Obrenović's payroll. After escorting Karađorđe and his servant to a tent in the forest, Vulićević informed Obrenović of Karađorđe's whereabouts through a courier. Shortly thereafter, he received a letter from Obrenović telling him that Karađorde was to be killed.[81] Vulićević enlisted one of his close confidantes, Danilo Novaković, to take Karađorđe's life. The following morning, just before sunrise, Novaković snuck into Karađorđe's tent and axed him to death while he slept. He then went to the riverside and shot Krnar with a rifle as he was gathering water. Karađorđe's lifeless body was beheaded.[83] His severed head was taken to Belgrade and presented to Marashli Ali Pasha,[83] who had been appointed the governor of the Pashalik two years prior.[80] Ali Pasha had the head flayed, stuffed and sent to the Sultan himself.[83]

In Constantinople, Karađorđe's head was impaled on a stake and left on public display for a week. His body was buried on Serbian soil, but his skull ended up in the hands of a Constantinople museum.
Belgrade was during the middle age an Hungarian city. It`s today the capital of Serbia as a gift from Ottomans.
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You want more serbian battle? There was a man in Balcans, the most powerfull ruler in Balcans at the beggining of the XIX century, Ali Pasha of Tepelena. He was the first who has a plan to expell the Ottomans from the Balcans and he asked from Obrenovic, the ruler of Serbia to join him. Obrenovic refused to fight with him against the Ottomans, it is writen in the serbian books of history.
Meanwhile read this:

Karađorđe

Belgrade was during the middle age an Hungarian city. It`s today the capital of Serbia as a gift from Ottomans.
You want more?
You are naming countries who were going against Serbia and Serbia simply joined the Turks because the Turks were trying to occupy them also. Are you kidding you seriously think the Serbs just joined the army because they decided to join the Turks because they felt like it Google Serbian uprising against Ottomans here I will make it easy for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Serbian_Uprising

And during those uprisings the commenders were Bosnian and Croats mainly so yes I agree it's funny
 
You are naming countries who were going against Serbia and Serbia simply joined the Turks because the Turks were trying to occupy them also. Are you kidding you seriously think the Serbs just joined the army because they decided to join the Turks because they felt like it Google Serbian uprising against Ottomans here I will make it easy for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Serbian_Uprising

And during those uprisings the commenders were Bosnian and Croats mainly so yes I agree it's funny

You are a trolll.
 
Turks had many Serbian slaves and others by them what's your point here. Despite the fact that some converted most of the resistance was from Greece Russia Serbia etc.

Some Catholics resisted yes

Ou, can you cite these "great serbian and greek" resistances to let us know, please ?
 
Ou, can you cite these "great serbian and greek" resistances to let us know, please ?
During the Serbian uprising the commanders of the Ottoman army vassels and officials were Bosnians, Croats and Bosnian Croats their names are featured sometimes when you click on Ottoman officials in Balkans

Like Turks of Bosnian descent Turks of Croatian descent of Greek descent etc. I did it. Bosnia and Croatia invaded Serbia first the Serbians joined the Turks when they were not uprising against them just to simply fight them off.
 
Ou, can you cite these "great serbian and greek" resistances to let us know, please ?
Google Thracian pre historic history Serbian pre historic history etc etc
 
What makes you think they weren't Serbs? Again, 'Serb' is a typically Slavic ethnonym derived from Proto-Slavic, the term 'Croat' more likely has an Iranian etymology. It's how Slavs called ther kin, hence also the unrelated 'Sorbs' in Germany who speak a West Slavic language.

Do you mean the speakers of Štokavian-Jekavian dialect who lived around Dubrovnik Republic?


I’ve told you already. In their dialect (Easter Herzegovinian, Štokavian-Jekavian), the meaning of the term “Serb” was not an ethnicity but a faith. That is a hard fact. It is not surprise that the first Serbian vernacular appeared in 1818 for the first time in history.
 
Ou, can you cite these "great serbian and greek" resistances to let us know, please ?

Just ignore the presence of this individual. People here had a normal conversation during all the day, until arrived this trolll and the discussion was derailed.
 

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