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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Absolutely right. Even the town of 80,000 or so where we settled in America is now a ghost town of boarded up windows which is filling up with people on welfare moving in from New York because the rents are low.

    What China and the big box stores didn't accomplish Amazon will...
    It was Walmart first. It is the greed of the large corporations that put profit above country.

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    In the EU, Chinese companies are investing in infrastructure in order to move their products from the ports to the interior. It has raised concerns in the industrial north of the continent. That's what happens when you think of the Southern European countries only as markets and you let them in the EU only because you want duty-free access to their markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    In the EU, Chinese companies are investing in infrastructure in order to move their products from the ports to the interior. It has raised concerns in the industrial north of the continent. That's what happens when you think of the Southern European countries only as markets and you let them in the EU only because you want duty-free access to their markets.
    I could not agree more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    It was Walmart first. It is the greed of the large corporations that put profit above country.
    Let's be honest. We all put our own profit first. The last time you sold a car or your house, or some more minor item online, did you look up the market rate to see the maximum you could get for the item? Of course you did! Don't expect more from companies than you would do yourself.

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    An outbreak of a new coronavirus that began in the Chinese city of Wuhan has already
    infected over 4,000 people – mostly in China, but also in several other countries, from Thailand to France to the United States – and killed more than 100. Given China’s history of disease outbreaks – including of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and African swine fever – and officials’ apparent awareness of the need to strengthen their capacity to address “major risks,” how could this happen?

    It should be no surprise that history is repeating itself in China. To maintain its authority, the Communist Party of China must keep the public convinced that everything is going according to plan. That means carrying out systemic cover-ups of scandals and deficiencies that may reflect poorly upon the CPC’s leadership, instead of doing what is necessary to respond.
    This pathological secrecy hobbles the authorities’ capacity to respond quickly to epidemics. The SARS epidemic of 2002-03 could have been contained much sooner had Chinese officials, including the health minister, not deliberately concealed information from the public. Once proper disease-control and prevention measures were implemented, SARS was contained within months.
    Yet China seems not to have learned its lesson. Although there are important differences between today’s coronavirus epidemic and the SARS outbreak – including far greater technological capacity to monitor disease – they may have the CPS’s habit of cover-ups in common.
    To be sure, at first glance, China’s government has appeared to be more forthcoming about the latest outbreak. But, although the first case was reported on December 8, the Wuhan municipal health commission didn’t issue an official notice until several weeks later. And, since then, Wuhan officials have downplayed the seriousness of the disease and deliberately sought to suppress news coverage.
    That notice maintained that there was no evidence that the new illness could be transmitted among humans, and claimed that no health-care workers had been infected. The commission repeated these claims on January 5, though 59 cases had been confirmed by then. Even after the first death was reported on January 11, the commission continued to insist that there was no evidence that it could be transmitted among humans or that health-care workers had been affected.


    Throughout this critical period, there was little news coverage of the outbreak. Chinese censors worked diligently to remove references to the outbreak from the public sphere, which is far easier today than it was during the SARS epidemic, thanks to the government’s dramatically tighter control over the Internet, media, and civil society. Police have harassed people for “spreading rumors” about the disease.
    According to one study, references to the outbreak on WeChat – a popular Chinese messaging, social media, and mobile-payment app – spiked between December 30 and January 4, around the time when the Wuhan municipal health commission first acknowledged the outbreak. But mentions of the disease subsequently plummeted.
    References to the new coronavirus rose slightly on January 11, when the first death was reported, but then quickly disappeared again. It was only after January 20 – following reports of 136 new cases in Wuhan, as well as cases in Beijing and Guangdong – that the government rolled back its censorship efforts. Mentions of coronavirus exploded.
    Yet again, the Chinese government’s attempts to protect its image proved costly, because they undermined initial containment efforts. The authorities have since switched gears, and their strategy now appears to be to show how seriously the government is taking the disease by imposing drastic measures: a blanket travel ban on Wuhan and neighboring cities in Hubei province, which together have a population of 35 million.
    At this point, it is unclear whether and to what extent these steps are necessary or effective. What is clear is that China’s initial mishandling of the coronavirus outbreak means that thousands will be infected, hundreds may die, and the economy, already weakened by debt and the trade war, will take another hit.
    But perhaps the most tragic part of this story is that there is little reason to hope that next time will be different. The survival of the one-party state depends on secrecy, media suppression, and constraints on civil liberties. So, even as Chinese President Xi Jinping demands that the government increase its capacity to handle “major risks,” China will continue to undermine its own – and the world’s – safety, in order to bolster the CPC’s authority.
    When China’s leaders finally declare victory against the current outbreak, they will undoubtedly credit the CPC’s leadership. But the truth is just the opposite: the party is again responsible for this calamity.


    However, another article today

    Since he was elected US president, Donald Trump has done almost everything standard economic wisdom regards as heresy. He has erected trade barriers and stoked uncertainty with threats of further tariffs. He has blackmailed private businesses. He has eased prudential standards for banks. He has time and again attacked the Federal Reserve for policy not to his liking. He increased the budget deficit even as the economy was nearing full capacity. On a policymaker’s Don’t Do list, Trump ticks many more boxes than any other post-war US president.
    so, what is a difference?

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    also what about that nice deal that the U.S just made with israel and palestine? palestine wasn't even there when it was made lol. all the regions with with israeli settlements go to israel. here from trumps twitter. i had to laugh when i saw this. the sad part is, that right now it doesn't look much better.

    "This is what a future state of Palestine can look like, witha capital in parts of east Jerusalem."

    judging the chinese governement but ignoring that some people also here in the west would like to adopt similar practices, but they don't want to admit it.
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    Did the chinese communist party say just one word, “sorry” for coronavirus?

    The selfishness of capitalism made a beast and feed it stronger and stronger. Whenever I see china now, it always reminds me of steppe people, especailly canibalist seima turbino which would steal tin technology and dominate whole eurasia and maybe with steppe disease. As J. Soros said tons of times, the other countries should be integrated. But WHAT DID the Trump administration do?

    People really don’t know real china history. The blatant chinese communist party are even selling confucius whole world. This party is nothing but an extension of last Qing dynasty in china, which wiped out almost whole traditional chinese culture for 300 years. They failed to remove one tradition, foot binding. Culture, not genetics, means people’s real identity. (Same thing happened in Mughal empire in India.) There is nothing without cause:
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...5e5a59b09.webp

    This kind of history repeated and repeated in China since Xia or Shang 1,500bc where the canibalist seima turbino and karashuk culture entered and maybe with “ANCIENT” canibalism marker Ydna Q with pyramid culture.

    Sanping Chen investigates several foundational aspects of Chinese culture during this period, including the legendary unicorn and the fabled heroine Mulan, to determine the origin and development of the lore. His meticulous research yields surprising results. For instance, he finds that the character Mulan is not of Chinese origin and that Central Asian influences are to be found in language, religion, governance, and other fundamental characteristics of Chinese culture. As Victor Mair writes in the Foreword, "While not everyone will acquiesce in the entirety of Dr. Chen's findings, no reputable scholar can afford to ignore them with impunity."
    These "foreign"-origin elements were largely the legacy of the Tuoba, whose descendants in fact dominated China's political and cultural stage for nearly a millennium. Long before the Mongols, the Tuoba set a precedent for "using the civilized to rule the civilized" by attracting a large number of sedentary Central Asians to East Asia. This not only added a strong pre-Islamic Iranian layer to the contemporary Sinitic culture but also commenced China's golden age under the cosmopolitan Tang dynasty, whose nominally "Chinese" ruling house is revealed by Chen to be the biological and cultural heir of the Tuoba.
    https://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14969.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    Did the chinese communist party say just one word, “sorry” for wuhan virus?
    "Bonnie Holstad holds a sign explaining concern for her husband, Ken Holstad, who is a resident at Life Care Center of Kirkland, the long-term care facility linked to the two of three confirmed coronavirus cases in the state, in Kirkland, Washington, U.S. March 1, 2020. REUTERS/David Ryder"




    https://q13fox.com/2020/03/02/her-hu...wants-answers/



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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    Did the chinese communist party say just one word, “sorry,” for coronavirus?

    The selfishness of capitalism made a beast and feed it stronger and stronger. Whenever I see china now, it always reminds me of steppe people, especailly canibalist seima turbino which would steal tin technology and dominate whole eurasia and maybe with steppe disease. As J. Soros said tons of times, the other countries should be integrated. But WHAT DID the Trump administration do?

    People really don’t know real china history. The blatant chinese communist party are even selling confucius whole world. This party is nothing but an extension of last Qing dynasty in china, which wiped out almost whole traditional chinese culture for 300 years. They failed to remove one tradition, foot binding. Culture, not genetics, means people’s real identity. (Same thing happened in Mughal empire in India.) There is nothing without cause:
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...5e5a59b09.webp

    This kind of history repeated and repeated in China since Xia or Shang 1,500bc where the canibalist seima turbino and karashuk culture entered and maybe with “ANCIENT” canibalism marker Ydna Q with pyramid culture.


    https://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14969.html
    Now, they had a say.

    "A Chinese government spokesman said Thursday that "it might be US Army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan," pushing one of several popular coronavirus conspiracy theories in China. "

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    Anyone who would believe that even for a fraction of a second is mentally deficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    In the EU, Chinese companies are investing in infrastructure in order to move their products from the ports to the interior. It has raised concerns in the industrial north of the continent. That's what happens when you think of the Southern European countries only as markets and you let them in the EU only because you want duty-free access to their markets.
    Well I have always thought this was true, the EU was a project for German economic domination over Europe, French as well. England being not connected to the Continent via land Mass correctly saw the EU as an Institution with leaders who made laws and regulations but were not accountable to the people of England, hence Brexit. This Covid-19 virus is going to cause a re-calibration of this Globalist Free Trade Economic Bureaucrats and the alliance with these open border NGO, UN, Marxist types who don't believe in National borders. Borders matter, the ability to produce key goods internally and have agreements with countries that you cant trust (Communist China aint one of them) matter. If you want to see how the EU, Globalist Free Trade and Germany worked together with respect to the Italian Clothing and Shoe industry, which was largely small family owned businesses of 100 employees or less, go read the recent article in the NY Times of all places. It is an Eye opener. The Readers digest version is this. In the 1990's Italian Shoe and Clothing Mfg. would go to the Shoe and Clothing shows in Milan and Turin to display their products. Chinese vendors would come every year and just take pictures. Well within a short time, the Chinese started mfg Italian style shoes and cloths. The German Companies, under this Globalist Free Trade model, started buying from Chinese Companies, which have significant State Ownership. Thus, they could undercut the Italian products and what happened, all the Italian Companies went bankrupt. Well the Irony is the EU made more and more deals with China and China was allowed to come in and buy are the idle Italian Companies. Next, the Chinese Companies claimed the Italians don't work well with the Chinese Mgt Style and business culture and they asked the EU to allow or dictate to Italy for hundreds of thousands of Chinese to get EU and Italian work permits so what you have now is Chinese owned Shoe and Clothing stores, with Chinese workers, mfg cloths and shoes with Made in Italy being sold to Germany and the rest of Europe.

    So people wonder why there is a significant amount of people who want to restore National sovereignty and re-calibrate the Free Trade Global Supply Chain Model. When the USA entered WW2 on 8 December 1941, FDR could look across the USA and see the ability to produce anything the USA needed to fight 2 Wars on 2 Continents. Within a short period of time, the USA became the arsenal of democracy. Today with the COVID-19, we are dependent on Communist China for most of our medical equipment, supplies and pharmaceuticals. This needs to change asap.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/b...far-right.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Well I have always thought this was true, the EU was a project for German economic domination over Europe, French as well. England being not connected to the Continent via land Mass correctly saw the EU as an Institution with leaders who made laws and regulations but were not accountable to the people of England, hence Brexit. This Covid-19 virus is going to cause a re-calibration of this Globalist Free Trade Economic Bureaucrats and the alliance with these open border NGO, UN, Marxist types who don't believe in National borders. Borders matter, the ability to produce key goods internally and have agreements with countries that you cant trust (Communist China aint one of them) matter. If you want to see how the EU, Globalist Free Trade and Germany worked together with respect to the Italian Clothing and Shoe industry, which was largely small family owned businesses of 100 employees or less, go read the recent article in the NY Times of all places. It is an Eye opener. The Readers digest version is this. In the 1990's Italian Shoe and Clothing Mfg. would go to the Shoe and Clothing shows in Milan and Turin to display their products. Chinese vendors would come every year and just take pictures. Well within a short time, the Chinese started mfg Italian style shoes and cloths. The German Companies, under this Globalist Free Trade model, started buying from Chinese Companies, which have significant State Ownership. Thus, they could undercut the Italian products and what happened, all the Italian Companies went bankrupt. Well the Irony is the EU made more and more deals with China and China was allowed to come in and buy are the idle Italian Companies. Next, the Chinese Companies claimed the Italians don't work well with the Chinese Mgt Style and business culture and they asked the EU to allow or dictate to Italy for hundreds of thousands of Chinese to get EU and Italian work permits so what you have now is Chinese owned Shoe and Clothing stores, with Chinese workers, mfg cloths and shoes with Made in Italy being sold to Germany and the rest of Europe.

    So people wonder why there is a significant amount of people who want to restore National sovereignty and re-calibrate the Free Trade Global Supply Chain Model. When the USA entered WW2 on 8 December 1941, FDR could look across the USA and see the ability to produce anything the USA needed to fight 2 Wars on 2 Continents. Within a short period of time, the USA became the arsenal of democracy. Today with the COVID-19, we are dependent on Communist China for most of our medical equipment, supplies and pharmaceuticals. This needs to change asap.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/b...far-right.html
    USA is the dumpest country after 1950's
    Following anarchocapitalism, they build China, when was last Nike produce in USA?

    Europe on the other hand until end of 1980's was more conservative and progressive,
    not only pass the WW2 but manage to make miracles,
    After 1990's enter the Chicago economical models in Europe, and that BANG Europe's economy for a short of time but boom it after
    Europe manage to handle hundrends millions of Behind iron curtain countries, import of poverty, and stabilize and give them future,
    That is like USA opens border to 2 times central America+Mexico , making them United states and allow free pass,

    As for Britain, it was always half Europe, half commonwealth,
    But was industrial a lot,
    WW2 change the markets, USA replace Britain on markets, Africa Asia etc where 'liberated' sudenly,

    as for Italy is another case,
    the best cement in Europe is in Greece (natural puzzolana) and in Italy (if they put puzzolana), the biggest Greek factory was sold to Italy, and then Italians sold it to Swiss/France,
    Greek railway belong to Italian corp, as most Balkan railway,
    the first Greek factory on white machines (washing machines, friges etc) not only sold to Italy, but also stop production in Greece,
    That is choices that happens after EU adopted the USA chicago models of economy, ( I called it anarchocapitalism)

    Communistic china is the most succesfull country in Capitalistic war, due to free capital transfer system of Chicago school, USA system.

    take a look at Nokia phones history, the pride of Finland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    USA is the dumpest country after 1950's
    Following anarchocapitalism, they build China, when was last Nike produce in USA?

    Europe on the other hand until end of 1980's was more conservative and progressive,
    not only pass the WW2 but manage to make miracles,
    After 1990's enter the Chicago economical models in Europe, and that BANG Europe's economy for a short of time but boom it after
    Europe manage to handle hundrends millions of Behind iron curtain countries, import of poverty, and stabilize and give them future,
    That is like USA opens border to 2 times central America+Mexico , making them United states and allow free pass,

    As for Britain, it was always half Europe, half commonwealth,
    But was industrial a lot,
    WW2 change the markets, USA replace Britain on markets, Africa Asia etc where 'liberated' sudenly,

    as for Italy is another case,
    the best cement in Europe is in Greece (natural puzzolana) and in Italy (if they put puzzolana), the biggest Greek factory was sold to Italy, and then Italians sold it to Swiss/France,
    Greek railway belong to Italian corp, as most Balkan railway,
    the first Greek factory on white machines (washing machines, friges etc) not only sold to Italy, but also stop production in Greece,
    That is choices that happens after EU adopted the USA chicago models of economy, ( I called it anarchocapitalism)

    Communistic china is the most succesfull country in Capitalistic war, due to free capital transfer system of Chicago school, USA system.

    take a look at Nokia phones history, the pride of Finland.
    I am not sure the Free Trade model originated in the USA, yes many American Universities taught it, many Politicians (both parties) pushed it. It started with Bush 1 with GATT and allowing China status in the WTO, Clinton pushed it further signed NAFTA and further moved along with China, Bush 2 signed the order giving them same status has European Countries in terms of Trade and Obama continued it, was pushing for TARP. Trump was against it, Hillary was for it and she only changed when Bernie on her left flank called her out on it. Had she won the election with no significant challenge, the USA would be further intangled with China. So yes, the USA was part of this Globalist Free Trade economic model, but that does not mean every American supported it. I remember the 1992 election debate with Bush 1, Clinton and Perot. While I did not vote for Perot (I voted for Bush 1, despite the fact I did not care for him as he did not turn out to be like Reagan who I did like) his famous quote about this Globalist Free Trade economic model that both Bush and Clinton and many US Corporations were pushing would result in a "great sucking sound of US jobs leaving the country". Well the ole Crazy Perot was correct. And to be fair there were people on the right and left who were both against this model. China targets strategic firms in which outside investors can't own any stock. These companies are usually 50% state owned and 50% Private Equity with Chinese Investors. How does a US Company compete against that model, the Chinese Government can subsidize the cost of production so that these Chinese Firms can charge prices that competitors can't. What is going on with China is not Free and fair trade, in my view.

    I plan on voting for Trump, regardless of who wins in November, the USA needs to re-calibrate its Trade agreements and remove its dependency on critical medical equipment, supplies and pharmaceuticals from China. Do what you have to do, put in Investment tax credits, R&D Tax credits, like the USA use to have in Puerto Rico which 25-30 years ago, many pharmaceuticals were manufactured there.

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