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    Kenga e Celo Mezanit - Albanian / Epirote music

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    Fide Koksal, a Turkish singer singing in both Turkish and Greek:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UadyEY74u-4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPGFrNif7eo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DdAfakgTPg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIS8...&frags=pl%2Cwn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJry...&frags=pl%2Cwn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSu...&frags=pl%2Cwn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I92p...&frags=pl%2Cwn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzmO...&frags=pl%2Cwn

    This is what we call "popular" Greek music. It was brought over by the refugees from Constantinople and Izmir. it does have a lot of common elements and similar instruments as Turkish popular music.

    The other music is the traditional music and varies with locale. You have Thracian Music, Pontian Music, Nisiotiki (Agean Island) music, Cretan music, Peloponnesian Music, Epirotic music, Thessaly music, Macedonian music and finally Ionian Islands music. There is also some Cappadocian music and East Romylia music. I am sure I have left out some.

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    Laver Bariu - Gjeneral Gramafoni (Official Audio)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Goknur - singing Greek popular songs:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlED...&frags=pl%2Cwn


    She has some meat on her,a very beautiful woman...


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    Very nice songs BTW;I like this Southern Balkan style,usually search for something " explosive",entertaining,with faster rhythm.

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    My friends from Constanta have many Greek and Turkish channels, among others,KRAL.



    If you, Balkanites, are some sort of Byzantine "samurais",faithful to your community,village,clan,etc., we,those of more Ancient Romanian ancestry can be compared to ronins,never looked for (100%) consent in a woman, that's for sure...that's the Old heritage from the mountains, and the results were not that bad.


    Janissary lady(know her from KRAL):


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tls56XLEW5o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    My friends from Constanta have many Greek and Turkish channels, among others,KRAL.



    If you, Balkanites, are some sort of Byzantine "samurais",faithful to your community,village,clan,etc., we,those of more Ancient Romanian ancestry can be compared to ronins,never looked for (100%) consent in a woman, that's for sure...that's the Old heritage from the mountains, and the results were not that bad.


    Janissary lady(know her from KRAL):


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tls56XLEW5o
    Not bad, Dreptul! Not your typical Vlah song though ;).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreptul Valah View Post
    She has some meat on her,a very beautiful woman...


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    Very nice songs BTW;I like this Southern Balkan style,usually search for something " explosive",entertaining,with faster rhythm.
    Same here, I like the faster traditional songs from Thrace (of course), Pontos, Crete and the islands. I am not very fond of the slow songs of the Peloponnese, mainland Greece or Western Macedonia. I do like the Greek and Turkish popular music we seem to share.

    Now here is some fast paced music from East Romylia (Northern Thrace), now part of Bulgaria:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oyq...&frags=pl%2Cwn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDIX...&frags=pl%2Cwn

    My mother's family came from that area (Kavakli), had to move twice in about 20 years as refugees, first to Eastern Thrace and then to Western Thrace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Not bad, Dreptul! Not your typical Vlah song though ;).

    Let's not exaggerate, I don't play the bagpipes all day long since childhood,maturity definitely gives you a more peaceful mind.

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    Talking about fast dancing music, watch this Kolbasti dance from somewhere in Turkey:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_G7...&frags=pl%2Cwn
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdKr...&frags=pl%2Cwn

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    Here is a Thracian zonaradikos (belt dance):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VurGUDwbQs4

    If it does not prompt you to dance or at least tap your feet, you're either dead or deaf or both . When the Gaida trilled at about 4:19 into the song, my hair stood on edge.

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    That's an old dance,inherited in Romanian,we call it braul(the belt).


    If braul comes from brandeum(religious belt),then the holding is ritualistic, assuring the connection with God.


    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/brâu


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    And it does,because n also dissapears in the singular from of grau(Latin granum).

    EDIT

    Latin nd turns to nn in South Italian dialects, see the Romanian mancare,from manducare.

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    Tomb of the Dancers,similar moves from Puglian IA.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Dancers

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    ζωναραδικος ορθος


    I loved to dance this zonaradikos, and also mpaitouska, as kid and teenager,
    till youspit out your pneumons
    the συγκαθιστος zonaradikos is one of the few dances we see dancing with heels instead of toes.
    which making him rather origin from a sacred or a war dance.

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    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
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    ζωναραδικος ορθος


    I loved to dance this zonaradikos, and also mpaitouska, as kid and teenager,
    till youspit out your pneumons
    the συγκαθιστος zonaradikos is one of the few dances we see dancing with heels instead of toes.
    which making him rather origin from a sacred or a war dance.

    Very nice, I can tell it is from Eastern Romylia because of the obvious use of the accordion as a primary instrument. It seems that it is heavily influenced by Bulgarian musical idioms which makes sense since the Greeks of Eastern Romylia lived among the Bulgarians. I also sense some Romanian influences.

    BTW the dance is a Tsestos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Very nice, I can tell it is from Eastern Romylia because of the obvious use of the accordion as a primary instrument. It seems that it is heavily influenced by Bulgarian musical idioms which makes sense since the Greeks of Eastern Romylia lived among the Bulgarians. I also sense some Romanian influences.

    BTW the dance is a Tsestos.
    by Politi Kalfov treaty lots came from East Romylia and Black sea,
    their new settlements have the word new,
    mainly from Agathoupolis, Bana, Stranza, etc,

    by the Kemal Benizelos, is another population of Greek-Thracians from villages outside Con/polis,

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    In this Video the first dance is a Zonaradikos the second is a Tsestos and then a Syngathistos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeb...&frags=pl%2Cwn

    Now these are professional dancers so you probably notice this is not your father's village dancers performing :).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    In this Video the first dance is a Zonaradikos the second is a Tsestos and then a Syngathistos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeb...&frags=pl%2Cwn

    Now these are professional dancers so you probably notice this is not your father's village dancers performing :).
    in my fathers village, only women dance as primary dancers, they resemble family,
    man just follow, except in some occasional gatherings, certain days,out in the fields and small churches, bridges etc, where, men and only men, dance with woods and swords, which boulouki will pass the crossroad,
    sometimes wounded by the bats of the moves.

    yet what you call tsestos, only the feet, the lower body, reminds me steps of the Pontic serra dance,
    as a kid and teen learned many dances,
    remember it was a tough dance, very difficult one.

    συγκαθιστος is typical,
    a kind of fast aptalikos with ballo, a pair dance.

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    And some Gagauz dances from Evros prefecture. The Gagauz people have a very interesting history. They are Turkish speaking Orthodox people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzsBhT7unh4

    The main body of Gagauz live in Moldova but there are pockets of them in Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey. It is theorized that they were a Thracian tribe that lived North of Varna in what is now Bulgaria. They fought on the Russian side of the Russian-Turkish war and were exiled to Moldova.

    For some more info on the Gagauz from the Greek point of view, see here:

    https://dergipark.org.tr/download/article-file/91751

    I sometime cluster with the Gagauz on gedmatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    And some Gagauz dances from Evros prefecture. The Gagauz people have a very interesting history. They are Turkish speaking Orthodox people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzsBhT7unh4

    The main body of Gagauz live in Moldova but there are pockets of them in Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey. It is theorized that they were a Thracian tribe that lived North of Varna in what is now Bulgaria. They fought on the Russian side of the Russian-Turkish war and were exiled to Moldova.

    For some more info on the Gagauz from the Greek point of view, see here:

    https://dergipark.org.tr/download/article-file/91751

    I sometime cluster with the Gagauz on gedmatch.
    I know Historically Gagavuz were from minor Asian, that moved to Akkerman castle, Bessarabia.

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    Gagauzes only lived in the Black Sea coast, namely Budjak.


    And ,these types of dances can be found in the Arbereshe communities as well,La Vala,for example.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_folk_dance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I know Historically Gagavuz were from minor Asian, that moved to Akkerman castle, Bessarabia.
    They tend to cluster genetically with Bulgarians (Thracians), not Anatolians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    They tend to cluster genetically with Bulgarians (Thracians), not Anatolians.
    so the story of Kaikavuz Sultan is rather just a story?

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