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    Post harsh or offensive but accurate comments made by foreigners about your country



    I found this insulting comment made on another forum by a Russian nationalist (obviously Anti-Western and Anti-Polish one) to be quite accurate. It striked me as demonstrating a great degree of understading of the history of the region, and of internal differences between various countries in Eastern Europe. Westerners always show poor understanding of such nuances, and this is probably the main reason why their politicians are, lately, so impotent when trying to deal with our politicians. They approach countries like Hungary and Poland in the same way as they approach countries like Ukraine, Romania and Latvia, which is doomed to failure due to these nuances that Russians understand but Westerners apparently don't. Westerners generally imagine entire Eastern Europe and East-Central Europe as a monolithic "Post-Colonial region", inhabited by people with "post-colonial mentality". While the whole region was indeed affected by policies of foreign Empires in the last few centuries, the degree and nature of this influence varied. And of key importance is also the last 1000 years of history, not just the last 200 or 300 years. Russia (this goes without saying) as well as Hungary and Poland, and to a bit lesser degree also Lithuania and Czechia, are countries with long history of statehood, nationhood, and countries with some imperial past of their own (we were not just the oppressed ones, we were also the expansionists like Westerners, just on a smaller scale). Romanians, Ukrainians or Latvians, on the other hand, have been under foreign rule for a much longer time. However, Western politicians think that everyone in the region was like the latter three groups, and this is why their approach towards Hungary or Poland fails. Here comes the comment by that Russian nationalist, beware because you will find it offensive:

    They guy was using the derogatory word "Polack(s)" so I'm quoting it in the same form:

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    "Majority of Romanians are self-haters, while I have never met a single Polack who would bad mouth his/her own country. A Romanian follows everything western because he considers it superior to everything Romanian. A Polack also follows western trends, but only because it is currently fashionable. Polacks want to have all western luxuries, they claim to like English humor or some German customs, but they would never accept Polish subservience and obedience [to the West]. Generally Polacks do not view themselves as 'younger brothers' or 'mindless followers' [of the West], so with some change in local policies and in political parties in power, they can quickly become Anti-Western. On the other hand, Romanians lack any sense of national pride/patriotism, thus Westerners have them by the balls. Romanian nationalism exists, but it activates itself only when they need to blame somebody for some of their failures, in such situations Romanians unite in hatred against Gypsies, Hungarians, Jews, etc. Polacks view themselves and their country as Tier 1 people and country, while the West view them as a noname country and random people. Inability to handle such cognitive dissonance is the main reason of many of their problems in international politics. It is also the main reason of 'Polan Stronk' identity because permabutthurt caused by the lack of appreciation by Westerners became an integral part of their life. They would agree to become soulless atheist morally degenerate Westerners only as equal partners and on equal terms, which is never going to happen because Westerners look down on them. Their politicians and thus their state propaganda allied with the West only for economical reasons. Non pro-western groups of interests have no access to massess because they lack resourses that pro-western groups of interests have. But buttkissing from their politicians does not reflect perception of the majority of Poles. If the West declines and gets weakened, Poland will say farewell to them with no regrets."

    / End of quote.

    ^^^
    This description also applies to Hungary and Czechs (the latter also have strong pride and patriotism, but are much less vocal about it to not damage their reputation as non-nationalistic liberals).

    The last sentence: "if the West declines and gets weakened, Poland [and Czechs, and Hungary] will say farewell to them with no regrets" explains what Westerners recently call "lack of solidarity" from East-Central European countries during the Migration Crisis (Refugee Crisis). Western media propaganda attacks against Hungary, Poland etc. have one main goal: to turn us into non-problematic, obedient, subservient "Romanians". But the root of the problem is precisely this patronizing approach by Western politicians and Western media to people who can't stand such treatment, and people who do not blindly admire the West (as this Russian explained - Poles, Hungarians and Czechs alligned themselves with the West mainly for economic reasons, and in defence against Russian imperialism - but we are not like the pro-western part of Ukrainians or Romanians mentioned above, who suffer from severe cases of post-colonial mentality). Some nations are used to foreign authorities - such as Brussels - telling them what to do. Others, like Hungarians or Poles, can only agree to cooperate as equal partners.

    Basically this comes down to distinction between "plebeian" (Romania, Ukraine, Latvia, etc.) vs. "patrician-plebeian" (Russia, Hungary, Poland, Czechs) traditions of nationhood.

    The main goal of Anti-Hungarian etc. propaganda in the Western media, is to make us ashamed of our identity/heritage and force into obedience, like nations with weaker traditions of independence.

    This is going to backfire on the West, because like that Russian nationalist said - we are not strongly "emotionally attached" to Western Europe.

    We do not like Russia, but pragmatic choices are more important. Already before WW2 Czechs had an alliance with Soviet Russia, for example.

    Trump's America is also an alternative choice (as an ally) to Anti-Trump Western Europe.
    Last edited by Tomenable; 07-12-18 at 08:18.

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    How does Polack become derogatory word? In early use, I couldn't find bad meaning.

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    Now here is an interesting response by one Polish guy about Romania and that Russian nationalist:

    "We shouldn't focus on vulgarity or simplifications in this Russian's post, because the division in mentality among Eastern European nations into the ones with rather long history of statehood and of native high culture, and the ones descended from peasants under foreign rule who discovered that they are nations in the 19th century, indeed exists.

    However, I don't understand his fixation on Romanians, who actually have a rich history of statehood - it doesn't matter, that it was statehood dependent on the Ottomans, Poland-Lithuania or Habsburgs. I rather suppose, that what speaks through this Russian guy is natural arrogance and ignorance of the "largest Alpha in a herd" - a country, which within Eastern Europe achieved the greatest civilizational success, and despite this in the eyes of Westerners it still belongs among the losers of the last 500 years of history, just like much smaller Poland or Hungary. This is why Russian "butthurt" is relatively the greatest - after all they think that the world should admire and emulate them, instead of making fun of Adidas-wearing gopniks who once again did something funny in 'meanwhile in Russia' videos.

    Some kind of correlation between lacking a local strong national ethos and tradition of own statehood dating back earlier than the 19th century, and having it easier to integrate with dominant and attractive Western culture, surely exists."

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