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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    Was 40% to 50% Germanic Y-DNA in England founder effect too after the Roman Empire as E-V13 in Albania?
    Distance to: England_Roman
    0.01035444 Orcadian
    0.01119232 Scottish
    0.01218382 English
    0.01242992 Welsh
    0.01325782 Irish
    0.01418575 Dutch
    0.01428334 English_Cornwall
    0.01624564 French_Brittany
    0.01759155 Danish
    0.01942868 Norwegian
    0.01983105 Icelandic
    0.02068172 Shetlandic
    0.02338250 Afrikaner
    0.02401043 BelgianA
    0.02404264 German
    0.02697627 German_Hamburg
    0.02988358 BelgianB
    0.03056234 Swedish
    0.03078373 German_Erlangen
    0.03213594 French_Nord
    0.03220535 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03342267 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03468242 BelgianC
    0.03612353 French_Alsace
    0.03665699 French_Paris

    Even when Roman era Britons are much closer to modern Britons than Roman Albanians era were to modern Albanians. A Thracian/Eastern source is essential even without taking Y-DNA in consideration.
    The English are really glorious Celts, I1 and R1b-S21 Britons are likely hiding somewhere, it's just that the Proper Dictus Britunus have not been tested yet. This is Roman propaganda, trying to mislabel the English as Anglo tribes from Germany. So much conspiracy against the Britons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    Was 40% to 50% Germanic Y-DNA in England founder effect too after the Roman Empire as E-V13 in Albania?
    Distance to: England_Roman
    0.01035444 Orcadian
    0.01119232 Scottish
    0.01218382 English
    0.01242992 Welsh
    0.01325782 Irish
    0.01418575 Dutch
    0.01428334 English_Cornwall
    0.01624564 French_Brittany
    0.01759155 Danish
    0.01942868 Norwegian
    0.01983105 Icelandic
    0.02068172 Shetlandic
    0.02338250 Afrikaner
    0.02401043 BelgianA
    0.02404264 German
    0.02697627 German_Hamburg
    0.02988358 BelgianB
    0.03056234 Swedish
    0.03078373 German_Erlangen
    0.03213594 French_Nord
    0.03220535 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03342267 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03468242 BelgianC
    0.03612353 French_Alsace
    0.03665699 French_Paris

    Even when Roman era Britons are much closer to modern Britons than Roman Albanians era were to modern Albanians. A Thracian/Eastern source is essential even without taking Y-DNA in consideration.
    Ca rrot kari eshte ky. E papare fare.

    Literally every argument you make about Albanians can be made about Greeks who are a larger population. You're so obsessed with EV13 in Albanians you forget it's all over the Balkans and Greeks have have ~ the same % as Albanians. I already told you:

    (1) We have Thracian inscriptions. They are not related to Albanians linguistically. The Greek language has 0 Thracian words and are high EV13. Montenegro is almost 30% EV13.

    (2) We have Thracian samples. They plot far away from Albanians on PCA, while Albanians plot right next to Illyrians.

    This guy reminds me of morons blaming COVID on their own country's leaders when it's a global pandemic. EV13 is all over Europe. Even in Austria it reaches 10%.

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    If you wanted to argue about EV13 being spread externally, you'd pinpoint it to Roman Imperial admixture. The proximity of those samples to eastern Anatolia boosts that.



    Thracians are not spreading 25% to Greeks, 15% EV 13 to Italy, 20% in Ile of France, and up to 10% in Austro-Hungarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    If you wanted to argue about EV13 being spread externally, you'd pinpoint it to Roman Imperial admixture. The proximity of those samples to eastern Anatolia boosts that.



    Thracians are not spreading 25% to Greeks, 15% EV 13 to Italy, 20% in Ile of France, and up to 10% in Austro-Hungarians.
    Ever heard of the Thraco-Cimmerians, Eastern Hallstatt and the Dacians? Thsoe will play their role. We see it in the phylogeny of E-V13, these were the large upticks after the LBA-EIA transition. The Roman era was one big downfall for E-V13, so at best a redistribution, but not the era of growth and spread as such.

    If you mind, much of Greece was Thracian anyway:


    And this is a conservative map, with their influence reaching much further to the West.

    Also, if you use the standard heatmap, the area of the Daco-Thracians being still largely covered by the above 9 %:
    https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    If you wanted to argue about EV13 being spread externally, you'd pinpoint it to Roman Imperial admixture. The proximity of those samples to eastern Anatolia boosts that.



    Thracians are not spreading 25% to Greeks, 15% EV 13 to Italy, 20% in Ile of France, and up to 10% in Austro-Hungarians.
    E-V13 existed outside of Thracians too. E-V13 existed in Central Europe too and other places.

    And E-V13 in Greece is obviously a medieval phenomenon. Why would Cretans lack it and not Peloponnesians?

    Only in Central and Southern Italy it can be a founder effect where it is around 5% to 8%.

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    So, basically the second picture is telling that the Chimariots are not to be distinguished from Albanians, their dress and language being perfectly similar, and they do not understand one syllable of Romaic (Greek).
    So, in 1830 the Chimariots did not know any Greek.
    That's a fact that we knew for centuries. Lord Byron just confirming it.

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    Most "greeks" of Himara are just a product of pensions in exchange for declaring them self as minority, being paid for by german taxpayers money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Ever heard of the Thraco-Cimmerians, Eastern Hallstatt and the Dacians? Thsoe will play their role. We see it in the phylogeny of E-V13, these were the large upticks after the LBA-EIA transition. The Roman era was one big downfall for E-V13, so at best a redistribution, but not the era of growth and spread as such.

    If you mind, much of Greece was Thracian anyway:


    And this is a conservative map, with their influence reaching much further to the West.

    Also, if you use the standard heatmap, the area of the Daco-Thracians being still largely covered by the above 9 %:
    https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php
    Yes, Thraco-Cimmerians spread EV13 to 15% of Italy, peaking to 20% in Northwestern France or 33% in Central Greece. This is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.

    EV13 was a large wave that spread all over Roman Europe.

    Anyone trying to attribute it to Proto-Albanians or only Thracians or whatever is only doing it for their idiotic agenda.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    If you mind, much of Greece was Thracian anyway:

    Much of Greece was Thracian, yet they have 0 linguistic or cultural influence from Thracians.

    These Thracians must have formed one of the world's largest empires or something.

    P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Much of Greece was Thracian, yet they have 0 linguistic or cultural influence from Thracians.

    These Thracians must have formed one of the world's largest empires or something.

    P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian
    This is the perfect opportunity to share a list ancient testimonials that macadonians were not greek. I share video 1 although it should follow with the next video being suggested in sequential order. If not just go to the youtube channel to view the other videos



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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Much of Greece was Thracian, yet they have 0 linguistic or cultural influence from Thracians.

    These Thracians must have formed one of the world's largest empires or something.

    P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian
    The Greeks expanded into Thracian areas and colonised those later. You better learn history and some of those "idiotic facts" you seem to miss all too often:
    Bithynia is named for the Thracian tribe of the Bithyni, mentioned by Herodotus (VII.75) alongside the Thyni. The "Thraco-Phrygian" migration from the Balkans to Asia Minor would have taken place at some point following the Bronze Age collapse or during the early Iron Age. The Thyni and Bithyni appear to have settled simultaneously in the adjoining parts of Asia, where they expelled or subdued the Mysians, Caucones and other minor tribes, the Mariandyni maintaining themselves in the northeast. Herodotus mentions the Thyni and Bithyni as settling side by side.[1] No trace of their original language has been preserved, but Herodotus describes them as related to the tribes of Thracian extraction like the Phrygians and Armenians, whose languages may form part of the Paleo-Balkan group (although this is not certain and the theory is not universally accepted).
    Later the Greeks established on the coast the colonies of Cius (modern Gemlik); Chalcedon (modern Kadıköy), at the entrance of the Bosporus, nearly opposite Byzantium (modern Istanbul) and Heraclea Pontica (modern Karadeniz Ereğli), on the Euxine, about 120 miles (190 km) east of the Bosporus.[2]
    The Bithynians were incorporated by king Croesus within the Lydian monarchy, with which they fell under the dominion of Persia (546 BC), and were included in the satrapy of Phrygia, which comprised all the countries up to the Hellespont and Bosporus.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia

    All that happened well into the historical period, so its not even about archaeological cultures any more, even those cases being glass clear as well with the Thracian Channelled Ware and Psenichevo-Basarabi (Stamped Pottery, Kantharoi) groups of the Iron Age, which can be equated with Thracians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Yes, Thraco-Cimmerians spread EV13 to 15% of Italy, peaking to 20% in Northwestern France or 33% in Central Greece. This is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.

    EV13 was a large wave that spread all over Roman Europe.

    Anyone trying to attribute it to Proto-Albanians or only Thracians or whatever is only doing it for their idiotic agenda.

    Southwest France and Italy have around 5% to 10% E-V13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    Southwest France and Italy have around 5% to 10% E-V13.

    you are commenting on a map which has not been updated since May 2018 ................this map is not valid anymore
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihype02 View Post
    Southwest France and Italy have around 5% to 10% E-V13.
    Look at the Y-DNA ratios that this very site has posted by region.



    You're obsessed with EV13 in Albanians while ignoring that it spread all over Europe during the Roman Empire, in way larger frequencies than "Proto-Albanians" or "Thracians" can spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    The Greeks expanded into Thracian areas and colonised those later. You better learn history and some of those "idiotic facts" you seem to miss all too often:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia

    All that happened well into the historical period, so its not even about archaeological cultures any more, even those cases being glass clear as well with the Thracian Channelled Ware and Psenichevo-Basarabi (Stamped Pottery, Kantharoi) groups of the Iron Age, which can be equated with Thracians.
    Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent



    Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent



    Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?
    no......they are Pala people ....Palaic language

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_330759548

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent



    Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?
    Thraco-Cimmerians .....is around the gulf of Azov .............northern parts of the black sea

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent



    Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?
    I was talking about that:
    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian
    Just look at the map. And they were no Thraco-Cimmerians, because those lived in the Carpathian basin for the most part, we have the samples of one region Cimmerian and the locals (Daco-Thracians) from Mezocsat. The only problem with the latter is that for some reason they are half a dozen of females.

    North of Greece and in North Western Anatolia (including the area of the Bosporus) lived Channelled Ware/Knobbed Ware in the Transitional Period and later Stamped Pottery/Psenichevo-related, which is the group from which we got the E-V13 carriers from and which are considered Thracian Early Iron Age.

    Following the warlike destruction of the town, the VIIb phase in Troia, is mainly char-
    acterized by a change of ceramics. The new vessels are hand-made and as such,
    clearly different from the well-established Troian wheel-manufactured ceramic
    traditions. These so-called Knobbed and “Barbarian” wares were considered by most
    researchers as an indication of the arrival of a new ethnic group at Troia. The origin
    of this ceramic tradition was sought in southeastern Europe where similar pottery is
    abundant.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...s_of_Troia_VII

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    One other option, to explain the presence of E-V13 in Cyprus and South Italy is that E-V13 was one of the major lineages of Byzantine Empire, obviously mediated through Thracians. One South Italian member, has the same sub-clade as the Byzantine brothers from Nicaea. That's still up to debate, and only ancient DNA will resolve it.

    But, i expect classical Greece to show E-V13, would be weird not showing considering archaeological facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    One other option, to explain the presence of E-V13 in Cyprus and South Italy is that E-V13 was one of the major lineages of Byzantine Empire, obviously mediated through Thracians. One South Italian member, has the same sub-clade as the Byzantine brothers from Nicaea.

    But, i expect classical Greece to show E-V13, would be weird not showing considering archaeological facts.
    There is no way classical Greeks have no E-V13, even if it woudl be just due to later Thracian-Greek contacts. The question is just which frequency they got. I think it will vary a great deal within Greece, but being surely double digits in some regions. That it spread with Greeks later (too) is without doubt, especially for Southern Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olti27 View Post
    Most "greeks" of Himara are just a product of pensions in exchange for declaring them self as minority, being paid for by german taxpayers money.
    bruh.Albanians,especially tosks, have greek dna (around 30% in tosks).We can see that south albanians have more caucasian admixture than north albanians

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Look at the Y-DNA ratios that this very site has posted by region.



    You're obsessed with EV13 in Albanians while ignoring that it spread all over Europe during the Roman Empire, in way larger frequencies than "Proto-Albanians" or "Thracians" can spread.
    Says island of france. Is that corsica?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Says island of france. Is that corsica?
    That's the central French region around Paris:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Ele-de-France

    Such a high percentage of E1b in that region can only be attributed to Maghrebian migrants or some other sort of bias. There might be small regions in France in which E-V13 exceeds 10 %, but more than 20 % E1b around Île-de-France is completely out of question for the native French.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Says island of france. Is that corsica?
    I think it's a regional name for Paris district or some district near Paris, just google it.

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    LMAO at Derites sockpuppet accounts at Anthrogenica
    No one wants to hear your debunked shit theories dude. You come across as mentally unhinged by continuing for days now.

    And just like the Neo Illyrian mount he managed to ban another good and important thread over there regarding Albanians.

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