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“Man cannot live without a permanent trust in something indestructible in himself, and at the same time that indestructible something as well as his trust in it may remain permanently concealed from him.”
― Franz Kafka
In terms of language, it's obvious that Albanian is not of Bessi origin. The E-V13 "Proto-Albanian" concept is being used to reformulate a bunch of old, debunked theories.
Albanian can’t come from E-V13 alone, just as Greeks can’t come from J2a alone. A certain fusion took place, and certainly R1b was the trigger for that.
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Don't get me started, you have a beautifully set book from 2021 named Der Illyrer, the authors were cursed, insulted and crucified like it came from some superstitious cult members.
If you think Paleos hypothesis is debunked and has no linguistic implications just ignore it, skip it. It will not hurt. Personally, i don't support it, i don't ignore it, it's an option, why not. Just as originating somewhere slightly more West in Dardania is also an option, and Albania itself.
Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155
"Fear profits man, nothing"
These “theories” for Albanians, the list goes on for many years. For most of them there is no scientific foundation but politic agendas that ultimately ended in ethnic cleaning. So yes, everyone is free to post what they want , but in the other side Albanians are more that legitimized to react sometimes even beyond ethical limits, when the same old “theories” are spinned off as new models.
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Last edited by blevins13; 19-11-22 at 23:37.
i stated more than 2 years ago that ancient albanians are originally Dardanian people, followed closely by Paeonians and a distant 3rd are Epirotes ( chaones more than molossians epirotes)
there is very little Illyrian ( if there is such a tribe , as it is a geographical term .....like Scandinavian is ) in Albanians ............. history also states that illyrian tribes where never in Durres and only north of the town/city............
Albanians have been taught a rubbish nationalistic propaganda commenced by the Govnt...in 1975 to establish some kind of coastal lands as they originally never had in ancient times.
it seems to me that modern albanians hate to be known as Dardanians from Kosovo for some reason that escapes me
the 2021 paper i presented even confirms this ...................maybe because its a croatian/english written paper it is ignore
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Last edited by blevins13; 20-11-22 at 15:27. Reason: Repetitive
So if Dardanian+ Paeonian+ Chaonian (proto-Albanians) lived in the northern Albanian/ Montenegro mountains why not. You are getting close. Keep up this good work.
One more thing, most of the people (non Albanians) in this this forum in the past have licked what they spit about the origin of Albanians.
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I see. Well, it would make sense statistically speaking since E1b-V13>Z5017 has deep roots in the Balkan-Carpathian sphere and J2b-L283>Y22894, on the contrary, is clearly from the Western Balkans. It was just that that article was the only viable source on this matter, like the Hunyadi article, in which we see direct testing of the bones which is obviously even better. Regarding Skenderbeu there is no source at least not to my knowledge.
Ok, so the reason he thinks the Bassarab were: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y160670/ is that some branches from Moldova, have exactly the same subclade as the Bassarab branches from Romania: E-Y160670*. And none other repeats both in Moldova and Romania except for https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y160670/, other E-V13 subclades not, neither J2b2-L283. Eastern Moldova was known as Bassarab territory and it looks there are far more modern descendands there than in Romania.
But, the final verdict is tested bones for sure.
I also realized that a new sample from Hungary with FGC33621 to whom Berisha-Sop belongs has appeared in yfull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FGC33614/
This adds to the already present diversity in Alps and Pannonia of this particular subclade. I also don't agree with yfull's current time estimation/tmrca. It's too young estimation, something like 200-300 years younger when it should be in reverse 200-300 older approximately.
Happy flag day to my shqipez!
From https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....ty-map-for-fun
My new IRON AGE - ROMAN similarity map - for fun thread by Ph2ter over at anthro
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