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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    You guys collectively just attempt to twist facts/words lol. I am not Southern Albanian, so it was just more like an observation. For a guy pretending to fight for Albanian cause, heavily insulting Southern Albanians like that, is a paradox and it's quite suspicious.

    You are just intimidated by facts and arguments, and you must resort to petty discussions and ad-hominems.
    You are intentionally abusing with the names of respected archaeologists, Prendi and Korkutaj. It's not the first time that you are manipulating with their names. It's impossible that these respected scholars are in the same league with charlatans like Matzinger.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    What Wilkes was writing and Derite interpreting is that, Albanians do have partial Illyrian ancestry, but the Illyrians are not their linguistic ancestors. And this is what Matzinger is saying as well. He is proposing that those Albanian-Illyrian words are nothing more than folk etymologies, and essentially they don't belong to the same language family. Something which needs to be evaluated by other linguists as well.

    As for archeology part Matzinger/Lippert are basing/quoting their writing on Albanian archaeologists Frano Prendi, Muzafer Korkuti and Yugoslav ones Mario Gavranovic.

    I don't know what is it that you are not grasping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    You are intentionally abusing with the names of respected archaeologists, Prendi and Korkutaj. It's not the first time that you are manipulating with their names. It's impossible that these respected scholars are in the same league with charlatans like Matzinger.
    Matzinger is not a charlatan, he is a respected linguist on his field. And for archaeological part he probably never even edited or took part, he relied on Andreas Lippert one of the most respected archaeology professors from Vienna University.

    So, what am i abusing? And what did Andreas Lippert said?

    Let me put straightforward, Andreas Lippert on 2018:

    THE PROTOURBAN ILLYRIANS IN THE LATE IRON AGEAND THEIR CONTACTS TO THE GREEK WORLD


    Already in the Early and so more in the Middle amd Late Bronze Aegean ceramics and weapons are imported and imitated. But there is also a strong influence from the Danubian Urnfield culture.
    Characteristic for the Late Bronze Age are large hilltop-settlements with wall fortifications. Since that age there is a continuity of the indigene material culture in the Southern Adriatic areas and the new cultural unity has been called Mat-Glasinac-Culture in reference to the North-Albanian river Mat and the tableland of Glasinac in the Herzegovina. In the Early Iron Age (11th - 8th cent. B.C.) the contacts to Greece increase steadily and reach a high level at the end of the Middle Iron Age in the 7th cent. with numerous imports of fine ware, ornaments and offensive as well as defensive arms, just as swords, helmets and greaves.


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    And, in his 2021 book Die Illyrer(the archaeological part of the book was written by Andreas Lippert, the linguistic part by Joachim Matzinger), Andreas Lippert drops his opinion of strong influence from the Danubian Urnfield culture (after probably extensive look and not considering Veneti, Histri as proper Illyrian anymore) in support of Yugoslav archaeologists like Benac, Albanian archaeologists like Frano Prendi, and probably from the latest one to deal with the Proto-Illyrian issue like Mario Gavranovic that Proto-Illyrians had little Urnfield influence. This is 100% correct.

    Frano Prendi was of that opinion, he said that Pannonian Urnfield or so called Danubian Urnfield influenced only Southern Albania during Bronze to Iron Age transition. Benac was the first to put this opinion forward though, which was supported by Frano Prendi.

    Frano Prendi never even mentioned anything beyond Illyrian archaeological records, i didn't quote him saying that Illyrians and Albanians don't have continuity, Muzafer Korkutaj neither, Korkutaj mentioned the Kanellure influence on Late Bronze Age Albania, probably Kanellure was another name for Pannonian Urnfield which Frano Prendi already mentioned, but it had limited effect only on Southern Albania.

    So, to summarize, Andreas Lippert/Joachim Matzinger in the book 2021 Die Illyrer agree with Frano Prendi/Benac/Gavranovic/Korkutaj that Proto-Illyrians had not strong Danubian Urnfield influence.But, how much Danubian Urnfield influence they had, that's still up to discussion. More extensive archaeological excavations will reveal more, just like Liburnian sites which quite recently revealed the cremation graves in urns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Listen up, you have a big mouth, in some posts without any provocations you insulted family members of whole Southern Albanians, but bear in mind that those are heavy insults and someone can come to your house and make you pay every single word. Don't be so stupid, it's internet but don't push yourself too much
    Tbh I think it's too late for them, but I don't think they will get any backlash from south albanians but rather probably kosova albanians.

    Some of the stuff this guy and fustan wrote about kosova albanians, even saying filthy things about war victims, I'm pretty sure they will face consequences. There are Kosova Albanians that will not tolerate offending them on certain subjects, especially if they have victims in their family from the war, and also tbh they are vengeful and not about forgive and forget. Kosova youth has thousands working in IT, this site is super easy to track IPs through, and there are some lines that cannot be crossed. Their obsession with hating on kosova albanians is recorded here on countless posts and will cost them imo.
    "As we have already stressed, the mass evacuation of the Albanians from their triangle is the only effective course we can take. In order to relocate a whole people, the first prerequisite is the creation of a suitable psychosis. This can be done in various ways." - Vaso Cubrilovic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Matzinger is not a charlatan, he is a respected linguist on his field. And for archaeological part he probably never even edited or took part, he relied on Andreas Lippert one of the most respected archaeology professors from Vienna University.

    So, what am i abusing? And what did Andreas Lippert said?

    Let me put straightforward, Andreas Lippert on 2018:



    And, in his 2021 book Die Illyrer(the archaeological part of the book was written by Andreas Lippert, the linguistic part by Joachim Matzinger), Andreas Lippert drops his opinion of strong influence from the Danubian Urnfield culture (after probably extensive look and not considering Veneti, Histri as proper Illyrian anymore) in support of Yugoslav archaeologists like Benac, Albanian archaeologists like Frano Prendi that Proto-Illyrians had little Urnfield influence. This is 100% correct, Frano Prendi was of that opinion, he said that Pannonian Urnfield or so called Danubian Urnfield influenced only Southern Albania during Bronze to Iron Age transition. Benac was the first to put this opinion forward though, which was supported by Frano Prendi.

    Frano Prendi never even mentioned anything beyond Illyrian archaeological records, i didn't quote him saying that Illyrians and Albanians don't have continuity, Muzafer Korkutaj neither, Korkutaj mentioned the Kanellure influence on Late Bronze Age Albania, probably Kanellure was another name for Pannonian Urnfield which Frano Prendi already mentioned, but it had limited effect only on Southern Albania.
    Matziger mund të jetë gjithçka por jo një studiues serioz. Ai pa filluar nga studimi deklaroi se shqiptarët nuk kanë lidhje me ilirët. Lexoje më poshtë se çfarë ka thënë dhe në shoqërinë e kujt është:
    Kështu Matzinger kundërshton tezën e Çabejt: “Natyrisht që Çabej kishte tjetër mendim, por sipas hulumtimeve të mia, argumentimi im themelor është se sistemi fonologjik i proto-shqipes dhe i sistemi i ilirishtes janë dy sisteme të ndryshme që nuk pajtohen njëri me tjetrin. Kemi një ndryshim, një diferencë, janë periudha gjuhësore, të cilat duhen interpretuar si dy gjuhë të ndryshme. Kjo është baza ime themelore.”
    Çështja e politizimit të shkencave historike e studimeve në gjuhësi, etnografi, letërsi ishte një kryefjalë e takimit të së martës. Subjektivizmi dhe folklorizmi si tipare që e shmangin nga fokusi i kërkimit shkencor objektin e studimit, kanë krijuar një traditë e farkuar nën sistemin e kaluar. Këtë pohuan autorët e pranishëm, Nathalie Clayer, Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Oliver Jens Schmitt dhe moderatori i takimit publicisti Fatos Lubonja. Shkas u bë prezantimi në Fakultetin e Historisë e Filologjisë i librit “Historia e Shqiptarëve. Gjendja dhe perspektiva e studimit” (Botimet Përpjekja, 2012). Në këtë botim janë përfshirë ligjërata e Joachim Matzinger “Shqiptarët si pasardhës të ilirëve nga këndvështrimi i gjuhësisë historike” dhe një tjetër nga kolegu i tij i Universitetit të Vjenës, Stefan Schumacher, me titull “Marrëdhëniet e huazimeve mes protoshqipes dhe latinishtes apo rumanishtes ballkanike”.
    Prandaj mos i ngatërro këta emra të respektuar arkeologësh shqiptarë me pisllëqet tuaja. Kaq!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Matziger mund të jetë gjithçka por jo një studiues serioz. Ai pa filluar nga studimi deklaroi se shqiptarët nuk kanë lidhje me ilirët. Lexoje më poshtë se çfarë ka thënë dhe në shoqërinë e kujt është:



    Prandaj mos i ngatërro këta emra të respektuar arkeologësh shqiptarë me pisllëqet tuaja. Kaq!
    Mos kerce tash tjeterkund, me akuzove se po i kerqperdori citimet, dhe citova ne perpikshmeri kontekstin me cka dole gabim.

    Fatos Lubonja, edhe nje tjeter ja harrova emrin qe jane te fiksum me Otomanet dhe Serbet, Fahri Xharra me Pellazget gjithe boten, nje tjeter nga Kosova, njefar Gashi qe pretendon qe ka dekodu stemen e Lemnosit me gjuhen Shqipe-Pellazge, Elena Kocaqi me Pellazget gjithandej, disa pseudo-studjues Serb qe her dalin ne Molldavi here ne Kavkaz, kto jane sharlatane.

    Cabej, Prendi, Korkutaj kto kane kriju teori ne baze te metodave shkencore. Dhe normal qe i citoj kurdo qe ka nevoj.

    Matzinger e ka pohu nje teori linguistike, jo gjenetike, tash, pse e ka pohu ate, nuk e ka vulos ne deftere. As nuk e ben sharlatan ate, se eshte diqka qe nuk kam ndegju dhe has diku per te perveq disave kendej qe ja fusin si lopa bagles. Dhe ka shume persona qe pajtohen me Matzinger. Nese ka linguist qe nuk pajtohen, lirisht munden me kundershtu mendimin e tij, nuk ka kriju monopol me teorine e tij. Edhe une jam i mendimit se e verteta qendron diku ne mes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Ai pa filluar nga studimi deklaroi se shqiptarët nuk kanë lidhje me ilirë
    Shume e qarte:

    Matinzger: sipas hulumtimeve të mia, argumentimi im themelor është se sistemi fonologjik i proto-shqipes dhe i sistemi i ilirishtes janë dy sisteme të ndryshme që nuk pajtohen njëri me tjetrin. Kemi një ndryshim, një diferencë, janë periudha gjuhësore, të cilat duhen interpretuar si dy gjuhë të ndryshme. Kjo është baza ime themelore.”

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    [QUOTE=Dushman;648292]
    I am indeed Z5017>Z17107>BY4461, that same branch as Unikkatil (another coincidence) and Trojet knows this very well because my results were posted on their project as well as Rrenjet. I have no reason to lie about it. If I wanted to lie I'd choose J2b2 since it appears it was dominant among early Illyrians.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    Yes, I confirm.
    I don’t know who you’re trying to manipulate after already receiving an answer from Trojet that I am E-V13. I got my results and joined the Albanian group on Yseq. Of course, you knew that and you still wrote it. Shows your character.

    Secondly, as your character is already obvious, you try to put me against South Albanians. Big fail! I, together with all the other Albanians here, disagreeing with 1 single Albanian member from Berat who claims that I2a-Din is Illyrian-Bastarnae superior first European haplogroup with blonde hair and blue eyes and how people from Berat are so tall compared to other Albanians. We all here agree that I2a is not Illyrian and we don’t deny a Migration Period expansion; we all agree that I2a doesn’t make you tall, blonde with blue eyes, and I also intervened on the misinformation that Berat, on the contrary, has one of the shortest people in Albania and that is a fact.

    Did you really believe that you were again going to manipulate other members into believing I’m the bad guy when my opposition is delirious with Nordicist I2a tall blonde dreams? Again, shows your character.

    Then it was me vs some of you Kosovar Trojans who said that there are Southern Albanians like Labs who are taller than even most Ghegs and you disagreed. So who’s hating on Southern Albanians?

    Then you accuse me of being Dema.

    You, Derite, and Dema have so much in common, starting from being anti-Illyrian, Kosovars, and Muslim. Dema openly insulted Illyrians as stupid barbarian pirates as opposed to his smart Phoenician adventurer ancestor who colonized the Mediterranean.

    I’m not a Kosovar, I’m North Western Albanian, of fully Catholic heritage, and I stand with all my Albanian brothers from Albania, Montenegro, Kosovo (except you with Trojan identity crisis), North Macedonia, and Greece for my Albanian culture and I’m trying my best to contribute with as much as I can as an amateur, even collecting autosomal samples from all the Albanian regions for Bruzmi and other members to create PCAs and whatnot for everyone to see, read, and get entertained in the process.

    What is your contribution? Dardanian separatism, exclusivity on Albanian language, gifting Central and Southern Albania to Greeks before you superior non Romanized Dardanians came down to colonize us and give us your language. Your dude Derite is the owner of Albanian History on Twitter constantly pushing his separatist ideas using MY COUNTRY’S name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Mos kerce tash tjeterkund, me akuzove se po i kerqperdori citimet, dhe citova ne perpikshmeri kontekstin me cka dole gabim.

    Fatos Lubonja, edhe nje tjeter ja harrova emrin qe jane te fiksum me Otomanet dhe Serbet, Fahri Xharra me Pellazget gjithe boten, nje tjeter nga Kosova, njefar Gashi qe pretendon qe ka dekodu stemen e Lemnosit me gjuhen Shqipe-Pellazge, Elena Kocaqi me Pellazget gjithandej, disa pseudo-studjues Serb qe her dalin ne Molldavi here ne Kavkaz, kto jane sharlatane.

    Cabej, Prendi, Korkutaj kto kane kriju teori ne baze te metodave shkencore. Dhe normal qe i citoj kurdo qe ka nevoj.

    Matzinger e ka pohu nje teori linguistike, jo gjenetike, tash, pse e ka pohu ate, nuk e ka vulos ne deftere. As nuk e ben sharlatan ate, se eshte diqka qe nuk kam ndegju dhe has diku per te perveq disave kendej qe ja fusin si lopa bagles. Dhe ka shume persona qe pajtohen me Matzinger. Nese ka linguist qe nuk pajtohen, lirisht munden me kundershtu mendimin e tij, nuk ka kriju monopol me teorine e tij. Edhe une jam i mendimit se e verteta qendron diku ne mes.
    Je ti që po kërcen degë më degë dhe vazhdon të sjellësh emra sharlatanësh që nuk kanë asnjë lidhje me çfarë po flasim. Po ta përsëris. Mos përdor emra studiuesish të respektuar shqiptarë si mburojë për sharlatanë të kalibrit të Mazinger. Ai grup personash ku bën pjesë edhe Matziger janë të gjithë zogjtë e sorrës të Open Society dhe tani edhe Open Ballkan. Këta janë terroristë mediatikë që përgatisin terrenin për shfarrosjen e kombeve.

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    The posts on that thread were deleted apparently, but i am 100% sure you insulted Southern Albanians and their family members, their daughters. There are other Albanians here who saw your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Shume e qarte:
    Matinzger: sipas hulumtimeve të mia, argumentimi im themelor është se sistemi fonologjik i proto-shqipes dhe i sistemi i ilirishtes janë dy sisteme të ndryshme që nuk pajtohen njëri me tjetrin. Kemi një ndryshim, një diferencë, janë periudha gjuhësore, të cilat duhen interpretuar si dy gjuhë të ndryshme. Kjo është baza ime themelore.”
    Kur ke dëshirë ti bëhesh i dobishëm. Me ndihmën tënde po ja shpjegoj këtij Hawk se Korkuti dhe Matziger janë dy pole krejt të kundërta:
    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Professor Muzaffer Korkuti recalls his encounter with N.G.L Hammond where he discussed precisely how he had misunderstood Epirus Tumuli:

    In 1970, during the II Congress of Southeast European Studies in Athens I presented a study on “Illyrian-Aegean cultural connections.” I was 34 years old then, but I had quite an abundant material from discoveries at tumuli at Pazhok, Vajze, Vodina and other Albanian locations which revealed that the tumuli burial at Pazhok and Vajze was practiced not only during the Bronze Age 2,000 years before, but the practice continued during the Iron Age, indicating a continuous practice of the ritual, by the same population. The same burial grounds would not be used by people of different culture or area. Thus, I indicated that based on this evidence, it would be reasonable to conclude, that the same population that inhabited the area during the Iron Age, had inhabited the area previously, that is during the Bronze Age. (wb-This population came to be identified as Illyrian) Use of this parameter identify the population associated with this ritual at this historical period would be most appropriate.


    Professor N.Hammondi, a British scholar, had expressed the view that the buried people at Pazhok tumuli, belonging to the Middle Bronze period, 1,600 years before Christ, were Greek-speaking. He had been relying on insufficient data. I contradicted this speculative view, and at the Congress I indicated that the manner of the burial in these late Bronze Age tumuli had not changed and this ritual was practiced by people of the same cultural (or ethnicity), and the Illyrians during the Middle Bronze Age did not speak Greek. If there had been Greek writing in the weapons, these weapons had been bought through trade relations by tribal chieftains, while ceramic wares were of domestic production. The latter were their home wares, Illyrian products. Thus, I indicated that this population was not Greek-speaking, but an indigenous population who had its own language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    Kur ke dëshirë ti bëhesh i dobishëm. Me ndihmën tënde po ja shpjegoj këtij Hawk se Korkuti dhe Matziger janë dy pole krejt të kundërta:
    Askund ne postin tim nuk kam perzier mendime ndermjet Korkutit dhe Matzingerit, kjo eshte nje tentative e ytja. Une kam thene qe Andreas Lippert ka citu si baze Prendin, Benac, Gavranovic dhe Korkutin se Proto-Iliret kane pas ndikim te vogel te Urnfieldit. Korkuti ka qene arkeolog e jo linguist.

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    Mendoj se u shpreha shumë qartë në atë që thashë.

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    For the people show are interested about the opinion of Professor Korkuti, the link below has also a section in English language.

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    The rule of 20 posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pashai Janinës View Post
    For the people show are interested about the opinion of Professor Korkuti, the link below has also a section in English language.
    Good, because you are trying to missrepresent what i was trying to say.

    Matzinger/Lippert on the book make a citation to Korkuti on archaeological section that Proto-Illyrians were an Early/Middle Bronze Age continuation, and this has absolutely nothing to do with Matzinger's linguistic part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post

    What is your contribution? Dardanian separatism, exclusivity on Albanian language, gifting Central and Southern Albania to Greeks before you superior non Romanized Dardanians came down to colonize us and give us your language. Your dude Derite is the owner of Albanian History on Twitter constantly pushing his separatist ideas using MY COUNTRY’S name.
    My contribution? I've gotten thousands interested in the Albanian subject. I've gotten hundreds of even foreigners, some of them scientists, interested in Albanian history, genetics, linguistics, ethnography, etc. I've made countless young people think about the origin of Albanian, i'm sure there will be future students that will pursue linguistics of Albanian specifically because of my work and contribution. I've made boring subjects interesting and digestible for laymen audiences that otherwise would never have cared.

    And you? What have you done? Great defender of Albania 🤣

    Bubrrec 🐜

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    Meanwhile you have 7 likes on your last attempt to make Albanian a Dardanian language. All 7 from people from Kosovo who find your “contributions” convenient for their separatist ideas.

    How are you contributing when Albanians from Albania despise you and the majority of Kosovo Albanians (not Ottomanist Trojans with identity crisis) openly oppose you and your stance?

    You’re contributing to the finalization of the separatist process which is well underway in Kosovo, with the latest study showing only 13% of Kosovars want to marry someone from Albania whereas 60% of Albanians responded positively. 13% vs 60%.

    You and your people are no longer part of our nation. Next time you people SPECIFICALLY get attacked by the Serbian Army, I will root and cheer for them to continue their anti-Ottoman crusade and close my doors to foreigners like you.

    And I forgot to reply to the childish attempt of IT guys hacking me and finding my IP address. I’ll add you on Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, wherever you Ottomans want, and arrange a meeting with each of you brave heroes. Just don’t cry on TV like you usually do when you come to Velipoja or Shengjin on how the locals are too aggressive and rude towards you, ok Ottoman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Ok, it seems you are actually mentally ill. You seem to be stalking and pathologically obsessed with me. Look at this insane crap you wrote with your sock puppet "Zanatis" on anthrogenica.
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    It seems you also have some weird af delusions, such as your obsession with this "ottoman" insult. Do you think that you are somehow affecting me or something with this? This has like no relevance to me or anything. You must be fuming lol.So cringe.
    You're a fan of mine that is cross with me because I wont pay you any attention, is that it?
    You are such a pathetic loser, lol.

    Yes, that is him and his trolling is indeed cringe. He is obsessed with Yugoslav-type war propaganda of Kosovo Albanians and other Albanians supposedly having Turkish Ottoman ancestry. This of course does not bother "Albanian patriots" and internet enthusiasts on these fora. Nor have they taken the effort to report him for spouting non sense about Southern Albanians, talking about wanting to rape someone's sisters and other such stuff. Not to forget the whole "Serbs have raped your women e ta shtoft shkau listen e Dasmes" or „I still believe there’s Ottoman Era admixture in Kosovars as it’s obvious in their facial features, eye shape and sockets, complexion, etc. They look Anatolian.“ comments made by him. He has messaged me worse by the way saying "Serbs have raped your sisters". There are 10 posts from that other individual Fustan talking about Kosovo Albanians being mentally ill due to the war, and at more than one occasion directly addressing me. Meanwhile it seems to be a big problem if people discuss aDNA or some refer to themselves as Kosovo Albanians, what a crime.

    As for all of that Ottoman pseudoscientific non sense, I could not care less, he is not affecting me or others with that garbage in any way lol he just embarrasses himself.

    Çudi se kush akuzohet ktu per perqarje e kush lavdohet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post

    You and your people are no longer part of our nation. Next time you people SPECIFICALLY get attacked by the Serbian Army, I will root and cheer for them to continue their anti-Ottoman crusade and close my doors to foreigners like you.
    Disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post

    Yes, that is him and his trolling is indeed cringe. He is obsessed with Yugoslav-type war propaganda of Kosovo Albanians and other Albanians supposedly having Turkish Ottoman ancestry. This of course does not bother "Albanian patriots" and internet enthusiasts on these fora. Nor have they taken the effort to report him for spouting non sense about Southern Albanians, talking about wanting to rape someone's sisters and other such stuff. Not to forget the whole "Serbs have raped your women e ta shtoft shkau listen e Dasmes" or „I still believe there’s Ottoman Era admixture in Kosovars as it’s obvious in their facial features, eye shape and sockets, complexion, etc. They look Anatolian.“ comments made by him. He has messaged me worse by the way saying "Serbs have raped your sisters". There are 10 posts from that other individual Fustan talking about Kosovo Albanians being mentally ill due to the war, and at more than one occasion directly addressing me. Meanwhile it seems to be a big problem if people discuss aDNA or some refer to themselves as Kosovo Albanians, what a crime.

    As for all of that Ottoman pseudoscientific non sense, I could not care less, he is not affecting me or others with that garbage in any way lol he just embarrasses himself.

    Çudi se kush akuzohet ktu per perqarje e kush lavdohet.
    Yep. Important to remember this guy and his crew who comment with glee about serbs raping kosova albanians are trying to pretend they are noble or something. These people deserve nothing but disrespect.

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    From my understanding, Albanian archaeologist Rovena Kurti associates the kanellure/channeled with LBA phenomena from Glasinac plateau

    The distribution of ribbed bracelets in the Balkansdates since their first appearance in Central Europe. They have a long currencyhere, whereas a variant with rolled ends persists in the Dalmatian coast until the endof LBA75. However, the bracelets of a high sheet of bronze and of simple parallelterminals like our examples, in the necropoleis of Glasinac plateau, in Bosnia, aremore characteristic for MBA and the beginning of the Late Bronze Age, or untilphase IIIa (up to the 13th century B.C.)76. Based on the development of this typein the north, it seems plausible to date the ribbed bracelets from northeast Albaniain the LBA, rather than to the EIA as it has been proposed. In grave 2 of tumulus4 of Kënetë, the pair of ribbed bracelets is associated by a small kantharos withchanneled decoration (otherwise called kanellure decoration) consisting of widelyspaced vertical or slightly oblique grooves or ribbings, which can be considered asone of the earliest appearances of this type of decoration in LBA Albania. In theLofkënd tumulus one one-handle vessel, with a similar round base and with thesame type of widely spaced grooves was dated to the 12-11th centuries B.C.77 Ataround the same dates, this decoration appears in central and southeast Albania78.Considering also the northern origin proposed for this type of decoration in LBAAlbania, the dating of our pair of ribbed bracelets around the last phase of theirdevelopment in the Glasinac plateau, or in the 13th century, should not be excluded.

    https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/...95818/document
    I wouldn't be surprised if some western variants of Vatin fused there. Perhaps even later Gava. But, that's something to see in forthcoming aDNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post

    Yes, that is him and his trolling is indeed cringe. He is obsessed with Yugoslav-type war propaganda of Kosovo Albanians and other Albanians supposedly having Turkish Ottoman ancestry. This of course does not bother "Albanian patriots" and internet enthusiasts on these fora. Nor have they taken the effort to report him for spouting non sense about Southern Albanians, talking about wanting to rape someone's sisters and other such stuff. Not to forget the whole "Serbs have raped your women e ta shtoft shkau listen e Dasmes" or „I still believe there’s Ottoman Era admixture in Kosovars as it’s obvious in their facial features, eye shape and sockets, complexion, etc. They look Anatolian.“ comments made by him. He has messaged me worse by the way saying "Serbs have raped your sisters". There are 10 posts from that other individual Fustan talking about Kosovo Albanians being mentally ill due to the war, and at more than one occasion directly addressing me. Meanwhile it seems to be a big problem if people discuss aDNA or some refer to themselves as Kosovo Albanians, what a crime.

    As for all of that Ottoman pseudoscientific non sense, I could not care less, he is not affecting me or others with that garbage in any way lol he just embarrasses himself.

    Çudi se kush akuzohet ktu per perqarje e kush lavdohet.
    Bla bla bla he/him/she/her style drama.

    Trying to get everyone’s attention with drama but you are lonely birds disrespected by the majority of Albanians.

    And you’re right not to like me. We Albanians have a difficult and cruel side of the character that you foreigners never understood and will never understand. We’re aware of it and we have no intention to change.

    I’ve read several comments of Roland Bartetzko on your type of Kosovars (not Albanian highlanders from Kosovo who bled against Serbs) about their character during the war and now post war and it all makes sense. We feel relieved for thinking of you the way we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post
    Disgusting.
    Coming from the guy who was spitting on Albania proper and its people, despite the fact they opened their doors to your people in Kosove, and provided food/drink/clothing/shelter(and rightfully so of course). Albanians like you in Kosove who shit on their neighbors don't realize they likely wouldn't be alive, or even born if Albanians didn't help their brothers and sisters in Kosove.

    Regardless of Dushmans tone, he isn't necessarily wrong. Many of you are separatist these days, and act like Albanians from Albania are dirty vermin. That same vermin protected you from annihilation before America stepped in to bomb Serbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post
    Disgusting.
    Well I'm a Kosovo Albanian and I agree with his comment honestly.

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