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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Coming from the guy who was spitting on Albania proper and its people, despite the fact they opened their doors to your people in Kosove, and provided food/drink/clothing/shelter(and rightfully so of course). Albanians like you in Kosove who shit on their neighbors don't realize they likely wouldn't be alive, or even born if Albanians didn't help their brothers and sisters in Kosove.

    Regardless of Dushmans tone, he isn't necessarily wrong. Many of you are separatist these days, and act like Albanians from Albania are dirty vermin. That same vermin protected you from annihilation before America stepped in to bomb Serbia.
    Ok, so some imagined nonsense in your head means his comments about war rape are something normal and not completely unforgivable and sick? Mjeran
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    Jesus, what a mess guys. Embarrassing stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Ok, so some imagined nonsense in your head means his comments about war rape are something normal and not completely unforgivable and sick? Mjeran
    I don't support such comments. If you read my comment properly I said he wasn't necessarily wrong. That is purely in regards to this separatist mentality among some of the youth in Kosove today. Maybe I should have been more clear, but I don't appreciate your assumptions.

    I had family in Kosove that suffered atrocities during the war. Family I will never meet. You can point fingers and pretend I support such evil, which never came out of my mouth. But you would be dead wrong to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    I don't support such comments. If you read my comment properly I said he wasn't necessarily wrong. That is purely in regards to this separatist mentality among some of the youth in Kosove today. Maybe I should have been more clear, but I don't appreciate your assumptions.

    I had family in Kosove that suffered atrocities during the war. Family I will never meet. You can point fingers and pretend I support such evil, which never came out of my mouth. But you would be dead wrong to do so.
    Man they’re even trying to convince Angela that me and Fustan are talking about Kosovo rape when Fustan is from Kosovo himself.

    They’re so upset they’re trying their best to put words in our mouths just so they can continue unbothered with their propaganda here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Ok, so some imagined nonsense in your head means his comments about war rape are something normal and not completely unforgivable and sick? Mjeran
    It’s the 10th time you say I’m Dema, I’m not E-V13, I commented about war rape. Can you provide proof like I do?

    You do realize that your lies are easy to spot right? They can check my IP address and unlike you I actually live in Albania.

    None of the guys you mistake me for lived in Albania. They were immigrants somewhere else and few of them were anti-Illyrian supporters like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    Man they’re even trying to convince Angela that me and Fustan are talking about Kosovo rape when Fustan is from Kosovo himself.

    They’re so upset they’re trying their best to put words in our mouths just so they can continue unbothered with their propaganda here.
    Are you kidding me? "Jau shtoft shkau listen e dasmes" is what you have written here on this particular thread whilst also spreading misinformation and pseudoscientific couch potato theories about Kosovo Albanians having Middle Eastern ancestry (ironically you and your fake g25 coordinates of your relatives have the highest amount of East Med I have seen in Albanians). You in particular over on Anthrogenica wrote to me "the Serb has raped your sisters" and "the Serbs have raped your women for 1000 years".

    Not to forget all of your Ottoman ancestry obsession and those ethnic cleansing disgusting bs comments.

    Keep embarrassing yourself. You're not my problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post
    Are you kidding me? "Jau shtoft shkau listen e dasmes" is what you have written here on this particular thread whilst also spreading misinformation and pseudoscientific couch potato theories about Kosovo Albanians having Middle Eastern ancestry (ironically you and your fake g25 coordinates of your relatives have the highest amount of East Med I have seen in Albanians). You in particular over on Anthrogenica wrote to me "the Serb has raped your sisters" and "the Serbs have raped your women for 1000 years".

    Not to forget all of your Ottoman ancestry obsession and those ethnic cleansing disgusting bs comments.

    Keep embarrassing yourself. You're not my problem.
    I said what? Shtoft shkau listen e dasmes? What does that even mean? May the Serbs increase your wedding list? Man, what the hell are you talking about? Do you even speak Albanian?

    My relatives are fake too now? Several members here (including Italians) have all our Gedmatch kits. You’re trying your best here, I see.

    Have you seen the K13 of the Illyrian samples from Croatia and Montenegro? Why don’t you post your own coordinates here then? Let us see them.

    Again, you’re accusing me me of being several other people? How many internet enemies do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    P.s. Happy Independence Day, independent guy. Te ashtufte shkau listen e dasmes.
    I am just quoting your bad Albanian

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    As for Illyrians, where do you think my parental lines came from? We will get Copper Age/Bronze Age samples from the ancient Balkans, more Proto-Illyrian Dinaric/Posusje now even Cetina samples will be added and E1b-V13 especially your line won't be part of that story, so keep dreaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post
    I am just quoting your bad Albanian
    Dude, do you even speak Albanian or you're purposely twisting the translation for the moderators to read? Keep posting so that everyone sees them. Don't inbox me.

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    I am not twisting anything I am just translating something which is very very incorrect and bad Albanian. You surely are from the diaspora otherwise no eloquent speaking Albanian from Albania speaks like you do.

    Either way as I already said, you're not my problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Askund ne postin tim nuk kam perzier mendime ndermjet Korkutit dhe Matzingerit, kjo eshte nje tentative e ytja. Une kam thene qe Andreas Lippert ka citu si baze Prendin, Benac, Gavranovic dhe Korkutin se Proto-Iliret kane pas ndikim te vogel te Urnfieldit. Korkuti ka qene arkeolog e jo linguist.
    Speaking of Gavranovic, as far as I can recall, I am sure you have heard of it too, there will be a lecture held by him, Matzinger and another linguist I think. The lecture intends to include also archeogenetic data to support or refute/ invalidate linguistic stand points/ theories in regards to Paleo-Balkan languages. Wondering once the Southern Arc split papers are published what their linguistic proposals will be. There is also other linguists who've scheduled lectures around that time frame (think it was September). Should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post
    I am not twisting anything I am just translating something which is very very incorrect and bad Albanian. You surely are from the diaspora otherwise no eloquent speaking Albanian from Albania speaks like you do.

    Either way as I already said, you're not my problem.
    Neighbour, you're trying too hard. Give it a rest. I'm not who you think I am, I live in Albania (moderators can check my IP), I am a recently tested E-V13 member of the Albanian Project. You're either doing this on purpose or getting paranoid.

    Leave me out of your old personal quarrels with other fora members.

    The reason why this escalated is because you, Derite, and Hawk wrongly assumed I'm someone else and immediately attacked me for having a different opinion. We were discussing Matzinger and you all started with "stupid, chimp, go play with banana, retarded" etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post
    Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO] - Page 9 (eupedia.com)

    You have earned yourself some real hate. :) I hope I find someone that knows your real identity.
    Is that threat?
    maybe members do not read my posts,
    but I did not threat someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mount123 View Post
    As for Illyrians, where do you think my parental lines came from? We will get Copper Age/Bronze Age samples from the ancient Balkans, more Proto-Illyrian Dinaric/Posusje now even Cetina samples will be added and E1b-V13 especially your line won't be part of that story, so keep dreaming.
    Again with this shit? Did you not see the era-by-era Balkans leak that pretty much showed EV-13 experienced a recent founder effect?

    It's not a matter of EV-13 existing in Place A or Place B. It was just a minor lineage until the age of the Roman Empire.

    Stop with this 1 YDNA = 1 population shit. It's getting annoying and outright idiotic. Yamnaya were overwhelmingly RZ2103 and now it's a minor lineage. You know why? Because frequencies change over thousands of years dumbass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    Again with this shit? Did you not see the era-by-era Balkans leak that pretty much showed EV-13 experienced a recent founder effect?

    It's not a matter of EV-13 existing in Place A or Place B. It was just a minor lineage until the age of the Roman Empire.

    Stop with this 1 YDNA = 1 population shit. It's getting annoying and outright idiotic. Yamnaya were overwhelmingly RZ2103 and now it's a minor lineage. You know why? Because frequencies change over thousands of years dumbass.
    This is a propaganda stemming from foleja/Albanian DNA/Rrenjet affiliaties, and of course people like Dushman/Excine don't see any problem with it, on contrary, that's why they get so pissed and triggered whenever they hear Central Balkans/Eastern Balkans Dacian/Thracian related sites leaked or revealed as E-V13. Because they need to fit this scenario.

    But, the reality as stated in this paper is:

    Individuals from the first cluster fall on an area of the PCA delimited by the “ Balkan Iron Age cline” (Figure 1A). Consistent with this, we model the ancestry of this Balkans Iron Age Cluster as predominantly deriving from Iron Age (IA) groups from nearby areas in the Balkans, with 67% Aegean Bronze Age-related ancestry and the remainder Slovenia Iron Age-related ancestry (Figure 2; Supplementary section 12.1). A local origin is supported by a high frequency of Y-chromosome lineage E-V13, which has been hypothesized to have experienced a Bronze-to-Iron Age expansion in the Balkans and is found in its highest frequencies in the present-day Balkans 17. We interpret this cluster as the descendants of local Balkan Iron Age populations living at Viminacium, where they represented an abundant ancestry group during the Early Imperial and later periods (∼47% of sampled individuals from the 1-550 CE). Excavations of Iron Age Balkans prior to the Roman rule showed the dead where predominantly cremated 18, but this changed in Viminacium where inhumation became common suggesting a high degree of Romanization of the local society. Viminacium necropoli followed a bi-ritual mortuary rite where some dead were buried, and some were cremated. During the 1st century until the first half of the 3rd century cremations where more common, however this changed from the 3rd onwards when inhumations prevailed 19. We caution that if there was a systematic ancestry difference between the population that buried and the one that burnt its dead, we would of course be obtaining a biased representation of ancestry through ancient DNA analysis.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.458211v1.full

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushman View Post

    You have earned yourself some real hate. :) I hope I find someone that knows your real identity.
    And what will you do if you find my identity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    And what will you do if you find my identity?
    He will diss you on a tiktok selfie-video. Remember, he has the same subclade as Unikkatil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    He will diss you on a tiktok selfie-video. Remember, he has the same subclade as Unikkatil.
    Hahhahah yeah, i'm waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Tbh I think it's too late for them, but I don't think they will get any backlash from south albanians but rather probably kosova albanians.

    Some of the stuff this guy and fustan wrote about kosova albanians, even saying filthy things about war victims, I'm pretty sure they will face consequences. There are Kosova Albanians that will not tolerate offending them on certain subjects, especially if they have victims in their family from the war, and also tbh they are vengeful and not about forgive and forget. Kosova youth has thousands working in IT, this site is super easy to track IPs through, and there are some lines that cannot be crossed. Their obsession with hating on kosova albanians is recorded here on countless posts and will cost them imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    This is a propaganda stemming from foleja/Albanian DNA/Rrenjet affiliaties, and of course people like Dushman/Excine don't see any problem with it, on contrary, that's why they get so pissed and triggered whenever they hear Central Balkans/Eastern Balkans Dacian/Thracian related sites leaked or revealed as E-V13. Because they need to fit this scenario.

    But, the reality as stated in this paper is:
    Not sure what foleja is. But from what I have seen Albanian DNA and Rrenjet are stand up projects. There is a reason why Albanians are among the best tested populations, and its in no small part due to them. Also Excine is a solid dude, not sure why people always bring him up when he does not even participate in said discussion, from what I have seen he does not get embroiled in shameful behavior.

    As for the main point you are replying to, I would say diversity points to a LBA-IA expansion, so you could have said that and would have been right. But from the graphs Riverman has shared it does indeed seem that during IA-Roman period V13 in relative terms was a winner in terms of diversity. But also the leaked SANU screenshot kind of pointed to that.
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    @Derite
    Be honest for once, do you speak Turkish? Why are you so good with the Turkish language? Obviously I tried using Google translate for Turkish words and etymologies but to no avail because of the modern Turkish and Ottoman Turkish changes. Just be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Not sure what foleja is. But from what I have seen Albanian DNA and Rrenjet are stand up projects. There is a reason why Albanians are among the best tested populations, and its in no small part due to them. Also Excine is a solid dude, not sure why people always bring him up when he does not even participate in said discussion, from what I have seen he does not get embroiled in shameful behavior.

    As for the main point you are replying to, I would say diversity points to a LBA-IA expansion, so you could have said that and would have been right. But from the graphs Riverman has shared it does indeed seem that during IA-Roman period V13 in relative terms was a winner in terms of diversity. But also the leaked SANU screenshot kind of pointed to that.
    I didn't imply shameful behaviour, just wondering why these nitpicking hypothesis.

    The authors of Danubian limes paper make it quite clear that once cremation was being abandoned 0-500 some lineages start to appear more frequently. So, we might have skewed aDNA image from Bronze/Iron Age, since inhumating groups appear more frequently on percentages, assuming cremating and inhumating groups had different ancestries, and the whole material package hints to that indeed.

    Otherwise, i don't see how can E-V13 in specific boom out because of Roman Empire, why them specifically, and not some other lineage, or together with some other lineage, especially if we assume the theory of heavily mixed Y-DNA's among Balkanites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I didn't imply shameful behaviour, just wondering why these nitpicking hypothesis.

    The authors of Danubian limes paper make it quite clear that once cremation was being abandoned 0-500 some lineages start to appear more frequently. So, we might have skewed aDNA image from Bronze/Iron Age, since inhumating groups appear more frequently on percentages, assuming cremating and inhumating groups had different ancestries, and the whole material package hints to that indeed.

    Otherwise, i don't see how can E-V13 in specific boom out because of Roman Empire, why them specifically, and not some other lineage, or together with some other lineage, especially if we assume the theory of heavily mixed Y-DNA's among Balkanites.
    So we kind of agree on all points. As I said looking at Yfull it is evident that the diversity boom happened around LBA-IA. Hence I tend to follow the cremation line of thinking. I would question it if we had any other homeland for E-V13, say steppe, Central Europe or Anatolia but so far the indication is that it is local to the Balkan-Carpathian region, hence if it was there and we have no samples one has to concede that cremation is the best hypothesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    So we kind of agree on all points. As I said looking at Yfull it is evident that the diversity boom happened around LBA-IA. Hence I tend to follow the cremation line of thinking. I would question it if we had any other homeland for E-V13, say steppe, Central Europe or Anatolia but so far the indication is that it is local to the Balkan-Carpathian region, hence if it was there and we have no samples one has to concede that cremation is the best hypothesis.
    MBA-LBA-EIA i bet on Balkan-Carpathian horizont. From Vatin-Belegis to Gava/Ottomany/Wietenberg. South/West to North/East cline.

    Beyond MBA i cannot say anything, i would even say in Early Bronze Age E-V13 could have been even more inland Balkans, say Bubanj-Hum. But, at this stage i don't bet on anything. But, i can exclude Steppe and Anatolia for sure otherwise we could have seen old subclades from there, but not the case.

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