Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

I initially tagged Croatia_Zadar_Poliklinika:R3746 as Moesian transplant in Croatia, but looking at his profile carefully, this might our first Dardanian. He/she is the only one of his kind that has this profile. Does anyone know his Y-haplogroup?
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I initially tagged Croatia_Zadar_Poliklinika:R3746 as Moesian transplant in Croatia, but looking at his profile carefully, this might our first Dardanian. He/she is the only one of his kind that has this profile. Does anyone know his Y-haplogroup?
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Yo, man dude bro. Look I figure it out mannnn. Albanians are Italians and Greeks.

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Oh my godzzz. How could I not figur it out before? You are big genius BRO.
 
Big announcement, I decided to check my south east MKD profiles for any unusual individual.

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It turns out, one individual is Illyrian profile(I8112), I went to check my average, and noticed my average by error was including only I10383 and I10391. So I make an average of the entire set and this is the result. I10383 btw has what appears to be a west Dardanian profile.
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I am not surprised that Illyrian mixture ruins the fit, we figured this out earlier today. So I take I8112 out of the average and now look at the fit with the new MKD SouthEast average. Almost as good as the Thracian.

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So what the hell, south east MKD is in a way east Paeonian, lets average out the five Thracians with the 3 east MKD as one population.


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This is an incredible fit, using only IA and BA samples. From a genetic point of view it is becoming inevitable for proto-Albanian population in the upper Struma valley. Ironically, this is the same area I was spotting medevial Albanian names for settlements, Mazarechevo, Spatovo, etc...

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Alb:Average,0.120045466666667,0.1427158,0.0153002857142857,-0.0162792,0.0248457333333333,-0.0076416,0.003384,0.0014462,0.000790933333333333,0.0167900666666667,0.00104392857142857,0.00247773333333333,-0.0068186,0.00725733333333333,-0.019399,-0.0055864,0.0062324,0.0016808,0.0086648,-0.0067198,-0.0069126,0.0009314,0.00234986666666667,0.00308473333333333,-0.00245086666666667




Thracian_&East_Paenian,0.123071125,0.157661,0.013481875,-0.040698,0.03227525,-0.020742375,0.000323125,-0.0044135,0.00958725,0.041026,0.001035125,0.009273,-0.01614825,-0.00012025,-0.02000175,-0.00783925,0.009077875,0.003895625,0.00960025,-0.00881675,-0.0094365,0.00109725,-0.001725375,0.00325325,-0.006451625
Baltic_EST_BA,0.1321485,0.1213556,0.0992205,0.111662,0.051671,0.040746,0.0158398,0.0204684,-0.0029042,-0.050607,0.0009094,-0.0182389,0.0359462,0.0400344,-0.0180239,0.0018297,0.0103654,-0.000684,-0.0013952,0.0046272,-0.0024957,-0.0062692,0.0106487,-0.017388,0.002359
Sargat_IA:Average,0.093477,-0.068548125,0.0658075,0.0608855,-0.049201625,-6.98750000000006E-05,0.003055125,0.004442,-0.01516025,-0.02890725,0.014899125,-0.00252875,0.008566625,-0.033236,0.002680375,0.001027625,-0.009664875,0.00121925,-0.001853875,-0.003329625,-0.009343,0.006244375,0.001802375,0.003057625,0.001167625
MNG_Early_Xiongnu:Average,0.0668927692307692,-0.207246076923077,0.0557848461538462,0.0257157692307692,-0.0602005384615385,-0.009375,0.00723107692307692,0.00658553846153846,-0.0122085384615385,-0.0164993846153846,-0.0166386153846154,-0.00288215384615385,-0.000903461538461539,-0.0122060769230769,0.0140104615384615,0.000917846153846154,-0.00948784615384615,0.00161784615384615,0.00147938461538462,0.00503115384615384,-0.0186401538461538,-0.00195938461538462,-0.00628553846153846,0.00203923076923077,0.00205415384615385
AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LC:ALX002,0.097888,0.137096,-0.06939,-0.072675,-0.023697,-0.013666,0.005875,-0.003692,-0.024338,-0.00164,0.011205,-0.013338,0.012636,0.00578,-0.020765,0.030893,0.024903,0.004181,-0.000251,-0.007754,0.004617,0.015086,-0.003944,-0.015544,-0.005508
ARM_Noratus_Anc:Average,0.0944735,0.137604,-0.05638,-0.0637925,-0.0253895,-0.019941,0.0038775,-0.005192,-0.0223955,-0.0041,0.00609,0.00517,-0.006764,-0.0052985,-0.0010855,0.00305,0.009453,-0.001964,0.005594,-0.0068785,0.003993,-0.00136,0.0019105,-0.0025905,0.003353
 
The two E-V13 being a mixture between Balkan and Central Europe makes absolute sense (hard to pinpoint what were they, but the WHG admixture makes the location to be somewhere in Dalmatia/Pannonia, between Western Balkans and Alps), but that E-V13 with Caucasus profile is completely off the chart. But i heard he is quite low coverage. Perhaps an error.
 
What damage control? Derite is so obsessed to find E-V13 among ancient Greeks so he can claim origins from them that he doesn't even read the papers now:

What🤣? Where did I even mention ancient greeks🤣?

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
 
In the Y-DNA subforum there is a thread abaout Albanian origin and DNA. Can we post the genetic related data there and keep this thread mostly focused on linguistic/historical material.
 
In the Y-DNA subforum there is a thread abaout Albanian origin and DNA. Can we post the genetic related data there and keep this thread mostly focused on linguistic/historical material.

Yeah, we know that, but we don't care. Archaeogenetics and linguistics are being mixed together to give a more accurate picture and more interesting, nothing wrong using it in this thread as well as long as it serves it purpose. Otherwise, none of us here are linguists or geneticists or historians to give a very accurate picture (we're chatting), and if we keep it strictly with etymological explanations, hydronyms, toponyms, it becomes too vague.
 
You need to read that paper and stop pretending to be an expert in stuff you clearly haven't read. "Balkan Iron Age" people were sampled as "67% Bronze Age Aegean". Those "Bronze Age Aegeans" plotted right next to "East Med" Roman Empire people.

And what was your point about the clades? I specifically said E-V13 people should live in the region around Constantinople and got assimilated. That includes Thracians, Greeks, Phrygians, Trojans, or whoever lived in the border between Anatolia/Europe. E-V13 has always been labelled "West Asian". That's not my opinion.

Right, the remainder ‘Slovenian Iron Age’ ancestry, and you take that literally.


My point was that those two Turkish samples got there from the Balkans. They weren’t native there in West Asia. Only morons have labelled it as West Asian.
 
Big announcement, I decided to check my south east MKD profiles for any unusual individual.

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It turns out, one individual is Illyrian profile(I8112), I went to check my average, and noticed my average by error was including only I10383 and I10391. So I make an average of the entire set and this is the result. I10383 btw has what appears to be a west Dardanian profile.
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I am not surprised that Illyrian mixture ruins the fit, we figured this out earlier today. So I take I8112 out of the average and now look at the fit with the new MKD SouthEast average. Almost as good as the Thracian.

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So what the hell, south east MKD is in a way east Paeonian, lets average out the five Thracians with the 3 east MKD as one population.


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This is an incredible fit, using only IA and BA samples. From a genetic point of view it is becoming inevitable for proto-Albanian population in the upper Struma valley. Ironically, this is the same area I was spotting medevial Albanian names for settlements, Mazarechevo, Spatovo, etc...

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I guess it would be important to explore the different tribes in this region then.

The Dardani probably were not quite this east, but should be mention as being a possible minority element in their easternmost region. In this line of reasoning, maybe also the Macedones should be mentioned as possibly also have a minority element in this region as their northernmost?

The main tribes around this territory:

The Agrianes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrianes

The Derroni:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrones

The Maedi:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maedi

The Dentheletae:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dentheletae

Please add any I may have missed.
 
I guess it would be important to explore the different tribes in this region then.
The Dardani probably were not quite this east, but should be mention as being a possible minority element in their easternmost region. In this line of reasoning, maybe also the Macedones should be mentioned as possibly also have a minority element in this region as their northernmost?
The main tribes around this territory:
The Agrianes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrianes
The Derroni:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrones
The Maedi:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maedi
The Dentheletae:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dentheletae
Please add any I may have missed.


I agree, a big one would be though the Laeaeans[19] (also Laeaei and Laiai) . I wrote that their name reminds me of Lala, google translate pronounces the Greek written form as laejei(using Alb pronunciation). When I wrote here that it reminds me of Albanian Lala(which was a tribe in Myzeqe, also Muslim Albanian tribe in Peloponnese). I was viciously attacked here for proposing a possible connection. Wikipedia says they were likely not incorporated into Macedonia. They are also the northernmost of this Paeonian group.

It is unclear whether or not the Laeaeans were conquered by Philip II or Alexander the Great, although their neighbors are recorded by historians such as Arrian as client kings.

I was not expecting the genetic data to point Paeonian-Thracian, I was expecting east Dardanian/Moesian. But the data favors Paeonian-Thracian, which explains R1b Z2103 & E-V13 . If anyone has a better genetic model, they should bring it forward.

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So I rechecked my data. I had omitted the Vardar Gradsko sample, because it did not plot with the Shkupi samples. So I revisited it's profile.

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It turns out it has the same profile as the SE MKD group. Based on this data, I am revising the Shkupi samples as Dardanian, not Paeonian. I was being conservative and calling it Paeonian, but I am fairly confident this cluster represents Dardanian substrate. There are two individuals, one in SE MKD group(MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10383) that shares Illyrian and Dardanian(Skopje cluster), to me this is a west Dardanian. The other is Croatia_Zadar_Poliklinika:R3746, which scores Thracian and Dardanian, representing eastern Dardani. Since the Shkupi cluster seems to be Dardanian, than the MKD South cluster represents proper Paeonian because the Gradsko sample from central Macedonia clusters with them. We don't have a eastern Paeonian profile, but in a way I backed into it by averaging Thracian and MKD SouthEast.

My initial mapping of clusters was based on geography, but now that I have cross checked individuals from geographical grouping of interest. So for modeling purposes, this is my final grouping based on how they cluster.

Triballi-Moesian:
Nassius:R6764-K13-sim
Serbia_Svilos_Krusevlje:R6701___AD_284___Coverage_62.20%
Serbia_Sirmium:R6730___AD_348___Coverage_65.22%

Dardanian cluster:
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10383_West_Dardanian
Croatia_Zadar_Poliklinika:R3746___East_Dardanian
MKD_Skopje_Anc:I10379
MKD_Skopje_Anc:I10381

Paeonian cluster:
MKD_Vardar_Gradsko_Anc:I7233
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10390
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10391
My final Paeonian-Thracian population is thus an average of the following:
BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20180
BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20181
BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20183
BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20185
BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186
MKD_Vardar_Gradsko_Anc:I7233
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10390
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:I10391



The rest are straight forward, Thracian is Kapitan samples, Cinamak is Cinamak, though it is possible one of the Cinamak clusters with with my proposed Dardanian cluster, I didn't crosscheck. HRV Illyrians are HRV, Ohrid group is Ohrid samples.
When I reassign the Paeonians correctly the fit gets better again. When I average it with Thracian it improves again. BTW, notice how now Thracian and Paeonian are neck and neck on individual basis.

So what does the data say?

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The public Albanian averages from Davidski favor a Paeonian-Thracian population, than Thracian, than Paeonian, in that order. Notice how the new cleaned up Paeonian group is neck and neck with Thracian.
The Kukes mdv average favor Dardanian, than Thracian, than Thracian-Paeonian, and Paeonian coming a close 4th. The Kukes mdv sample is small BUT it is also public data, not something from some internet stranger but from a public persona.
Brumis top perfoming model are Paeonian, Moesian, and Dardanian. Cinamak is a close 4th. I'm pretty sure he ran the samples individually and filtered out individuals that scored high Thracian, there is no other explanation. Either way, even his tempered data points east into the central Balkans.

Should also mention his data does not achieve this kind of examplerary fit.
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Testing variable
MKD_Skopje_AncDardanian,0.13032725,0.15182175,0.02177875,-0.03076575,0.028082,-0.00934275,0.0017625,-0.00126925,0.006289,0.03845175,0.00032475,0.00872975,-0.01393675,-0.006365,-0.01587925,0.002652,0.02001375,0.002597,0.00672475,-0.00062525,-0.0121035,-3.10000000000001E-05,-0.0010165,0.004609,-0.0006885
Serbia_Roman:Triballi_Moesian,0.122324,0.155124666666667,0.017588,-0.0284646666666667,0.033676,-0.0126473333333333,0.00209,0.00163333333333333,0.00555266666666667,0.0320846666666667,0.00180333333333333,0.00521366666666667,-0.0120383333333333,-0.000153666666666667,-0.0134626666666667,-0.0102453333333333,0.00212066666666667,-0.003134,0.00436633333333333,-0.00696966666666667,-0.00723933333333333,-5.53333333333334E-05,-0.000115666666666667,-0.000933333333333333,-0.000826333333333333
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:panoenian_Average,0.1237825,0.15486825,0.01885575,-0.02818175,0.0301595,-0.01255,-0.00182125,-0.0040385,0.0080275,0.033486,0.00069,0.00917925,-0.016204,-0.003647,-0.01730425,-0.00918175,0.004107,0.00272375,0.0075735,-0.010974,-0.01045025,0.00503875,-0.00089325,0.006085,-0.0035925
BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:Average,0.1217906,0.1598444,0.0085982,-0.05168,0.0336678,-0.025881,0.001927,-0.0036462,0.01129,0.0471628,0.0024358,0.0098014,-0.0169474,0.0009636,-0.0248912,-0.0074514,0.0131166,0.0041046,0.0115894,-0.0076036,-0.0087346,0.000445,-0.0031798,0.0012288,-0.0085024
HRV_IA:Average,0.122441142857143,0.150153142857143,0.0394361428571429,0.00369142857142857,0.0388202857142857,-0.00119514285714286,0.00147714285714286,0.000461428571428571,0.0141998571428571,0.0264242857142857,-0.00278385714285714,0.00745057142857143,-0.0107885714285714,-0.00587842857142857,-0.00354814285714286,0.000947142857142857,0.00286842857142857,0.00224414285714286,0.00272942857142857,0.00101828571428571,-0.00228171428571429,0.00286185714285714,-0.00422557142857143,-0.00227214285714286,-0.00200142857142857
ALB_Çinamak_Anc:Average,0.12475,0.1537512,0.0302452,-0.0142766,0.0300362,-0.0074186,0.003008,0.0005078,-0.001636,0.0248934,0.0011366,0.0071936,-0.0192368,-0.0072664,-0.0093376,-0.0049058,0.0066756,0.0026096,0.0039722,-0.0091042,-0.007986,0.0025474,-0.0043382,0.0057118,-0.0064664
MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:Average,0.1227012,0.153345,0.0232306,-0.0133722,0.0244968,-0.0063586,-0.0016922,-0.0033692,0.0006136,0.0272624,0.0058134,0.0063242,-0.0168878,-0.0066334,-0.0106676,-0.0031822,0.0011472,0.0044846,0.007944,-0.0095546,-0.0135512,0.0084826,-0.0017008,0.009688,-0.0026104


Constant variables
Baltic_EST_BA,0.1321485,0.1213556,0.0992205,0.111662,0.051671,0.040746,0.0158398,0.0204684,-0.0029042,-0.050607,0.0009094,-0.0182389,0.0359462,0.0400344,-0.0180239,0.0018297,0.0103654,-0.000684,-0.0013952,0.0046272,-0.0024957,-0.0062692,0.0106487,-0.017388,0.002359
Sargat_IA:Average,0.093477,-0.068548125,0.0658075,0.0608855,-0.049201625,-6.98750000000006E-05,0.003055125,0.004442,-0.01516025,-0.02890725,0.014899125,-0.00252875,0.008566625,-0.033236,0.002680375,0.001027625,-0.009664875,0.00121925,-0.001853875,-0.003329625,-0.009343,0.006244375,0.001802375,0.003057625,0.001167625
MNG_Early_Xiongnu:Average,0.0668927692307692,-0.207246076923077,0.0557848461538462,0.0257157692307692,-0.0602005384615385,-0.009375,0.00723107692307692,0.00658553846153846,-0.0122085384615385,-0.0164993846153846,-0.0166386153846154,-0.00288215384615385,-0.000903461538461539,-0.0122060769230769,0.0140104615384615,0.000917846153846154,-0.00948784615384615,0.00161784615384615,0.00147938461538462,0.00503115384615384,-0.0186401538461538,-0.00195938461538462,-0.00628553846153846,0.00203923076923077,0.00205415384615385
AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LC:ALX002,0.097888,0.137096,-0.06939,-0.072675,-0.023697,-0.013666,0.005875,-0.003692,-0.024338,-0.00164,0.011205,-0.013338,0.012636,0.00578,-0.020765,0.030893,0.024903,0.004181,-0.000251,-0.007754,0.004617,0.015086,-0.003944,-0.015544,-0.005508
ARM_Noratus_Anc:Average,0.0944735,0.137604,-0.05638,-0.0637925,-0.0253895,-0.019941,0.0038775,-0.005192,-0.0223955,-0.0041,0.00609,0.00517,-0.006764,-0.0052985,-0.0010855,0.00305,0.009453,-0.001964,0.005594,-0.0068785,0.003993,-0.00136,0.0019105,-0.0025905,0.003353
Kura-Araxes_ARM,0.104528,0.129988,-0.065996,-0.040967,-0.050471,-0.005113,0.009165,-0.0065,-0.062005,-0.018619,0.003302,0.009691,-0.016278,0.001308,0.00509,-0.004132,0.009236,-0.001773,-0.001215,0.00148,0.004908,-0.002638,0.002301,-0.005563,-0.001936
ISR_Natufian_EpiP,0.034147,0.152329,-0.022627,-0.140506,0.042162,-0.085062,-0.016921,-0.015692,0.12476,0.019317,0.028743,-0.025327,0.085926,-0.004129,0.004886,-0.014054,-0.011213,-0.007855,-0.02074,0.023136,0.01123,0.001607,0.00912,0.003735,-0.003233


So the issue of knowing how much Illyrian component is there? If I introduce any Cinamak, HRV or Roman Illyrians to the best working model, it will simply ignore them, because ancient Balkan IA populations are largely related. The script recognizes the parent population and works from there.
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My way around it, and I think it works, was to remove ME proxies one by one until something popped that looked reasonable. Once I removed Arm Noratus, Kura-Araxes and ISR-Natufian, this happened.

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I am guessing Illyrian related component is about 22%. Croatian Relja is MENA majority, the other Croat group is mixed Illyrians with various mixtures.

Thracian_&_Paeonian,0.121932875,0.1586765,0.011643375,-0.044049125,0.03235225,-0.021265375,-0.000146875,-0.003778875,0.01076325,0.042256125,0.00253725,0.009067,-0.016092625,0.000911875,-0.0225975,-0.010225875,0.00722,0.00296125,0.0101345,-0.010333,-0.00963925,0.0029675,-0.002218375,0.00266575,-0.006451625
Croatia_Roman:Illyrian_Romanized_minor_MENA_mix,0.118019017242125,0.1468244942745,0.005559526783875,-0.024187147902625,0.019762980402375,-0.00893220061575,-0.0015568639035,-0.00256081611924998,0.000903711466499999,0.01899784753225,0.00167484855323,0.006961539881375,-0.010781464432,0.000161668933,-0.00716826237262501,-0.002405491738625,0.00112687052550001,0.00110120114212499,0.00264906633824999,-0.0031796960776375,-0.00215415374524997,0.00207001199849999,-0.000270990752875001,0.00162199053275,-0.00170683413875
Croatia_Zadar_Relja:R3742___AD_177___MENA_heavy,0.108132,0.137096,-0.03017,-0.040375,-0.008925,-0.015618,-0.002585,-0.008307,-0.019634,0.003098,0.001461,0.007643,0.00223,0.002615,-0.009093,-0.009016,-0.002217,-0.000253,0.00088,-0.001,0.001872,-0.000742,-0.002095,0.003012,-0.000958
Baltic_EST_BA,0.1321485,0.1213556,0.0992205,0.111662,0.051671,0.040746,0.0158398,0.0204684,-0.0029042,-0.050607,0.0009094,-0.0182389,0.0359462,0.0400344,-0.0180239,0.0018297,0.0103654,-0.000684,-0.0013952,0.0046272,-0.0024957,-0.0062692,0.0106487,-0.017388,0.002359
Sargat_IA:Average,0.093477,-0.068548125,0.0658075,0.0608855,-0.049201625,-6.98750000000006E-05,0.003055125,0.004442,-0.01516025,-0.02890725,0.014899125,-0.00252875,0.008566625,-0.033236,0.002680375,0.001027625,-0.009664875,0.00121925,-0.001853875,-0.003329625,-0.009343,0.006244375,0.001802375,0.003057625,0.001167625
MNG_Early_Xiongnu:Average,0.0668927692307692,-0.207246076923077,0.0557848461538462,0.0257157692307692,-0.0602005384615385,-0.009375,0.00723107692307692,0.00658553846153846,-0.0122085384615385,-0.0164993846153846,-0.0166386153846154,-0.00288215384615385,-0.000903461538461539,-0.0122060769230769,0.0140104615384615,0.000917846153846154,-0.00948784615384615,0.00161784615384615,0.00147938461538462,0.00503115384615384,-0.0186401538461538,-0.00195938461538462,-0.00628553846153846,0.00203923076923077,0.00205415384615385
AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LC:ALX002,0.097888,0.137096,-0.06939,-0.072675,-0.023697,-0.013666,0.005875,-0.003692,-0.024338,-0.00164,0.011205,-0.013338,0.012636,0.00578,-0.020765,0.030893,0.024903,0.004181,-0.000251,-0.007754,0.004617,0.015086,-0.003944,-0.015544,-0.005508

The Roman Illyrians are made of the following average:
HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15743
Croatia_Zadar_Poliklinika:R3747___AD_177___Coverage_65.64%
Croatia_Velic:R3685___AD_500___Coverage_56.14%
Montenegro_Doclea_Bjelovine:R3481___AD_266___Coverage_56.57%
Croatia_Beli_Manastir:R3542___AD_330___Coverage_57.06%
Croatia_Sipar:R3662___AD_599___Coverage_48.79%
Croatia_Sipar:R3663___AD_781___Coverage_41.88%
Croatia_Zadar_Relja:R3742___AD_177___Coverage_46.74%


While the MENA Illyrian is the following chap: Croatia_Zadar_Relja:R3742


That's it. There is not much more I can do other than wait till there is more relatable data to further test the model.
 
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The arguments in this forum have me scratching my head. It appears that everyone here is just as prejudiced as the next person because of their own individual reasons. We need a professional user to resolve this, so why don't we get one? Reading only the previous 30 pages gave me the impression that Archtype0ne is a very knowledgeable guy about fstats qpADM. This is state-of-the-art software utilized by the vast majority of cutting-edge genetics papers, and hence much superior to any other consumer genetic modeling now in use.
 
Another new account, thanks for the humor. Here is what Archtype has to say:

Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.4868% / 0.01486775
57.8 Albania_IA/Early_Medieval
26.6 Dalmatia_early_medieval
14.8 TUR_Marmara_Ilıpınar_Byz3
0.8 KAZ_Hun-Sarmatian

and also, take your meds after eating your salad (with Greek or Bulgarian feta, maybe both)


This is what I have to say. Have a nice slice of this humble pie.

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Another new account, thanks for the humor. Here is what Archtype has to say:




This is what I have to say. Have this nice slice of humble pie.


Nice try, but you are obviously rather ignorant because I specifically mentioned a professional software application and not G25, where anybody may enter whatever they like. I'll say it again: I need qpADM Fstat models, which are the gold standard in genetic modeling, you are a forum user, you don't know shit about being a geneticist.
 
Another new account, thanks for the humor. Here is what Archtype has to say:


You're a smartass, but you haven't posted much since 2016 even though you made your account then. Why have you suddenly been so prolific in posting during the last three months? Is this an old sock account belonging to someone who has been flagged to be banned? What are you afraid of?
 
I can read data pretty good. Archtype uses G25, go to anthro and look into his past. I made a superior model in under a week, I never knew or used this stuff before. I'd say I'm a competent person and sniff bs pretty damn good, including your personality patterns.

Nice try, but you are obviously rather ignorant because I specifically mentioned a professional software application and not G25, where anybody may enter whatever they like. I'll say it again: I need qpADM Fstat models, which are the gold standard in genetic modeling, you are a forum user, you don't know shit about being a geneticist.

Ok entertain.
 
I can read data pretty good. Archtype uses G25, go to anthro and look into his past. I made a superior model in under a week, I never knew or used this stuff before. I'd say I'm a competent person and sniff bs pretty damn good, including your personality patterns.

Ok entertain.


I am curious about your credentials. PaleoBrain? Do other people seek your opinion on their genetic modeling projects, or do they ask you to evaluate their work? Who bestowed upon you the title of "Super Model" and awarded you their golden badge? You idiot animal creature, there is no such thing. Your name, Paleo-era logic, small nut-brain logic, is really appropriate.

Okay, first of all, who the hell is entertrain? Your complete lack of reading knowledge is ridiculously funny. We have a schizophrenic maniac on the run!
 
I agree, a big one would be though the Laeaeans[19] (also Laeaei and Laiai) . I wrote that their name reminds me of Lala, google translate pronounces the Greek written form as laejei(using Alb pronunciation). When I wrote here that it reminds me of Albanian Lala(which was a tribe in Myzeqe, also Muslim Albanian tribe in Peloponnese). I was viciously attacked here for proposing a possible connection. Wikipedia says they were likely not incorporated into Macedonia. They are also the northernmost of this Paeonian group.



I was not expecting the genetic data to point Paeonian-Thracian, I was expecting east Dardanian/Moesian. That's what the data points to. If anyone has a better genetic model, they should bring it forward.

You have an unsettling certainty in every incorrect proposition you make. To whom do we attribute the idea that Albanians have a Paeonian-Thracian ancestry? Which genetics journal published this finding? Do you and your friends merely think you've made a big discovery, or do you have some solid evidence to back up your theory? You should be direct messaging Davidski right this second if the latter.
 
You have an unsettling certainty in every incorrect proposition you make. To whom do we attribute the idea that Albanians have a Paeonian-Thracian ancestry? Which genetics journal published this finding? Do you and your friends merely think you've made a big discovery, or do you have some solid evidence to back up your theory? You should be direct messaging Davidski right this second if the latter.

:unsure: If you guys are so certain that we are wrong about exploring this central balkans tangent about the proto-Albanians, which is supported by countless linguists, then just sit back and laugh at us for being so wrong.

You guys have your "On the autochthony of Albanian" thread on anthrogenica with 6 replies that you can jerk each other off in.

If you are so certain in your pure "Illyrian autochonity of Albanian cinamak assimilators of EV13 minor lineages that were super minor and irrelevant until roman empire when they spread east med" hypotheses then just sit back and revel in the security of being right.

Stop barging in with irrelevant chimpouts trying to derail, censor, and ban any proper further speculation/investigation into the proto-Albanians.

You guys don't actually push anything forward, you can only negate and drag things down. Its like you have no creative capabilities of your own, but can only tear down things that other people make or start to make.
 

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