Since he was asking in regards to "bosh" we say thatë/thât which I am assuming you guys in Presheve say too.
Bulatovic argues that there are suggestions in material culture of Bessi moving west in the 100s AD.
Interestingly, this culture overlaps with the toponyms Nish & Shtip, an area where a proto-Albanian speaking people is argued to have been living for a while prior to the Slavs.
That is incorrect. I remember there being at least 8 EV13's, but am not exactly sure, but don't have the spreadsheet on me. I will post it tomorrow.
I do have the link though to the paper stating they represent 47% of sampled individuals from 1-550CE
, quite the adventurer the fella.
Have not read the paper in a long time, much less the auAnalysis, which for the paper was trash tier.
But the more robust part of the analysis, IIRC, equivalated L283 and V13 with the paleo-Balkanic local complex. And also identified around the 9th century in Kuline Slavic autosomal introgresion with I2a1-Dinaric, and earlier than that during Impeprial Rome, Eastern Ancestry (Whether of Anatolian or ME autosomal was not obvious since the sample they used as proxy was a yet unpublished Marathon sample). There was even a West Afrian in there somewher
As a side note wanted to chime in on the eastern ancestry that was being debated upthread.
For the most part Ottomans did not resettle Albanian speaking regions, and as such not only do Albanian have very limited Ottoman ancestry if any, but also people that have Ottoman traditions and legends about their origin often times get disproven by genetics in the region.
The fact remains though that an Eastern admixture event happened much earlier during Imperial times, which signature can be noticed using modern amateur calculators.
As an example I plot quite Northern, which is surprising given my maternal line is fully south Albanian going 4-5 generations. The weird part is that on some calculators I can have as much as 15-20% PPNB* ancestry! While also having up to 20% Baltic! That is quite a paradox. I have given my opinion over my admixture in various threads here and over at anthrogenica. One way to look at it is that is a simplification/artifact of the calculator and an overfitting model. Another way to look at it is that if these are not just placeholders facilitating an overfit, then logically a 20% Northern Pull and a 20% Southern Pull would leave me in place
*So the real issue is about having exact definitions without which any argument is in vain. What we consider Eastern or even Middle Eastern Admixture? Anatolian Neolithic or Pre Pottery Neolithic? If so that admixture has very little to do with modern populations in the East/Middle east.
As a side note wanted to chime in on the eastern ancestry that was being debated upthread.
For the most part Ottomans did not resettle Albanian speaking regions, and as such not only do Albanian have very limited Ottoman ancestry if any, but also people that have Ottoman traditions and legends about their origin often times get disproven by genetics in the region.
The fact remains though that an Eastern admixture event happened much earlier during Imperial times, which signature can be noticed using modern amateur calculators.
As an example I plot quite Northern, which is surprising given my maternal line is fully south Albanian going 4-5 generations. The weird part is that on some calculators I can have as much as 15-20% PPNB* ancestry! While also having up to 20% Baltic! That is quite a paradox. I have given my opinion over my admixture in various threads here and over at anthrogenica. One way to look at it is that is a simplification/artifact of the calculator and an overfitting model. Another way to look at it is that if these are not just placeholders facilitating an overfit, then logically a 20% Northern Pull and a 20% Southern Pull would leave me in place
*So the real issue is about having exact definitions without which any argument is in vain. What we consider Eastern or even Middle Eastern Admixture? Anatolian Neolithic or Pre Pottery Neolithic? If so that admixture has very little to do with modern populations in the East/Middle east.
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