Dibran
Regular Member
- Messages
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- Points
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- Ethnic group
- Albanian/Gheg/Dibran/Okshtun
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R-L1029>Y133379
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H11a2b*
Clearly, E-V13, J-L283 and R-Z2103 lived at least close to each others latest since 900 BC.
That predates the modern Albanians, even the Proto-Albanians by a bit.
J-L283 is higher in the North because the Proto-Illyrians came from the North West, possibly at a time E-V13 with Channelled Ware and Yamnaya-KMK related R-Z2103 was already in place. They met between Montenegro, North Albania, Kosovo, Southern Serbia and Macedonia between 1.100-900 BC.
It depends on what your definition of Proto-Albanian is. Because, Albanians already carried J2b-L283 l, E-V13 and R1b with diversity stretching mostly to the Iron Age and late Bronze Age. E-V13 diversity is mostly between 400-700BCE going by yfull. A couple branches with Albanians going back to the LBA.
Most of these lineages including E-V13 and some minor ones as well, were already a part of pre/early proto-Albanians which is roughly from 1000BCE forward.
The connection to Messapian, the finding of J2b-L283 in Illyrians and Daunians, and the heavy chunk of Latin influence in our language is a testament to a West Balkan origin of Proto-Albanian that solidified into the late proto/old Albanians of the early medieval within the Komani-Kruja cultural complex.
There were surely other loosely related late Proto-Albanians groups that fell outside this development and merged later. Which can account for all the confusion.
It sure as hell wasn't Daco-Thracian or in the Carpathians.