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If you guys are so certain that we are wrong about exploring this central balkans tangent about the proto-Albanians, which is supported by countless linguists, then just sit back and laugh at us for being so wrong.
You guys have your "On the autochthony of Albanian" thread on anthrogenica with 6 replies that you can jerk each other off in.
If you are so certain in your pure "Illyrian autochonity of Albanian cinamak assimilators of EV13 minor lineages that were super minor and irrelevant until roman empire when they spread east med" hypotheses then just sit back and revel in the security of being right.
Stop barging in with irrelevant chimpouts trying to derail, censor, and ban any proper further speculation/investigation into the proto-Albanians.
You guys don't actually push anything forward, you can only negate and drag things down. Its like you have no creative capabilities of your own, but can only tear down things that other people make or start to make.
Right, the remainder ‘Slovenian Iron Age’ ancestry, and you take that literally.
My point was that those two Turkish samples got there from the Balkans. They weren’t native there in West Asia. Only morons have labelled it as West Asian.
The arguments in this forum have me scratching my head. It appears that everyone here is just as prejudiced as the next person because of their own individual reasons. We need a professional user to resolve this, so why don't we get one? Reading only the previous 30 pages gave me the impression that Archtype0ne is a very knowledgeable guy about fstats qpADM. This is state-of-the-art software utilized by the vast majority of cutting-edge genetics papers, and hence much superior to any other consumer genetic modeling now in use.
From E-V13 project in FTDNA
"A subset, E-V13 (E1b1b1a1b*) individuals migrated from the Middle East and Western Asia into the Balkans around 4500 years ago (Balkan Bronze Age)."
Jeez man, you are shameless and don't even bother to hide your characteristics tain. I guess fstats qpADM is such a hard tool that it requires a genius to figure out, we are not geniuses unfortunately.
You just have to follow README instructions in github repository and you should be fine: https://github.com/DReichLab/AdmixTools, it's not a rocket science. Quite easy in fact.
Are the results any different? Part of the reason I am posting my results is to gather feedback.
Didn't check them Paleo. But i am pretty sure it's not a rocket-science to figure out, just like the Y-DNA predictions they do. They fetch the github repository, compile the project code, download the BAM file and from terminal while putting the Python CLI commands (programming language usually used for data analysis/data science) they just specify the source of BAM file locally and they get an Y-DNA prediction.
Same should apply for this as well, i saw qpADM there inside the AdmixtureTools from David Reich, if it's this tool. If not, it should be quite similar with this one.
Usually, when they put these kind of tools in Github, in README they put detailed step-by-step instructions how to run it. If i have to guess, these should be more or less similar to G25. Nothing wow about it i assume.
I guess it would be important to explore the different tribes in this region then.
The Dardani probably were not quite this east, but should be mention as being a possible minority element in their easternmost region. In this line of reasoning, maybe also the Macedones should be mentioned as possibly also have a minority element in this region as their northernmost?
The main tribes around this territory:
The Agrianes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrianes
The Derroni:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrones
The Maedi:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maedi
The Dentheletae:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dentheletae
Please add any I may have missed.
From E-V13 project in FTDNA
"A subset, E-V13 (E1b1b1a1b*) individuals migrated from the Middle East and Western Asia into the Balkans around 4500 years ago (Balkan Bronze Age)."
From E-V13 project in FTDNA
"A subset, E-V13 (E1b1b1a1b*) individuals migrated from the Middle East and Western Asia into the Balkans around 4500 years ago (Balkan Bronze Age)."
Didn't check them Paleo. But i am pretty sure it's not a rocket-science to figure out, just like the Y-DNA predictions they do. They fetch the github repository, compile the project code, download the BAM file and from terminal while putting the Python CLI commands (programming language usually used for data analysis/data science) they just specify the source of BAM file locally and they get an Y-DNA prediction.
Do you know what repository they use for Y-DNA predictions? First time I am hearing of this. I thought most people use IGV for such purposes, and the work is all manual.
One refinement to my groupings. Rechecked my work. The Gradsko sample is actually a Thracian. And likely represents Bisaltai(the Thracians dominated the lowland of Vardar.
Gradsko I7233 belongs with the Thracian average, and when you make it part of the Thracian average, the Thracian stand alone fit improves again. However the best fit remains Paeonian and Thracian combination.
So when I crosscheck my samples again with my refined Paeonian average. It turns out Krusevlje R6701 and Sirmium R6730 are Paeonian based. Krusevlje is Paeonian and Dardanian plus foreign elements. Sirmium is actually a Paeonian-Thracian mix, though he too carries other mixture. I am removing them from the Moesian group, since Nassius is distinct from them. On my models Nassius stands alone as a possible Triballi candidate.
I combined the Thracian individuals(which includes Gradsko) with the Nassius sample as one average(not a 50/50 split but simply adding Nassius to the Thracians).
It's close, but Thracian and Paeonian still outperforms it. Also I did the Thracian and Paeonian with the Krusevlje, since he is mostly Paeonian-Thracian profile(but adulterated with other mixtures), this is the result.
This is the 2nd best fit, but unmixed Paeonians work better with Thracians, this all indicates that the best model that works is Thracian and Paeonian combination. With other combinations the fit begins to loosen up.
R6701 is R-L51 and R6730 is I-Y41633. Neither linage seems like a good proxy for Paeonians, Dardanians or Thracians. Pay attention to the Y linages as well.
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