Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

BAMs are not out yet so we can’t check them.

Regarding R1b-CTS1450:
Cinamak, Albania (1700-400BCE)
Cinamak, Albania (1400-1700CE)
Lisicin Dol, Marvinci, Valandonovo North Macedonia (783-549BCE)

Sample from Lisicin Dol should be Paeonian. Also samples around Skopje should be Dardanian. I see one M269 from Bucinci-Skopje.
 
broder said:
BAMs are not out yet so we can’t check them.

Regarding R1b-CTS1450:
Cinamak, Albania (1700-400BCE)
Cinamak, Albania (1400-1700CE)
Lisicin Dol, Marvinci, Valandonovo North Macedonia (783-549BCE)

Sample from Lisicin Dol should be Paeonian. Also samples around Skopje should be Dardanian. I see one M269 from Bucinci-Skopje.
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First potential Ancient Macedonian sample, potentially E-V13.

[FONT=&quot]1) I10166; ca. 500-100 BCE; Isar Marvinci, North Macedonia; E-L618[/FONT]
 
Hawk said:
Well, E-V13 confirmed Thracian, it's all over Thrace, only 1 R1a in Kapitan Andreevo among E-V13'ers. It looks like Noua-Sabatinovaska and Gava/Wieteneberg from Carpathian Mountains formed Proto-Thracians.

No E-V13 in Iron Age Albania, 1 in Iron Age Croatia though.

One thing to consider though, in Neolithic Romania there is no E-V13, so, it must have been.

Couple of E-V13 in Early Middle Age Marmara, Turkey. I think, either in mutation notatation they wrongly assigned to J2a, they look E1b1b1a1b in ISOGG.
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Nice, I do want to say I never felt worried, as all the evidence was clearly pointing to this. For those who hate my guts they can go back to my summary post, where I expected Illyrians to stay J2b with some R1b.
So the big fat elephant in the room. Albanians today are something like 30-35% E-V13, but there is almost zero in Illyrian Albania. Time for self reflection peeps.
 
Also a CTS7556 from Ulanci Gradsco (1371-1123BCE)
 
Hawk said:
First potential Ancient Macedonian sample, potentially E-V13.

1) I10166; ca. 500-100 BCE; Isar Marvinci, North Macedonia; E-L618
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Isar Marvinci is in south-west Macedonia near Thrace, as far from Illyria as Macedonia can get.
 
Lots of J2b-L283 in Montenegro and lots of it in Cetina Croatia spanning from 2000 BCE onwards. Cool.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
Nice, I do want to say I never felt worried, as all the evidence was clearly pointing to this. For those who hate my guts they can go back to my summary post, where I expected Illyrians to stay J2b with some R1b.
So the big fat elephant in the room. Albanians today are something like 30-35% E-V13, but there is almost zero in Illyrian Albania. Time for self reflection peeps.
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They show up later on, do not worry they will come up after IA.


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Hawk said:
Not high coverage, i am pretty sure Serbia/Kosovo was packed with E-V13.

At this stage i can guess Vatin, Vatya, Hatvan, Nagyrev must be the ancestor of E-V13. No way they can just pop up in Psenicevo in dozen numbers like that.
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There is a good chance the original Dardani were R1b, and the western ones(Kosovo) had a Illyrian J2b layer, and the eastern ones had E-V13 Thracian layer, and the common substrate that united both spheres, R1b.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
There is a good chance the original Dardani were R1b, and the western ones(Kosovo) had a Illyrian J2b layer, and the eastern ones had E-V13 Thracian layer, and the common substrate that united both spheres, R1b.
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So far it looks like Ulanci were R1b-Z2103 and they were pushed from Channeled-Ware who at this stage are one of the good candidates of Proto-Dardanians.
 
We are still lacking the G25 coordinates for the samples, and PaleoRevenge has already gone off on a tangent lol. First, let's observe the result, and then you may make your snide remarks.
 
mount123 said:
Lots of J2b-L283 in Montenegro and lots of it in Cetina Croatia spanning from 2000 BCE onwards. Cool.
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Hawk, which ID are the Velim Kosa mtDNA H7 samples? Cannot find them.

Wow. There are so many Montenegrin and Croatian J2b samples labelled as just J-M102 so the total number of J2b-L283 clearly exceeds the 21 named in that info excerpt.
 
Excine said:
We are still lacking the G25 coordinates for the samples, and PaleoRevenge has already gone off on a tangent lol. First, let's observe the result, and then you may make your snide remarks.
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0 E-V13 in Bronze Age and Iron Age Albania. The main haplogroup in Albanians, practically absent in ancient Albania. Kind of a big deal.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
0 E-V13 in Bronze Age and Iron Age Albania. The main haplogroup in Albanians, practically absent in ancient Albania. Kind of a big deal.
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If Riverman's theory stands in stone then there should be E-V13 in Iron Age Albania, it just wasn't found yet.
 
Excine said:
If Riverman's theory stands in stone then there should be E-V13 in Iron Age Albania, it just wasn't found yet.
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Kanellure/Channeled-Ware was noted by Albanian archaeologists. Frano Prendi said that the Pannonian-Urnfield influence reached only Southern Albania, and they came from the sea. Probably via Adriatic. But not sure. let's see.
 
mount123 said:
Hawk, which ID are the Velim Kosa mtDNA H7 samples? Cannot find them.

Wow. There are so many Montenegrin and Croatian J2b samples labelled as just J-M102 so the total number of J2b-L283 clearly exceeds the 21 named in that info excerpt.
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They are brothers.

I188313868; Tumulus 2/G1, individual BAdultpetrousThis studyPinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Natalija ČondićContext: Archaeological - Period2201144500-1 BCEHRV_AncVelim-KosaCroatia1240K12.64MCroatia, Stankovci, Velim 2014 Family A (2 members) (I18830-I18831 have a sibling relationship [brothers])Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bamJ-PH1602J2b2a1a1a1b2~H7[0.005,0.011]ss.halfS18831.Y1.E1.L1PASS (Xcontam=[0.005,0.011])
I188303867; Tumulus 2/G1; individual AAdultpetrousThis studyPinhasi, Ron; Novak, Mario; Natalija ČondićContext: Archaeological - Period2201144500-1 BCEHRV_Anc_brother.I18831Velim-KosaCroatia1240K12.164MCroatia, Stankovci, Velim 2014 Family A (2 members) (I18830-I18831 have a sibling relationship [brothers])Lazaridis caller (12/6/2020) based on Yfull 8.09 running directly on the bamJ-PH1602J2b2a1a1a1b2~H7[0.004,0.011]ss.halfS18830.Y1.E1.L1PASS
 
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