Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

I'm loving this, the more cheesy insults, the more harm he brings to his Illyrian wet dreams.

I took Bruzmi's Alb average(he's declared a new better average) from 4 months ago posted on Anthro and I compared to my modern ALb average composed of 20 individuals.

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How is this possible? The only component I added that changed was the introduction of Thracian into this set. Without Thracian, Alb=Alb, no other component was even picked, zero, the fit is not great either, but no other component was picked, Alb=Alb 100%. Than I introduce Thracian, and it all changes. Plain fraud.

Albanian_new,0.12098974,0.1446909,0.016269078,-0.016299558,0.025773831,-0.0048755065,0.00095344156,0.00027711688,0.0031148831,0.015759169,0.00013324675,0.0026802597,-0.0071447403,0.0023749221,-0.012327208,-0.00037183117,0.0078564935,0.00061572727,0.0042468831,-0.004238987,-0.0050441039,0.00093803896,0.00063811688,0.000061818182,-0.000051051948
BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:Average,0.1217906,0.1598444,0.0085982,-0.05168,0.0336678,-0.025881,0.001927,-0.0036462,0.01129,0.0471628,0.0024358,0.0098014,-0.0169474,0.0009636,-0.0248912,-0.0074514,0.0131166,0.0041046,0.0115894,-0.0076036,-0.0087346,0.000445,-0.0031798,0.0012288,-0.0085024
Baltic_EST_BA,0.1321485,0.1213556,0.0992205,0.111662,0.051671,0.040746,0.0158398,0.0204684,-0.0029042,-0.050607,0.0009094,-0.0182389,0.0359462,0.0400344,-0.0180239,0.0018297,0.0103654,-0.000684,-0.0013952,0.0046272,-0.0024957,-0.0062692,0.0106487,-0.017388,0.002359
Sargat_IA:Average,0.093477,-0.068548125,0.0658075,0.0608855,-0.049201625,-6.98750000000006E-05,0.003055125,0.004442,-0.01516025,-0.02890725,0.014899125,-0.00252875,0.008566625,-0.033236,0.002680375,0.001027625,-0.009664875,0.00121925,-0.001853875,-0.003329625,-0.009343,0.006244375,0.001802375,0.003057625,0.001167625
MNG_Early_Xiongnu:Average,0.0668927692307692,-0.207246076923077,0.0557848461538462,0.0257157692307692,-0.0602005384615385,-0.009375,0.00723107692307692,0.00658553846153846,-0.0122085384615385,-0.0164993846153846,-0.0166386153846154,-0.00288215384615385,-0.000903461538461539,-0.0122060769230769,0.0140104615384615,0.000917846153846154,-0.00948784615384615,0.00161784615384615,0.00147938461538462,0.00503115384615384,-0.0186401538461538,-0.00195938461538462,-0.00628553846153846,0.00203923076923077,0.00205415384615385
AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LC:ALX002,0.097888,0.137096,-0.06939,-0.072675,-0.023697,-0.013666,0.005875,-0.003692,-0.024338,-0.00164,0.011205,-0.013338,0.012636,0.00578,-0.020765,0.030893,0.024903,0.004181,-0.000251,-0.007754,0.004617,0.015086,-0.003944,-0.015544,-0.005508
ARM_Noratus_Anc:Average,0.0944735,0.137604,-0.05638,-0.0637925,-0.0253895,-0.019941,0.0038775,-0.005192,-0.0223955,-0.0041,0.00609,0.00517,-0.006764,-0.0052985,-0.0010855,0.00305,0.009453,-0.001964,0.005594,-0.0068785,0.003993,-0.00136,0.0019105,-0.0025905,0.003353
Kura-Araxes_ARM,0.104528,0.129988,-0.065996,-0.040967,-0.050471,-0.005113,0.009165,-0.0065,-0.062005,-0.018619,0.003302,0.009691,-0.016278,0.001308,0.00509,-0.004132,0.009236,-0.001773,-0.001215,0.00148,0.004908,-0.002638,0.002301,-0.005563,-0.001936
ISR_Natufian_EpiP,0.034147,0.152329,-0.022627,-0.140506,0.042162,-0.085062,-0.016921,-0.015692,0.12476,0.019317,0.028743,-0.025327,0.085926,-0.004129,0.004886,-0.014054,-0.011213,-0.007855,-0.02074,0.023136,0.01123,0.001607,0.00912,0.003735,-0.003233
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What a time to be alive with all these new samples coming in, from Macedonia, Northern Italy, Sicily, etc, so many of them are close in autosomal to Albanians and Northern/Central Italians. We have J2b2, R1b, and E-V13 as far West as Italy, and as far East as Serbia/Bulgaria, as far North as Hungary. Even Ancient Macedonians overlapping with Albanians. They originally spoke a "barbarian language" and came from the North. Old name for Macedonia was Emathia. Crazy how widespread our reach was.

We wuz really kangz, even if all or most of these people weren't exactly Proto-Albanians per say, they were at least close cousins to us, with the same Y-DNAs and very similar autosomal.

That meme map of Greater Albania being all of the Balkans and Italy really hits different now hahaha.

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We were once very widespread, as mercenaries, eventually merging with other cultures. Greeks, South Slavs, Italians, Romanians are close to us. We're the OGs in the middle ;) IBD sharing says the Greeks, Macedonians, and Italians share a lot of ancestors with Albanians. Phillip II spent time in Dardania with Bardyllis for 10 years, even Alexander ran away to Illyria for some time after getting into a fight with his father, before coming back and starting one of the greatest empires the world has ever seen. We are so connected to early history. Fkn awesome. Even the Dorians come from Albania, the Illyrian helmet is like an early Greek helmet. So many links we have, everywhere. We were also part of the early Etruscans, (J2b) and also in Southern Italy since 1200BC, Illyrians and Italic tribes merging. Brindisi in the horn of Italy matching Albanian 'Bri' meaning horn. Galabri>Kalabri. So much overlap. After years of people trying to make Albanians seem like a small people that sprouted out of nowhere, it feels good to know we were everywhere ;)
 
PaleoRevenge said:
You, Exine and others are welcome to share your G25 and I will make it part of my ALB average and run the test again. Let the data do the talking. As of now, based on my sample of 20 individuals, Thracian wins, hands down.
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It's really a shame how dense you are, these models mean nothing. If you wanna play with them, have fun, like how a child plays with toys. I can make a model with Mycenaeans and Scythians to model Albanians, does that mean we are Mycenaean Scythians? "Mycenaean wins, hands down bro". Get a grip on reality. Albanians and even Ancient Macedonians are closer to the ancient West Balkans than they are to the ancient East Balkans. The three haplogroups of J2b2, R1b, and E-V13, have been in contact in the Balkans and Italy for thousands of years. A pure E-V13 Proto Albanian theory is a cr*ckpipe theory. Keep dreaming. Can you explain why there is few linguistic links to Thracian compared to Illyrian in the Albanian language? Can you explain why they stopped cremating, why E-V13 is being found next to Illyrians everywhere? I can't wait until we sample Dardania, Montenegro, Bosnia, and more samples from Albania, so that the deal will be sealed. We will see E-V13 in burials with Illyrians, with J2b2 and R1b. Proto-Albanians come from Illyrians who merged with Thracians, taking on more Illyrian culture, language, and autosomal from Illyrians. Scholars don't support that Albanian is a Thracian language. They support a connection with Illyrians, through Messapians. Southern Italy has J2b2, R1b, and E-V13. They are close in autosomal to us. Maybe it will click for you one day. Even though I highly doubt you are even Albanian, judging from many of your past posts. Wouldn't be surprising or shocking if you were a non-Albanian, causing discord to push your Thracian theory, who Johane and Hawk love because they have origins in Kosova / Southern Serbia, closer to Gava and Thrace, closer than where the Albani tribe was first mentioned. You also seem to love haplogroup I, saying they are the most energetic, innovative, creative people, lol. Wouldn't be surprised if PaleoRevenge is a Paleolithic I1 or I2 Serb who wants his revenge :LOL: Has Jovalis responded to your model yet? Good luck, it's absolutely insane to try and push a Thracian only origin for Albanians when we have J2b2 and more linguistic and cultural links to Illyrians. Keep pushing your fantasy theory if it makes your heart full. There is nothing that anyone can tell you to change your stubborn mind. It's a shame that one camp's theory is to dismiss anything J2b2 and Illyrian for Proto-Albanians, which doesn't make sense at all, lol. At least in our camp, the more popular theory that's rooted in reality, we can say that Albanians come from Illyrians who were a mix of J2b+R1b+EV13, while your camps theory is that Proto-Albs were pure EV13s who conquered J2bs and R1bs, yet left few traces of their language and culture compared to Illyrian :LOL: Here's another model for you just to show you how insane and pointless these models are, I can model Albanians as the extreme Southern shifted BGR_IA and extreme north shifted Slavic, it'll be something like 60% Thracian and 40% Slavic. There you have it, Albanians are half Thracian half Slavic. :LOL: Just like Serbs, LOL. These models are just mixing components from each population until it fits. East med, west med, baltic, atlantic, etc, etc. I can model Albanians as Peloponnese and British Isles, now we are Celtic Spartans. These models are laughable.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
You, Exine and others are welcome to share your G25 and I will make it part of my ALB average and run the test again. Let the data do the talking. As of now, based on my sample of 20 individuals, Thracian wins, hands down.

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You're welcome to stop spamming every genetics forum with your garbage.

On a PCA Illyrians clearly cluster closely with Albanians. Yet, you start with the assumption that "Thracians" are the base populations and keep adding random numerous southern/eastern populations to make your model fit. That's not how science works. You don't start with the conclusion and try to make your data fit.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
If anyone has missed it, this is pure gold:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread...mp-Europe-quot&p=879764&viewfull=1#post879764


He comes out and admits to basically fudging the data. His latest and best Alb average is made out of.............12???? Out of about 100 or more samples he has available at disposal. This is pure gold. Fake it till you make it.
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Learn to read and stop spreading misinformation. The average with 12 samples is the official one which you've been using all along. Everybody around has told you to stop causing disruption and disruption is the only thing which you've contributed. The admins should (finally) get involved. For those have forgotten, this is who "PaleoRevenge" is and everything's he is posting has to do with cheap propaganda:


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Excine said:
Learn to read and stop spreading misinformation. The average with 12 samples is the official one which you've been using all along. Everybody around has told you to stop causing disruption and disruption is the only thing which you've contributed. The admins should (finally) get involved. For those have forgotten, this is who "PaleoRevenge" is and everything's he is posting has to do with cheap propaganda:
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No we haven't, we have used all regional averages that contain over 100 samples that have been gathered. And it's a work in process as more people will be added. You mentally challenged dumb **** moron.
 
Or work in progress * Sorry dude I did not mean to quote you, I was talking to this dumb **** PaleoRevenge
 
Illyria said:
It's really a shame how dense you are, these models mean nothing. If you wanna play with them, have fun, like how a child plays with toys. I can make a model with Mycenaeans and Scythians to model Albanians, does that mean we are Mycenaean Scythians? "Mycenaean wins, hands down bro". Get a grip on reality. Albanians and even Ancient Macedonians are closer to the ancient West Balkans than they are to the ancient East Balkans. The three haplogroups of J2b2, R1b, and E-V13, have been in contact in the Balkans and Italy for thousands of years. A pure E-V13 Proto Albanian theory is a cr*ckpipe theory. Keep dreaming. Can you explain why there is few linguistic links to Thracian compared to Illyrian in the Albanian language? Can you explain why they stopped cremating, why E-V13 is being found next to Illyrians everywhere? I can't wait until we sample Dardania, Montenegro, Bosnia, and more samples from Albania, so that the deal will be sealed. We will see E-V13 in burials with Illyrians, with J2b2 and R1b. Proto-Albanians come from Illyrians who merged with Thracians, taking on more Illyrian culture, language, and autosomal from Illyrians. Scholars don't support that Albanian is a Thracian language. They support a connection with Illyrians, through Messapians. Southern Italy has J2b2, R1b, and E-V13. They are close in autosomal to us. Maybe it will click for you one day. Even though I highly doubt you are even Albanian, judging from many of your past posts. Wouldn't be surprising or shocking if you were a non-Albanian, causing discord to push your Thracian theory, who Johane and Hawk love because they have origins in Kosova / Southern Serbia, closer to Gava and Thrace, closer than where the Albani tribe was first mentioned. You also seem to love haplogroup I, saying they are the most energetic, innovative, creative people, lol. Wouldn't be surprised if PaleoRevenge is a Paleolithic I1 or I2 Serb who wants his revenge :LOL: Has Jovalis responded to your model yet? Good luck, it's absolutely insane to try and push a Thracian only origin for Albanians when we have J2b2 and more linguistic and cultural links to Illyrians. Keep pushing your fantasy theory if it makes your heart full. There is nothing that anyone can tell you to change your stubborn mind. It's a shame that one camp's theory is to dismiss anything J2b2 and Illyrian for Proto-Albanians, which doesn't make sense at all, lol. At least in our camp, the more popular theory that's rooted in reality, we can say that Albanians come from Illyrians who were a mix of J2b+R1b+EV13, while your camps theory is that Proto-Albs were pure EV13s who conquered J2bs and R1bs, yet left few traces of their language and culture compared to Illyrian :LOL: Here's another model for you just to show you how insane and pointless these models are, I can model Albanians as the extreme Southern shifted BGR_IA and extreme north shifted Slavic, it'll be something like 60% Thracian and 40% Slavic. There you have it, Albanians are half Thracian half Slavic. :LOL: Just like Serbs, LOL. These models are just mixing components from each population until it fits. East med, west med, baltic, atlantic, etc, etc. I can model Albanians as Peloponnese and British Isles, now we are Celtic Spartans. These models are laughable.
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Where's the evidence that Proto Albanians were illyrians who "merged" with Thracians? Agree with the rest of your posts though, we literally wuz, now we just need some J2b2 sample in Egypt and we'll be the most powerful ethnicity on earth
 
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Probably a mixed individual.
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What do you propose for mixed? At this stage, we don't really know where they came from, it was a mass-grave, no archaeological indication at all.
 
Excine said:
Learn to read and stop spreading misinformation. The average with 12 samples is the official one which you've been using all along. Everybody around has told you to stop causing disruption and disruption is the only thing which you've contributed. The admins should (finally) get involved. For those have forgotten, this is who "PaleoRevenge" is and everything's he is posting has to do with cheap propaganda:


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I misread his comment, it does not matter. The fact that you don't care about his clear fake regional averages speaks of your character. You should be disappointed and upset with Bruzmi. Instead you're mad at me for exposing his blatant fraud.

His new Alb G25 average, behaves almost exactly the same as northern Gheg average that was forwarded to me by an unnamed individual. He is handpicking profiles that behave like northern Ghegs.

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Northern Ghegs are split between Dardanian and Thracian, they slightly prefer Dardanian. Brumis new average is made of biased selections.

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This is how northern Gheg profile behaves, Dardanian>Thracian>Cinamak a distant third(not even close).
 
The new data that has been made available to me suggest the Kruja-Komani were Dardani like in profile based on the nortehrn Gheg profile. Kukes post-mdv behave the same with the minor exception they would pick I14622 as a substrate. So whoever the Kenete sample represents, they represent a 3rd smaller layer in Kukes region and Dibra. I can't make a good read on Dibra because Brumis regional averages are phony baloney, he has weighted them with HRV IA coordinates to forge a Illyrian pull.

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Kukes post-mdv average recognize I14622 as minor ancestor.
 
Hawk said:
What do you propose for mixed? At this stage, we don't really know where they came from, it was a mass-grave, no archaeological indication at all.
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I do believe that those two samples are reflections of Balkan-Carpathian/Channeled-Ware admixed with HRV_IA population probably mediated through females.

That E-V13 with Caucasus profile is puzzling though. He is low-coverage unfortunately. So his Caucasus affiliations might be wrong, even his Y-DNA call might be wrong.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
The new data that has been made available to me suggest the Kruja-Komani were Dardani like in profile based on the nortehrn Gheg profile. Kukes post-mdv behave the same with the minor exception they would pick I14622 as a substrate. So whoever the Kenete sample represents, they represent a 3rd smaller layer in Kukes region and Dibra. I can't make a good read on Dibra because Brumis regional averages are phony baloney, he has weighted them with HRV IA coordinates to forge a Illyrian pull.

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Kukes post-mdv average recognize I14622 as minor ancestor.
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This is perfect example why keeping MENA ingridients pure is important. I was criticized both in Anthro and here that my populations are not in sync. Bullox. From memory I remember that Kukes post-mdv should score higher Dardanian, but the Croatia Policija and Dragutin are partially Illyrian MENA profiles, so they are stealing a piece of the Dardanian slice, creating the illusion that Thracian is neck and neck with Dardanian.

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By using a modern MENA source there was cross pollination and it took a portion of the Dardanian slice away. Using the coordinates I created as a metal detector concept works pretty damn good. The question should be why the calculator prefers Thracian over Illyrian, not that I created an evil calc function to favor Thracian. If Illyrian came on top, I would have still reported my findings. The excuse that the G25 calculator works only with distances is again bullox, why does it not prefer Cinamak? Cinamak cluster super near modern Albanians, why is the calculator doing gymnastics to create a Thracian scenario with a much better confidence/fit?

Here is the famous Kos example, which is an underhanded attempt and not a honest one(the fit is tight because 50% of the ethnicity is MENA, which are captured easily by the MENA primordial coordinates/ingridients). Thracian vs Mycenaean.

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The calculator works, it recognizes Mycenaean as superior to Thracian. Keep in mind Mycenean predates Thracian by almost 1,000 years. A Greek IA average would work wonders. If we use Albanian averages from 200 years ago, they will outperform Thracian my miles, and modern Alb average would acknowledge them as Albanian. That's how a timeline should work if you have the right population and sample size. Not the case with Alb mdv which show no continuity to either Cinamak or modern Alb average. A complete disaster.
 
So here is my updated thoughts. Broder you will like this. Paeonian-Thracian is a faulty population, because those MKD SE samples probably don't represent Paeonian to begin with, but more importantly it is definitely behaving as a proxy for altered Illyrian, that is why a 75%Thracian-25% Illyrian combo represented by Thracian-Paeonian average works so well. So let's revisit the Roman Croatia and Serbia.

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Is it really likely that MKD SE colonized Croatia during Roman times? Even some of the Thracian reads seem suspicious. So I decided to put the calculator to the test on a one on one basis as I did with Albanian(which I was accused of creating a evil biased function LOL).

I did this test because my gut feeling tells me these are altered Illyrians, the reading is too consistent to be normal. So how does the calculator really work, are these folks really MKD SE colonists or altered Illyrians? Let's find out.

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The best fit are the Illyrians, specifically HRV IA. I'd say the calculator works extremely well. For such a simple and basic design it has a lot of capabilities, if you run the correct tests you will find the truth and you can easily uncover fraud with it too. It is a great detection tool. The calculator does have limitations when you throw the kitchen sink at it. And that's where the analytical skills of the user come into play.
 
The top three MKD SE scorers in Crotia/Serbia do actually prefer MKD SE as top pick with HRV IA 2nd. I am not convinced MKD SE represents Paeonian, possibly north Hellenic profile(we need to wait for more data), which would explain their presence in Croatia much better than an actual Paeonian colonization.

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Johane has posted about the Dacian toponym of Sarmizegetusa. Here is a visual presentation.

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Suliot toponym of Zjerrmi, separated by almost 2,000 years from the Dacian Sarmizegetusa, and the form remains almost unchanged.
 
There is a area called Mataraz near the Bulgarian village of Selishchen Dol.

The area "Mataraz" is also interesting, connected with a battle between the Turks and the Austrians during the "old wars", when the Germans were coming as far as Pernik. The old house of the Yurutsi, built in 1840 by master Malin at the end of the village next to the forest, was declared a cultural monument in the sixties of the 20th century.
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I cannot find any info on it, nor does it exists as a toponym anywhere in Bulgaria. It reminds one of the early Albanian tribes Mataranga/Mataruge. It would be interesting to know how the Serbs/Montenegrins spelled Mataruge in their medieval text.

https://bg-m-wikipedia-org.translat...tr_sl=bg&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
 
For Davidski:

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1) Note Bruzmi's average vs the nothern Gheg average. Virtually identical
2) Your average vs your average plus the 9 individuals I forwarded to you, essentially no change by adding the only 9 additional individuals I could find(a true random addition), that's a 75% increase to your original sample of 12.
3) His regional averages do not even agree to his latest grand average, his excuse "there are sims in there". My dog ate my homework.

At this point you should do your own tests on the samples he provided to you and make your own judgement. I know fraud when I see it.
 
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