Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

The earliest inscription referencing Albanopolis, who Albanians get their name from, was found in Gorno Sonje in Macedonia.

Inhabitants of Albanopolis mentioned in the inscription.

Posis = Greek name
Mestylu = Thracian name
Delus = rare name appearing only in Dardania, Paeonia, Macedonia
Mucati = Thracian name

No Illyrian names

https://twitter.com/AlbHistory/status/1455241867575107587
 
Arent dardanians just an extension of illyrians or proto illyrians?
Dardanians may be mixed with other non illyrian tribes but J-L283 from dardania is illyrian related I thought
 
Hawk said:
Just made this model on the fly. Notice if you see Western vis a vis Eastern Balkans it doesn't mean to be taken literally, it can mean somewhere in between as well.

Code: 
East_Balkans:BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20181,0.119514,0.157407,0.007165,-0.039083,0.028621,-0.023985,-0.003995,-0.003923,0.014726,0.04319,0.002923,0.008692,-0.0278,0.003165,-0.016422,0.003315,0.032074,0.008108,0.018603,-0.004252,-0.00836,-0.000742,-0.010106,0.002289,-0.016885
East_Balkans:BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20183,0.120652,0.160454,0.010559,-0.041344,0.030775,-0.02259,0.00282,-0.003,0.017794,0.047017,0.003085,0.013488,-0.008771,-0.004954,-0.029587,0.005171,0.024903,0.003674,0.008673,-0.001,-0.004866,-0.00371,0.000739,0.005784,-0.011017
East_Balkans:Scythian_MDA:scy197,0.122929,0.140143,0.029415,-0.023902,0.023081,-0.012829,0.015511,-0.005307,0.00225,0.035172,-0.005846,-0.001349,-0.01115,0.000275,-0.010586,-0.0118,0.001434,-0.000127,0.013324,-0.010255,-0.004742,-0.000989,0.003328,-0.002771,-0.008981
East_Balkans:BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA:I20186,0.122929,0.155376,0.007542,-0.059755,0.031698,-0.025937,0.0047,-0.005077,0.009408,0.049204,-0.001624,0.009292,-0.020069,0.007432,-0.028637,-0.016706,-0.001043,0.000633,0.01433,-0.010505,-0.009733,0.001855,-0.005669,0.003976,-0.002515
Western_Balkans:HRV_IA:I5723,0.124067,0.152329,0.039221,-0.006783,0.045239,-0.00251,0.00188,-0.003231,0.012271,0.030616,-0.004547,0.006444,-0.016501,-0.003441,-0.010043,0.003447,-0.000913,0.000887,0.004902,0.002376,-0.00836,0.001607,-0.004437,-0.001205,0.001557
Western_Balkans:HRV_IA:I5724,0.126344,0.152329,0.027907,0.006783,0.033237,-0.00753,0.006815,0.003923,0.01493,0.028976,-0.000162,0.008393,-0.009663,-0.00812,-0.007465,0.001458,-0.002086,0.007348,0.011816,-0.003377,-0.005989,0.011871,0.002095,-0.010724,0.000479
Western_Balkans:MNE_LBA:I13168,0.127482,0.150298,0.025644,0,0.031083,-0.001394,-0.000235,0.001846,0.006545,0.027518,0.005846,0.006894,-0.019177,-0.004817,-0.012758,0.00053,0.012386,0.002027,0.003394,-0.006253,-0.006988,0.008037,-0.004314,0.008194,-0.003233
Western_Balkans:MNE_LBA:I13169,0.129758,0.142174,0.027907,-0.01615,0.031083,-0.005857,0.000235,0.000923,0.011862,0.029158,0.00747,0.003897,-0.011298,-0.013625,-0.014115,-0.002784,0.004433,-0.007475,0.003771,-0.004877,-0.015098,0.013973,-0.001602,0.002048,-0.003113
Western_Balkans:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14690,0.125205,0.149283,0.034318,-0.00646,0.029544,-0.005857,-0.001175,0.004846,-0.00225,0.019681,0.001461,0.002698,-0.020069,-0.006468,-0.003122,0.002121,0.001825,0.003167,0.002011,-0.002501,-0.007861,0.003462,0.005423,-0.004217,-0.005269
Western_Balkans:ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14692,0.125205,0.152329,0.025644,-0.010336,0.019388,0.001116,-0.008695,0.003461,0.006136,0.025878,0.007145,0.010641,-0.018583,-0.00234,-0.011536,-0.006099,0.008605,0.00038,0.009679,-0.004877,-0.010981,-0.006183,-0.001479,0.012411,0.003113
Southern_Balkans:GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709,0.130897,0.177718,-0.004148,-0.060078,0.026466,-0.027889,0.01081,-0.004846,0.002659,0.036629,0.002598,0.020831,-0.018731,0.013625,-0.036237,-0.020817,-0.005867,0.002407,0.001885,-0.007629,-0.018093,0.011252,-0.002835,0.000723,0.000239
Southern_Balkans:GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577,0.129758,0.164516,0.008297,-0.052972,0.02739,-0.025937,-0.00517,-0.002538,0.005931,0.027882,0.008444,0.006894,-0.02215,-0.003853,-0.018594,-0.003315,0.022296,0.000507,0.013952,-0.003126,-0.014724,-0.00779,0.00949,0.000482,-0.007424
Central_Europe:HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18528,0.12862,0.145221,0.038089,-0.000323,0.037853,-0.002789,0.002585,0.004846,0.011044,0.016948,0.001137,0.003747,-0.01115,0.004129,-0.003936,-0.003447,0.007693,-0.004941,0.000251,0.006503,-0.006988,0.004575,-0.007395,-0.006989,-0.00958
Central_Europe:HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18529,0.127482,0.142174,0.034695,0.002907,0.039084,-0.009482,0.005875,0.005538,0.015135,0.02442,-0.003248,0.002847,-0.010704,-0.000963,-0.007736,0.003447,0.010822,-0.00266,-0.002388,-0.009004,-0.003993,0.008903,-0.001725,0.001205,-0.003473
Central_Europe:HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18530,0.124067,0.146236,0.046763,0.013243,0.049548,0.008367,-0.004465,0.009,0.018612,0.025695,-0.003735,0.004646,-0.019029,-0.006055,0.002714,0.005038,0.01017,-0.001774,0.00264,-0.001626,0.010357,0.007048,-0.000616,-0.010483,0.004191
Central_Europe:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I15071,0.129758,0.146236,0.058077,0.024225,0.04647,0.006693,0.00893,0.003923,-0.004704,0.004374,-0.006008,0.015586,-0.014123,-0.007294,0.010179,0.005304,-0.005998,-0.005828,0.000754,0.003502,0.000374,-0.003957,0.002958,-0.015544,0.001078
Central_Europe:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16088,0.127482,0.13405,0.053928,0.040698,0.037853,0.001952,0.017156,0.009692,0.010022,0.01549,-0.001949,-0.001049,-0.006095,-0.004679,-0.000407,0.002121,0.003129,-0.004307,0.010307,-0.002001,-0.000499,-0.007666,0.005053,-0.003615,0.003113



Target: ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16251
Distance: 2.5664% / 0.02566420
71.8Western_Balkans
25.4East_Balkans
2.8Southern_Balkans


Target: ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14692
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
100.0Western_Balkans


Target: ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14690
Distance: 0.0092% / 0.00009220
99.6Western_Balkans
0.2Central_Europe
0.2Southern_Balkans


Target: ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14688
Distance: 2.5452% / 0.02545162
48.0Western_Balkans
36.0Southern_Balkans
8.2East_Balkans
7.8Central_Europe



Target: Scythian_MDA:scy197
Distance: 0.0108% / 0.00010835
99.8East_Balkans
0.2Central_Europe


Target: ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_2:I10950
Distance: 1.9292% / 0.01929180
51.8Central_Europe
30.8East_Balkans
11.4Western_Balkans
6.0Southern_Balkans


Target: ITA_Sicily_Himera_480BCE_2:I10946
Distance: 3.0034% / 0.03003371
51.0Western_Balkans
26.0Central_Europe
15.8Southern_Balkans
7.2East_Balkans

Notice how i can envision that I10946 geographically wise came from somewhere more South-Western than I10950 who lived somewhere more North-East than than I10946. But, Pannonia on general is the best bet.
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The old company DnaTribes ( not running anymore as owner has died ) had me as ancient North-Caucasus to ancient North-Pannonia ( before going to ancient alpine area )

so mine below
Target: Veritus_scaled
Distance: 0.0263% / 0.02633731
48.6 Western_Balkans
32.8 Central_Europe
15.2 East_Balkans
3.4 Southern_Balkans
 
enter_tain said:
There's a 2007 paper on the Greek colonisation of Italy, but mostly focuses on Tarento. They do mention this though

"There is also a variety of imports among thepottery finds. To the first phase of occupationbelong fragments of Corinthian type A amphorae, and even a piece of ‘Devoll ware’ (fig. 47c) thatwas imported from what is now Albania. Otherimports originate from eastern Greece" - Greek colonists and indigenous populations at L'Amastuola, southern Italy (2007; with G.J. Burgers)
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Mr.Hammond in his 1967 book mentions Devoll ware as Mycenean in northern-Epirus ...............it was confirmed by Frano Prendi later as correct ( I think mr. Prendi is an albanian archeologist )

what latest news do you have ?

Messappi traded with Epirus for pottery beginning circa 440BC ..............while the Daunians kept trading for pottery with Northern Croatian lands
 
PaleoRevenge said:
The earliest inscription referencing Albanopolis, who Albanians get their name from, was found in Gorno Sonje in Macedonia.

Inhabitants of Albanopolis mentioned in the inscription.

Posis = Greek name
Mestylu = Thracian name
Delus = rare name appearing only in Dardania, Paeonia, Macedonia
Mucati = Thracian name

No Illyrian names

https://twitter.com/AlbHistory/status/1455241867575107587
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Delus Mucati sound very Albanian to me.

Delo is still used in south Albania. It seems that this names has survived from that time.


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Wanderer said:
Arent dardanians just an extension of illyrians or proto illyrians?
Dardanians may be mixed with other non illyrian tribes but J-L283 from dardania is illyrian related I thought
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The main difference is that the Thracian and other non-Illyrian influences reached a much higher and more influential level than in any "proper Illyrians". Similarly, the neighbouring Thracian Triballi, largely associated with the Basarabi successor culture of Ferigile (with Scythian influences) had stronger Illyrian influences than the average Thracians had.
They were both at the borderzone of the two spheres.

Compare the territory of the Dardani, which being squeezed between Illyrians and Daco-Thracians:
1280px-Praevalitana_in_the_Roman_Emp.jpg


With the Triballi:
Map_of_Triballi_tribe_%28English%29.jpg


600px-Triballi_territory.jpg


Obviously the borderline between Thracian and Illyrian influence was blurred in the Central Balkans. And its just that this blurred borderzone is the likeliest place of origin for Albanians, because they obviously got both influences and probably a third one too (R-Z2103 in that zone might be Greco-Armenian-Phrygian or Paeonian related?).

The Illyrians proper without Channelled Ware/Basarabi/Thracian influence will likely turn out all J-L283 with potentially some minor local (J2a, G2, R-Z2103?) and minor Tumulus culture/Celtic R-L51 influences. But the bulk of the combined E-V13 and R-Z2103 cries for something more Eastern/Northern and the borderzone, not Illyria proprie dicti.
 
Riverman said:
R-Z2103 in that zone might be Greco-Armenian-Phrygian or Paeonian related?
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To add to your post, what I find interesting, and that tends to be overlooked, is that the Iran_Hasanlu_IA (and 1 Hajji-Firruz-IA) samples have quite a few of R-Z2103>L-584>R-Y19434*, same clades with the Urartian and Armenian-BA and IA samples, which would imply there was relationship between the Armenian/Hurrian/Medes?

If there is an ancient Greek Z2103 to be found of similar branching, then a Greco-Medean-Armenian relationship would be established.
 
eupator said:
To add to your post, what I find interesting, and that tends to be overlooked, is that the Iran_Hasanlu_IA (and 1 Hajji-Firruz-IA) samples have quite a few of R-Z2103>L-584>R-Y19434*, same clades with the Urartian and Armenian-BA and IA samples, which would imply there was relationship between the Armenian/Hurrian/Medes?

If there is an ancient Greek Z2103 to be found of similar branching, then a Greco-Medean-Armenian relationship would be established.
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Mitanni and Medes being Iranians, so I rather think they picked these earlier steppe groups up, like Cimmerians also, rather than having a particularly close relationship. We see the Scythians in particular to have picked up a lot of other people and create a lot of mixed groups. Some just assimilated the Scythians and formed their own, only partially Scythianised culture, like the Thracians of the East Carpathians in particular. So I think this is rather due to an assimilation process. But that's just my personal opinion on the issue.
 
Riverman said:
The main difference is that the Thracian and other non-Illyrian influences reached a much higher and more influential level than in any "proper Illyrians". Similarly, the neighbouring Thracian Triballi, largely associated with the Basarabi successor culture of Ferigile (with Scythian influences) had stronger Illyrian influences than the average Thracians had.
They were both at the borderzone of the two spheres.

Compare the territory of the Dardani, which being squeezed between Illyrians and Daco-Thracians:
1280px-Praevalitana_in_the_Roman_Emp.jpg


With the Triballi:
Map_of_Triballi_tribe_%28English%29.jpg


600px-Triballi_territory.jpg


Obviously the borderline between Thracian and Illyrian influence was blurred in the Central Balkans. And its just that this blurred borderzone is the likeliest place of origin for Albanians, because they obviously got both influences and probably a third one too (R-Z2103 in that zone might be Greco-Armenian-Phrygian or Paeonian related?).

The Illyrians proper without Channelled Ware/Basarabi/Thracian influence will likely turn out all J-L283 with potentially some minor local (J2a, G2, R-Z2103?) and minor Tumulus culture/Celtic R-L51 influences. But the bulk of the combined E-V13 and R-Z2103 cries for something more Eastern/Northern and the borderzone, not Illyria proprie dicti.
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100,000 basarabi where hired by Philip V of Macedonia to defend Macedonia from the Dardanians ........when these macedonian-dardanian wars finalised, the Basarabi dispersed and many went to the inland area of Praevalitana .............
 
Dardanians where still present in the Imperial Roman times policies while the Illyrians where not ( split into 4 groups ) .........
 
Dardanians are Illyrian. We have samples from northern "North Macedonia" and they plot identical to Illyrians, not Thracians. In fact, so do western Macedonians and Kukes (which borders Kosovo).

Those Iron Age Thracians are a very "Aegean-like"/southeastern people and were clearly not some superpower like some here want to think for their own agendas. Thracians genetically are a Greco-Anatolian-type people, even if linguistically they're not.
 
enter_tain said:
Dardanians are Illyrian. We have samples from northern "North Macedonia" and they plot identical to Illyrians, not Thracians. In fact, so do western Macedonians and Kukes (which borders Kosovo).

Those Iron Age Thracians are a very "Aegean-like"/southeastern people and were clearly not some superpower like some here want to think for their own agendas. Thracians genetically are a Greco-Anatolian-type people, even if linguistically they're not.
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We only have samples from the South Eastern (Psenichevo-related) Thracians which quite obviously mixed extensively with Aegean-Anatolian locals and neighbours. We don't know how e.g. the Basarabi and Ferigile (Triballi) culture bearers looked like autosomally. We have no samples as of yet. I would assume that the local (non-Roman, non-Dacian, non-South Eastern Thracian) Thracian-Celtic element in and around Viminacium could be interesting, once we get these samples and hopefully more from the Serbian research group.

But what we can say for sure is that they will be more Northern, and therefore less different from Illyrians. How much so we don't know, but that this is the case is practically for sure. Because even if they would have expanded from the Lower Danube with Stamped Pottery to occupy these regions, what is doubtful, because I think they rather came from the Tisza-K?r?s region and Southern Romania, they would have presumably mixed with the locals and diluted the South Eastern ancestry in the Central Balkans to some degree.
 
Archetype0ne said:
I lost IQ reading some of the posts from paleorevenge, a dozen more and I might end up agreeing with him.



Stop drawing like you just discovered crayons.
First understand what a PCA is and what are the limitations, clean your PCA up then search for the patterns.
You are drawing lines from Albania EBA to Albania mdv without sense or logic.
First the move is on the Yamnaya - Balkan CHL axis which brings the paleoBalkan samples such as MNELBA, MKDanc, ALBMBA/anc to an intermediary position between ALBEBA and ALBNCHL
Then post antiquity the axis of admixture changes, between the Slavic and the East Med components.



As can be seen these are the very conclusions of the Southern Arc Paper.
These two axis between Yamnaya - Balkans Chl, then between East Med and Slavic is exactly what allows modern Albanians to cluster with ancient samples from the region since the MBA (By the time the outlier ALB_EBA intermixed with ALB_Chl).




Now please stop using your crayons and posting gibberish, enough IQ lost for the day.
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It's not just that but he is using Davidski G25 Albanian average which I believe contains only like 11 Albanian samples unless I am wrong. Those Albanian samples are also not more south, this guy obviously doesn't know how to read a PCA Map.
 
These Illyrian samples found in Roman Croatia overlap with Iron Age Western Balkans, Medieval / Post Medieval Albania and modern Albanians


Distance to: Histria
0.02645295 ALB_PostMA:I15706
0.02670996 GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.02685460 ITA_Chiusi_EMA:ETR007
0.02785719 HRV_EIA:I23995
0.02833490 DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2:NIEcap3c
0.02868174 HRV_BA:I5074
0.02917726 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR55
0.02924575 ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance:RMPR970
0.02928237 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
0.02933874 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36
0.02940014 DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1:NIEcap3b
0.02945433 HRV_BA:I18748
0.03014585 MKD_Anc:I10385
0.03025419 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33
0.03097523 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL36
0.03113771 MNE_LBA:I13775
0.03132907 ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14690
0.03148450 ITA_PoggioPelliccia_EMA:pOP001
0.03203364 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18746
0.03213954 MNE_LBA:I13167
0.03247886 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
0.03255247 ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14692
0.03268822 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747
0.03269766 HRV_EBA:I3499
0.03295481 HRV_EIA:I26742






Distance to: Pannonia_Savia
0.02454142 HRV_BA:I18748
0.02468041 ALB_PostMA:I15706
0.02581792 HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
0.02647273 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18746
0.02662104 HRV_EIA:I23995
0.02686006 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR55
0.02722007 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33
0.02731375 ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I14690
0.02779523 MNE_LBA:I13775
0.02826240 DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1:NIEcap3b
0.02829294 ALB_Cinamak_Anc:I16251
0.02839100 MNE_LBA:I13168
0.02915722 GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.02924939 MNE_LBA:I13777
0.02931244 HRV_EIA:I26742
0.02938227 MKD_Anc:I10384
0.02968306 HRV_Cetina_BA:I18747
0.03003571 MNE_LBA:I13167
0.03021946 HRV_EBA:I3499
0.03041909 ITA_Foggia_MA:VK538
0.03049791 MKD_BA:I7231
0.03060717 ALB_MA:I13834
0.03066562 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36
0.03087316 ITA_Chiusi_EMA:ETR007
0.03115717 HRV_EIA:I23904




Distance to: Roman_Dardania:Viminacium:Serbia_Viminacium:R9669_ __AD_220___Coverage_47.26%
0.01488396 Albanian_Tropojë-Gjakovë
0.01499980 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.01573347 Albanian_Labëria
0.01578209 Albanian_Kosovo
0.01586072 Albanian_Pukë
0.01602089 Albanian_Himarë
0.01672244 Albanian_Kosovo_Drenica
0.01761822 Greek_Thessaly
0.01792886 Albanian_Montenegro
0.01861593 Albanian_Korçë
0.01870535 Albanian_Central_Albania
0.01940846 Italian_Tuscany
0.01961279 Italian_Piedmont
0.02038943 Albanian
0.02060000 Albanian_Mirditë
0.02128203 Swiss_Italian
0.02193268 Albanian_Dibra
0.02237420 Greek_Macedonia
0.02272031 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02349211 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.02395840 Greek_Messenia
0.02422429 Italian_Marche
0.02477667 Greek_Achaea
0.02534256 Greek_Elis
0.02581312 Greek_Arcadia






Distance to: Histria
0.01498791 Albanian_Tropojë-Gjakovë
0.01623978 Italian_Piedmont
0.01628291 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.01685090 Albanian_Central_Albania
0.01712691 Italian_Tuscany
0.01720881 Albanian_Labëria
0.01739315 Albanian_Pukë
0.01766900 Albanian_Himarë
0.01911879 Albanian_Kosovo
0.01960680 Albanian_Korçë
0.01976076 Albanian_Kosovo_Drenica
0.02025755 Swiss_Italian
0.02041372 Greek_Thessaly
0.02120641 Albanian_Montenegro
0.02315338 Italian_Marche
0.02397232 Albanian_Mirditë
0.02413487 Italian_Liguria
0.02456475 Italian_Umbria
0.02480421 Italian_Veneto
0.02502613 Albanian_Dibra
0.02553547 Italian_Bergamo
0.02592085 Albanian
0.02593033 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02605302 Italian_Lombardy
0.02668993 French_Corsica






Distance to: Pannonia_Savia
0.01008664 Albanian_Tropojë-Gjakovë
0.01058992 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.01186581 Albanian_Kosovo
0.01319886 Albanian_Pukë
0.01325533 Albanian_Montenegro
0.01357424 Albanian_Kosovo_Drenica
0.01495366 Albanian_Labëria
0.01591902 Italian_Piedmont
0.01602170 Albanian_Korçë
0.01634265 Albanian_Himarë
0.01638115 Albanian_Central_Albania
0.01694924 Swiss_Italian
0.01857338 Italian_Tuscany
0.01971024 Albanian_Mirditë
0.01973539 Albanian_Dibra
0.02024482 Greek_Thessaly
0.02071263 Albanian
0.02205018 Italian_Veneto
0.02244784 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02400965 Greek_Macedonia
0.02523509 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.02570783 Rumelia_East
0.02597000 Italian_Bergamo
0.02653177 Italian_Marche
0.02669377 Greek_Messenia




Distance to: Dalmatia
0.01134221 Albanian_Himarë
0.01159103 Italian_Tuscany
0.01160401 Albanian_Central_Albania
0.01228527 Italian_Marche
0.01305404 Albanian_Labëria
0.01332171 Italian_Umbria
0.01549999 Albanian_Pukë
0.01559871 Greek_Thessaly
0.01692635 Albanian_Mirditë
0.01699319 Albanian_Tropojë-Gjakovë
0.01841780 Italian_Lazio
0.01873896 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.01921584 Italian_Piedmont
0.01953018 Greek_Achaea
0.02017517 Albanian_Dibra
0.02045083 Greek_Argolis
0.02046673 Greek_Messenia
0.02079470 Greek_Elis
0.02087670 Greek_Corinthia
0.02094803 Greek_Peloponnese
0.02097447 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.02109246 Italian_Molise
0.02113415 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02135710 Albanian_Korçë
0.02141235 Greek_Arcadia








Distance to: Thracia
0.02064554 Gagauz
0.02468944 Rumelia_East
0.02581620 Bulgarian
0.02705912 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02878752 Greek_Macedonia
0.03001301 Albanian_Korçë
0.03020392 Albanian_Kosovo
0.03050640 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.03130205 Albanian_Pukë
0.03146287 Macedonian
0.03270496 Albanian_Montenegro
0.03308294 Albanian_Labëria
0.03372044 Albanian_Northwestern_Albania
0.03385673 Greek_Thessaly
0.03455853 Romanian
0.03472932 Greek_Achaea
0.03493009 Albanian_Tropojë-Gjakovë
0.03496236 Albanian
0.03530220 Greek_Elis
0.03544329 Albanian_Kosovo_Drenica
0.03559167 Greek_Messenia
0.03648939 Greek_Arcadia
0.03649453 Greek_Argolis
0.03652949 Albanian_Dibra
0.03661241 Albanian_Central_Albania
 
Byzantine Croatians overlap with me, a modern Apulian from Bari.

Distance to:Jovialis
2.77221933HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744
3.31691121HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15462
3.82032721HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463
5.08145648HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15741
5.43155595ALB_Mdv:I14622
5.95918619TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14822
6.06599538TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14840
6.14608819ALB_PostMdv:I14686
6.85800262ALB_Mdv:I13839
7.43835331TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_PostMdv:I14823
7.79806386ALB_PostMdv:I14687
7.89941770MKD_Anc:I10389
8.87252501MKD_BA:I7231
9.18601110TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14831
9.28975242GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
9.37597462BGR_Veliko_Tarnovo_Mdv:I17980
9.39180494BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19453
9.65615866ALB_PostMdv:I15707
9.71159616MKD_Anc:I10391
9.71831776TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20187
9.86454763BGR_Anc:I19500
10.02677416TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14832
10.30341691HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15743
10.38959094ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251
10.46861500ALB_PostMdv:I14685
 
Jovialis said:
Byzantine Croatians overlap with me, a modern Apulian from Bari.

Distance to:Jovialis
2.77221933HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744
3.31691121HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15462
3.82032721HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463
5.08145648HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15741
5.43155595ALB_Mdv:I14622
5.95918619TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14822
6.06599538TUR_Marmara_İznik_Y.kapı_Byz:I14840
6.14608819ALB_PostMdv:I14686
6.85800262ALB_Mdv:I13839
7.43835331TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_PostMdv:I14823
7.79806386ALB_PostMdv:I14687
7.89941770MKD_Anc:I10389
8.87252501MKD_BA:I7231
9.18601110TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14831
9.28975242GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
9.37597462BGR_Veliko_Tarnovo_Mdv:I17980
9.39180494BGR_TellKran_EBA:I19453
9.65615866ALB_PostMdv:I15707
9.71159616MKD_Anc:I10391
9.71831776TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20187
9.86454763BGR_Anc:I19500
10.02677416TUR_Marmara_Balıkesir_Byz:I14832
10.30341691HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15743
10.38959094ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251
10.46861500ALB_PostMdv:I14685
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I wouldn't be surprised if even modern Apulians are mostly Balkanic in DNA.
 
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