Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

[epirus1000]

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So, basically the second picture is telling that the Chimariots are not to be distinguished from Albanians, their dress and language being perfectly similar, and they do not understand one syllable of Romaic (Greek).
So, in 1830 the Chimariots did not know any Greek.
That's a fact that we knew for centuries. Lord Byron just confirming it.

 

[Olti27]

Most "greeks" of Himara are just a product of pensions in exchange for declaring them self as minority, being paid for by german taxpayers money.

 

[enter_tain]

Ever heard of the Thraco-Cimmerians, Eastern Hallstatt and the Dacians? Thsoe will play their role. We see it in the phylogeny of E-V13, these were the large upticks after the LBA-EIA transition. The Roman era was one big downfall for E-V13, so at best a redistribution, but not the era of growth and spread as such.

If you mind, much of Greece was Thracian anyway:

And this is a conservative map, with their influence reaching much further to the West.

Also, if you use the standard heatmap, the area of the Daco-Thracians being still largely covered by the above 9 %:
https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php

Yes, Thraco-Cimmerians spread EV13 to 15% of Italy, peaking to 20% in Northwestern France or 33% in Central Greece. This is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.

EV13 was a large wave that spread all over Roman Europe.

Anyone trying to attribute it to Proto-Albanians or only Thracians or whatever is only doing it for their idiotic agenda.

 

[enter_tain]

If you mind, much of Greece was Thracian anyway:

Much of Greece was Thracian, yet they have 0 linguistic or cultural influence from Thracians.

These Thracians must have formed one of the world's largest empires or something.

P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian

 

[Wanderer]

Much of Greece was Thracian, yet they have 0 linguistic or cultural influence from Thracians.

These Thracians must have formed one of the world's largest empires or something.

P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian

This is the perfect opportunity to share a list ancient testimonials that macadonians were not greek. I share video 1 although it should follow with the next video being suggested in sequential order. If not just go to the youtube channel to view the other videos

 

[Riverman]

Much of Greece was Thracian, yet they have 0 linguistic or cultural influence from Thracians.

These Thracians must have formed one of the world's largest empires or something.

P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian

The Greeks expanded into Thracian areas and colonised those later. You better learn history and some of those "idiotic facts" you seem to miss all too often:

Bithynia is named for the Thracian tribe of the Bithyni, mentioned by Herodotus (VII.75) alongside the Thyni. The "Thraco-Phrygian" migration from the Balkans to Asia Minor would have taken place at some point following the Bronze Age collapse or during the early Iron Age. The Thyni and Bithyni appear to have settled simultaneously in the adjoining parts of Asia, where they expelled or subdued the Mysians, Caucones and other minor tribes, the Mariandyni maintaining themselves in the northeast. Herodotus mentions the Thyni and Bithyni as settling side by side.^[1] No trace of their original language has been preserved, but Herodotus describes them as related to the tribes of Thracian extraction like the Phrygians and Armenians, whose languages may form part of the Paleo-Balkan group (although this is not certain and the theory is not universally accepted).
Later the Greeks established on the coast the colonies of Cius (modern Gemlik); Chalcedon (modern Kadık?y), at the entrance of the Bosporus, nearly opposite Byzantium (modern Istanbul) and Heraclea Pontica (modern Karadeniz Ereğli), on the Euxine, about 120 miles (190 km) east of the Bosporus.^[2]
The Bithynians were incorporated by king Croesus within the Lydian monarchy, with which they fell under the dominion of Persia (546 BC), and were included in the satrapy of Phrygia, which comprised all the countries up to the Hellespont and Bosporus.^[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia

All that happened well into the historical period, so its not even about archaeological cultures any more, even those cases being glass clear as well with the Thracian Channelled Ware and Psenichevo-Basarabi (Stamped Pottery, Kantharoi) groups of the Iron Age, which can be equated with Thracians.

 

[ihype02]

Yes, Thraco-Cimmerians spread EV13 to 15% of Italy, peaking to 20% in Northwestern France or 33% in Central Greece. This is so dumb I don't even know where to begin.

EV13 was a large wave that spread all over Roman Europe.

Anyone trying to attribute it to Proto-Albanians or only Thracians or whatever is only doing it for their idiotic agenda.

Southwest France and Italy have around 5% to 10% E-V13.

 

[torzio]

Southwest France and Italy have around 5% to 10% E-V13.

you are commenting on a map which has not been updated since May 2018 ................this map is not valid anymore

 

[enter_tain]

Southwest France and Italy have around 5% to 10% E-V13.

Look at the Y-DNA ratios that this very site has posted by region.

You're obsessed with EV13 in Albanians while ignoring that it spread all over Europe during the Roman Empire, in way larger frequencies than "Proto-Albanians" or "Thracians" can spread.

 

[enter_tain]

The Greeks expanded into Thracian areas and colonised those later. You better learn history and some of those "idiotic facts" you seem to miss all too often:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia

All that happened well into the historical period, so its not even about archaeological cultures any more, even those cases being glass clear as well with the Thracian Channelled Ware and Psenichevo-Basarabi (Stamped Pottery, Kantharoi) groups of the Iron Age, which can be equated with Thracians.

Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent

Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?

 

[torzio]

Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent

Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?

no......they are Pala people ....Palaic language

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-Luwic-writing-discovered-from_fig1_330759548

 

[torzio]

Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent

Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?

Thraco-Cimmerians .....is around the gulf of Azov .............northern parts of the black sea

 

[Riverman]

Yeah. This is Bithynia's map. What the actual f are you talking about? You're completely incoherent

Are they Eastern Hallstat Thraco-Cimmerians too?

I was talking about that:

P.S. I love those idiotic maps of yours. Thessaloniki was Thracian, Byzantium/Constantinople was also Thracian

Just look at the map. And they were no Thraco-Cimmerians, because those lived in the Carpathian basin for the most part, we have the samples of one region Cimmerian and the locals (Daco-Thracians) from Mezocsat. The only problem with the latter is that for some reason they are half a dozen of females.

North of Greece and in North Western Anatolia (including the area of the Bosporus) lived Channelled Ware/Knobbed Ware in the Transitional Period and later Stamped Pottery/Psenichevo-related, which is the group from which we got the E-V13 carriers from and which are considered Thracian Early Iron Age.

Following the warlike destruction of the town, the VIIb phase in Troia, is mainly char-
acterized by a change of ceramics. The new vessels are hand-made and as such,
clearly different from the well-established Troian wheel-manufactured ceramic
traditions. These so-called Knobbed and ?Barbarian? wares were considered by most
researchers as an indication of the arrival of a new ethnic group at Troia. The origin
of this ceramic tradition was sought in southeastern Europe where similar pottery is
abundant.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285784740_On_the_Origin_of_Coarse_Wares_of_Troia_VII

 

[Hawk]

One other option, to explain the presence of E-V13 in Cyprus and South Italy is that E-V13 was one of the major lineages of Byzantine Empire, obviously mediated through Thracians. One South Italian member, has the same sub-clade as the Byzantine brothers from Nicaea. That's still up to debate, and only ancient DNA will resolve it.

But, i expect classical Greece to show E-V13, would be weird not showing considering archaeological facts.

 

[Riverman]

One other option, to explain the presence of E-V13 in Cyprus and South Italy is that E-V13 was one of the major lineages of Byzantine Empire, obviously mediated through Thracians. One South Italian member, has the same sub-clade as the Byzantine brothers from Nicaea.

But, i expect classical Greece to show E-V13, would be weird not showing considering archaeological facts.

There is no way classical Greeks have no E-V13, even if it woudl be just due to later Thracian-Greek contacts. The question is just which frequency they got. I think it will vary a great deal within Greece, but being surely double digits in some regions. That it spread with Greeks later (too) is without doubt, especially for Southern Italy.

 

[Kari]

Most "greeks" of Himara are just a product of pensions in exchange for declaring them self as minority, being paid for by german taxpayers money.

bruh.Albanians,especially tosks, have greek dna (around 30% in tosks).We can see that south albanians have more caucasian admixture than north albanians

 

[Wanderer]

Look at the Y-DNA ratios that this very site has posted by region.

You're obsessed with EV13 in Albanians while ignoring that it spread all over Europe during the Roman Empire, in way larger frequencies than "Proto-Albanians" or "Thracians" can spread.

Says island of france. Is that corsica?

 

[Riverman]

Says island of france. Is that corsica?

That's the central French region around Paris:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Île-de-France

Such a high percentage of E1b in that region can only be attributed to Maghrebian migrants or some other sort of bias. There might be small regions in France in which E-V13 exceeds 10 %, but more than 20 % E1b around ?le-de-France is completely out of question for the native French.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Says island of france. Is that corsica?

I think it's a regional name for Paris district or some district near Paris, just google it.

 

[Fustan]

LMAO at Derites sockpuppet accounts at Anthrogenica
No one wants to hear your debunked shit theories dude. You come across as mentally unhinged by continuing for days now.

And just like the Neo Illyrian mount he managed to ban another good and important thread over there regarding Albanians.