Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

In any case, it is unnecessary to address E-V13 in such broad terms. We will determine the location of the Albanian clades. Most likely among Illyrians, like the Dardanians, but we'll see. I feel that southern Illyrians should also have E-V13 haplogroup, as it is just as Proto-Albanian as the other haplogroups found among Proto-Albanians, as per SA.
Considering the high number of Proto-Illyrian/Illyrian samples we have the "theory" that E1b majorly spread with Illyrians or somehow was a major Illyrian haplogroup is totally debunked. No serious persona continues to claim such a thing except for the Maleschreiber/Bruzmi Wikipedia internet enthusiast. The phylogeny of the Albanian E1b clades does not support such a scenario either. You've made your repetitive "points", you can move on now.
 
Considering the high number of Proto-Illyrian/Illyrian samples we have the "theory" that E1b majorly spread with Illyrians or somehow was a major Illyrian haplogroup is totally debunked. No serious persona continues to claim such a thing except for the Maleschreiber/Bruzmi Wikipedia internet enthusiast. The phylogeny of the Albanian E1b clades does not support such a scenario either. You've made your repetitive "points", you can move on now.
Dardania (Kosovo, S. Serbia, N. Macedonia), & Bosnia, which are Illyrian, haven't been tested yet, so the theory isn't "totally debunked". Both areas are near the Danube, near the Morava, Sava, and Drina rivers, which all lead into Albanian territory. Those regions need to be tested and then we'll see. We don't have enough samples of E-V13 in general either, once we get some samples from these regions which are close to today's Albania, we'll probably see some E-V13 clades that match with Albanians. Like how there was E-V13 in Croatia, maybe there will be in Bosnia or Dardania. If some Thracians joined the Illyrians in these areas, maybe they were buried in a mound instead of cremated, etc, there's many possibilities, the theory is still open until we get more samples.
 
Thracian -para possibly related to Albanian. farë which is cognate with Greek. spore, the loss of the s in /sp/ was part of the transition to -> /f/ as in "fjalë", cognate with English. spell. /sp/ became /f/ in Albanian.

Thracian -para could have therefore originally meant clan (seed to clan/tribe) and come to mean settlement.

For example of this semantic transition, Albanian. vis (settlement, area) compared to cognate "Aryan Vissa" in Sanskrit (which means Aryan Clans).

Bessapara (Besë+fara)
Buiapara (Buaj + fara) (compare Bua tribe in Albanian)
Dardapara (Dardhë + fara) (two such settlements)
Brentopara (Brina + fara)
Briparon (Bri + fara)
Drusipara (Dru + fara)
Busipara (Buzë + fara)

-deva possibly related to an inflection of Albanian. dhe meaning settlement/village? Compare Atdheu (fatherland).

Murideva (Mur + dheu)
Burrideva (Burrë + dheu)
Perburridava (Për + Burrë + dheu)

Burri tribe cognate with Albanian. Burrë


There is the Thracian and Dacian name Diegis connection to Albanian. Djeg
There is the Thracian name Drenis connection to Albanian. Dren

Dacian. Amalusta (camomile) Albanian. Ambël
Dacian. Drubetis cognate with Albanian. Dru
Dacian. Karpates cognate with Albanian. Karpë
Dacian. Zermi-sirga cognate with Albanian. Zjerm
Dacian. Mantua (mulberry) cognate with Albanian. man (mulberry)
Dacian. Maluensis cognate with Albanian. Mal
Dacian. Patavissa cognate with Albanin. vis
Dacian. Polondova which later became Pelendova matches proto-Albanian. pol-na which became Albanian. pelë

There is the Dacian god: Vet-sopios, Ouet-sopios, the first part is cognate with Albanian. vetë, translation of Greek. Auto+hyppos

Wow, we don't have a single Thracian text and yet so many Albanian cognates appear among the Thracians and Dacians, this must mean that Albanian is Thracian.

But actually, since Albanian shares the most exclusive words with Baltic only and no other IE language, this must actually mean that the Baltic language is Albanian.

I hope my point has been made. Language descendance is not established by cognates, since Thracian also has cognates with Albanian, but by phonology.

Matzinger himself openly makes comparisons between Illyrian and Albanian as is shown in the case of Dimale, Dallendyshe, etc, but he is still arguing that the phonological system of Albanian and Illyrian are of two different languages.

Also, it is easy to cherry pick some names and torture a comparison with Albanian out of them, but there are countless Illyrian names which have no Albanian etymology:

Skerdilaidas
Clevatus
Longarus
Abozika
Adana
Birkenna
Plator
Koreta
Etleva
Ettuta
Ettritos
Glavus
Grabos
Grabon
Langaros
Laudos
Lydra
Madena
Mallika
Mannikos
Monounios
Pinnes
Pleuratos
Preurat/dos
Skeneta
Temus
Titos
Trauzos
Trauzina
Verzan
Verzas
Khortas
Zaimina
Zaimios



THR_LANG.gif

If we compare the evolution of Albanian farë (seed) we see a stage where it is at "phara".

If we imagine Thracian having a common ancestor that shared this path to a point, the semantic and phonetic transformation for the -para suffix might be possible

PAlb. *sparā > *psarā >
*pharā> farë
 
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Thracian -para possibly related to Albanian. farë which is cognate with Greek. spore, the loss of the s in /sp/ was part of the transition to -> /f/ as in "fjalë", cognate with English. spell. /sp/ became /f/ in Albanian.

Thracian -para could have therefore originally meant clan (seed to clan/tribe) and come to mean settlement.

For example of this semantic transition, Albanian. vis (settlement, area) compared to cognate "Aryan Vissa" in Sanskrit (which means Aryan Clans).

Bessapara (Besë+fara)
Buiapara (Buaj + fara) (compare Bua tribe in Albanian)
Dardapara (Dardhë + fara) (two such settlements)
Brentopara (Brina + fara)
Briparon (Bri + fara)
Drusipara (Dru + fara)
Busipara (Buzë + fara)

-deva possibly related to an inflection of Albanian. dhe meaning settlement/village? Compare Atdheu (fatherland).

Murideva (Mur + dheu)
Burrideva (Burrë + dheu)
Perburridava (Për + Burrë + dheu)

Burri tribe cognate with Albanian. Burrë


There is the Thracian and Dacian name Diegis connection to Albanian. Djeg
There is the Thracian name Drenis connection to Albanian. Dren

Dacian. Amalusta (camomile) Albanian. Ambël
Dacian. Drubetis cognate with Albanian. Dru
Dacian. Karpates cognate with Albanian. Karpë
Dacian. Zermi-sirga cognate with Albanian. Zjerm
Dacian. Mantua (mulberry) cognate with Albanian. man (mulberry)
Dacian. Maluensis cognate with Albanian. Mal
Dacian. Patavissa cognate with Albanin. vis
Dacian. Polondova which later became Pelendova matches proto-Albanian. pol-na which became Albanian. pelë

There is the Dacian god: Vet-sopios, Ouet-sopios, the first part is cognate with Albanian. vetë, translation of Greek. Auto+hyppos

Wow, we don't have a single Thracian text and yet so many Albanian cognates appear among the Thracians and Dacians, this must mean that Albanian is Thracian.

But actually, since Albanian shares the most exclusive words with Baltic only and no other IE language, this must actually mean that the Baltic language is Albanian.

I hope my point has been made. Language descendance is not established by cognates, since Thracian also has cognates with Albanian, but by phonology.

Matzinger himself openly makes comparisons between Illyrian and Albanian as is shown in the case of Dimale, Dallendyshe, etc, but he is still arguing that the phonological system of Albanian and Illyrian are of two different languages.

Also, it is easy to cherry pick some names and torture a comparison with Albanian out of them, but there are countless Illyrian names which have no Albanian etymology:

Skerdilaidas
Clevatus
Longarus
Abozika
Adana
Birkenna
Plator
Koreta
Etleva
Ettuta
Ettritos
Glavus
Grabos
Grabon
Langaros
Laudos
Lydra
Madena
Mallika
Mannikos
Monounios
Pinnes
Pleuratos
Preurat/dos
Skeneta
Temus
Titos
Trauzos
Trauzina
Verzan
Verzas
Khortas
Zaimina
Zaimios



THR_LANG.gif

If we note some of the toponyms like " Selymbria, Poltymbria, Bolbabria, Alaabria, Mesambria,etc" then it is also possible that Galabrioi and Kalabria are actually related to this toponym, with the suffix -bria and prefix Kala-
 
If we compare the evolution of Albanian farë (seed) we see a stage where it is at "phara".
If we imagine Thracian having a common ancestor that shared this path to a point, the semantic and phonetic transformation for the -para suffix might be possible
PAlb. *sparā > *psarā >
*pharā> farë

Nice try! -para in Thracian is the equivalent of -polis in Greek. Fara is the tribe, the clan. From what we know about Thracians they never had the close, endogamous clans of the Albanians. There was plenty of land to be had so they did not have to safeguard it so close.
 
Some Illyrian names might not have any known Albanian etymology but I personally do not see how -para -dava etc have Albanian etymology ... Bessapara means nothing in Albanian which was a Thracian placename called 'Fort of the Bessi' or something like 'Petersborough' .

Also Bulgaria Iron Age is way more Southern shifted

Be3t0R1.png
 
Considering the high number of Proto-Illyrian/Illyrian samples we have the "theory" that E1b majorly spread with Illyrians or somehow was a major Illyrian haplogroup is totally debunked. No serious persona continues to claim such a thing except for the Maleschreiber/Bruzmi Wikipedia internet enthusiast. The phylogeny of the Albanian E1b clades does not support such a scenario either. You've made your repetitive "points", you can move on now.

Doesn't need to be a "major" Illyrian haplogroup. It just needs to exist there. RL51 was not a major Yamnaya group. J2B2-L283 was not either. Yet, they became the major group of many IE-heavy speaking people, and in a much shorter time frame (2k instead of 4k years).

You seem to lack a fundamental grasp of how genetics work.

Today, there are Albanian cities with almost 50% EV-13, and Albanian cities with almost 10% EV-13. Yet, autosomally they are clearly similar both in PCA and IBD. You demand a uniformity of % in Illyrians that doesn't even exist amongst modern Albanians. Y-DNA will fluctuate massively from village to village, clan to clan, region to region, yet the people can come from the same stock.
 
Some Illyrian names might not have any known Albanian etymology but I personally do not see how -para -dava etc have Albanian etymology ... Bessapara means nothing in Albanian which was a Thracian placename called 'Fort of the Bessi' or something like 'Petersborough' .

Also Bulgaria Iron Age is way more Southern shifted

Be3t0R1.png

these personnel Illyrian names are found in noricum (east austria )



since the Illyrians where replaced there by the celts between Halstatt phase 1 ( 1000BC ) and Halstatt phase 2 ( 780BC ).........then we can say these names migrated in a south ward direction
 
Nice try! -para in Thracian is the equivalent of -polis in Greek. Fara is the tribe, the clan. From what we know about Thracians they never had the close, endogamous clans of the Albanians. There was plenty of land to be had so they did not have to safeguard it so close.

The semantic transformation from tribe to settlement exists. Albanian. vis (settlement) [compare Dacian patavissa] and Arya Vissa from rigveda meaning "Aryan Clans".
 
First time I am hearing that ‘vis’ means settlement in Albanian. What sort of dialect uses Vis for a settlement? I see the entree in wiki but not heard such a term before. I know ‘Vise’ for example which translates into ‘region’.
 
these personnel Illyrian names are found in noricum (east austria )

since the Illyrians where replaced there by the celts between Halstatt phase 1 ( 1000BC ) and Halstatt phase 2 ( 780BC ).........then we can say these names migrated in a south ward direction


Some of these names including the ones Johane Derite listed can actually be explained in Albanian but of course it would only be speculation such as the name 'Bindus' 'Binhdo' from Albanian ''Bindur' 'Bind' which means 'Convince / Convinced' .
 
Some of these names including the ones Johane Derite listed can actually be explained in Albanian but of course it would only be speculation such as the name 'Bindus' 'Binhdo' from Albanian ''Bindur' 'Bind' which means 'Convince / Convinced' .

take Candala linked to Dalmatians .......from Candalicae Noricum

Candalicae

Place: possibly Micheldorf, Friesach, state Kärnten, Austria
Name: Candalicae (It. Ant.)
Etymology: Explained [Delamarre, p. 100] as a Celtic compound name 'the glowing stones' formed from the adjective *candos 'white', which is a cognate of the IE root *(s)kand- 'to glow, bright', and the name *lic(c)a 'stone', which is a cognate of the IE root *leu- 'stone'.
 
Noricum Ripense
Aenus fl.

Place: river Inn, state Oberösterreich, Austria
Name: Aenus (Ptol., Tacit., It. Ant.)
Etymology: To be compared with Aenona (Illyria). According to [Udolph], the stem *aen- is the A-language counterpart of the IE root *ein-, an extension of *ei- 'to go'.

Albianum

Place: not proveably Ebbs, state Tirol, Austria
Name: Albianum (It. Ant.)
Etymology: The formant seems to point to a placename derived from a personal name and actually [Delamarre, p. 44] posits a personal name Albianos.




Noricum Mediterraneum
Adrans

Place: Trojane, Lukovica, Slovenia
Name: Adrans (It. Ant., Peut.) Hadrans (Hier.) Atrans (inscr.)
Etymology: Possibly related to Adrium m. (Illyria) and thus to Sanskrit adri 'stone', which reflects a long sonant nasal *ned-ri-, from the dubious IE root *end- 'stone'. More likely, a participial form reflecting the extension *ad-ro- of the IE root *ad(u)- 'water current'.


Flavia Solva

Place: Wagna, state Steiermark, Austria
Name: Solva (Plin.)
Etymology: Similarly to Solva (Pannonia) and Solentia (Illyria), the name could be derived from the IE root *suel- 'foot, sole, ground', with metathesis of -u-. However, both for [Anreiter] and [Delamarre, p. 240], it is rather related to a Celtic word *selwa- 'property', derived from the IE root *sel- 'to take, grab'.
 
I love how this Johanne clown stopped making up fake quotes from books, and now is pretending to be a linguist. There are rules to how comparative linguistics work. It has to be peer reviewed by other people.

You can't just pull shit out of your ass based on similar sounding words.

This clown is doing stuff like "Oh look there is a Thracian tribe called "Paitoi". That's related to Albanian "Pajtoj",when in reality a five second check will show that most of them are Latin borrowed words.
 
The semantic transformation from tribe to settlement exists. Albanian. vis (settlement) [compare Dacian patavissa] and Arya Vissa from rigveda meaning "Aryan Clans".


Are you that mentally ill that you're making up fake etymologies to back up your pathetic theories?

That word is rendered in Proto-Albanian as "uitsi-a", and as a naming convention doesn't exist anywhere in Albanian.
 

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