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    Post White Brazilian (Me) - GEdmatch Results Eurogenes K13 and MDLP K16.

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    # Population Percent
    1 North Atlantic 37.44
    2 West Med 28.54
    3 East Med 11.17
    4 Baltic 8.95
    5 Sub Saharan 4.88
    6 Wet Asian 2.32
    7 Northeast African 2.29
    8 Red Sea 1.67
    9 American 1.42
    10 East Asian 0.66
    11 Oceanian 0.66

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    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Spanish Extremadura 5.96
    2 Spanish Andalucia 6.32
    3 Spanish Castilla La Mancha 6.62
    4 Portuguese 6.7
    5 Spanish Murcia 6.71
    6 Spanish Galicia 6.74
    7 Spanish Castilla Y Leon 6.81
    8 Spanish Cantabria 6.92
    9 Spanish Valencia 7.08
    10 Spanish Cataluna 7.6
    11 Spanish Aragon 8.42
    12 Southwest French 9.07
    13 North Italian 12.09
    14 French 13.75
    15 Tuscan 17.48
    16 French Basque 17.72
    17 South Dutch 19.23
    18 West German 19.41
    19 Southeast English 23.09
    20 Southwest English 23.17

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.1% Castilla La Mancha 5.9% Biaka Pygmy 2.72
    2 94.4% Castilla La Mancha 5.6% Bantu SE 2.72
    3 94.5% Castilla La Mancha 5.5% Bantu SW 2.73
    4 93.9% Castilla La Mancha 6.1% Luhya 2.79
    5 93.8% Castilla La Mancha 6.2% Bantu NE 2.8
    6 94.6% Castilla La Mancha 5.4% Mandenka 2.83
    7 95% Castilla La Mancha 5% Yoruban 2.9
    8 93.8% Castilla La Mancha 6.2% Mbuti Pygmy 3
    9 93.7% Spanish Cantabria 6.3% Bantu NE 3.2
    10 94.7% Spanish Andalucia 5.3% Biaka Pygmy 3.23
    11 94.9% Spanish Andalucia 5.1% Bantu SE 3.24
    12 93.8% Spanish Cantabria 6.2% Luhya 3.24
    13 95% Spanish Andalucia 5% Bantu SW 3.24
    14 93.6% Spanish Cantabria 6.4% Mbuty Pygmy 3.25
    15 94.5% Spanish Andalucia 5.5% Luhya 3.28
    16 94.4% Spanish Andalucia 5.6% Bantu NE 3.29
    17 94.1% Spanish Cantabria 5.9% Biaka Pygmy 3.3
    18 95.2% Spanish Andalucia 4.8% Mandenka 3.31
    19 93.7% Spanish Castilla La Mancha 6.3% San 3.34
    20 95.4% Spanish Andalucia 4.6% Yoruban 3.36

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    Admix Results (sorted)

    # Population Percent
    1 Neolitic 34.08
    2 Caucasian 17.31
    3 NorthEastEuropean 16.65
    4 Steppe 16.27
    5 Subsaharian 5.59
    6 NorthAfrican 4.69
    7 NearEast 2.72
    8 Amerindian 1.19
    9 EastAfrican 0.65
    10 Oceanic 0.47
    11 Australian 0.36

    Single Population Sharing

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Portuguese (Portugal) 5.91
    2 Spanish (Extremadura) 6.09
    3 Spanish (Spain) 6.36
    4 Spanish (Galicia) 6.62
    5 Spanish (Murcia) 6.89
    6 Spanish (Baleares) 7.1
    7 Spanish (Andalucia) 7.8
    8 Spanish (Cataluna) 7.92
    9 Provencal (Provence) 8.04
    10 Spanish (Castilla Y Leon) 8.31
    11 Spanish (Valencia) 8.57
    12 Swiss (Switzerland) 9.75
    13 Spanish (Castilla La Mancha) 9.76
    14 Spanish (Canarias) 10.09
    15 French (NorthwestFrance) 10.39
    16 French (EastFrance) 10.46
    17 French (France) 10.47
    18 Corsican (Corsica) 10.77
    19 Spanish (Aragon) 10.8
    20 Italian (Friul) 10.98

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94.7% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.3% Esan (Nigeria) 1.99
    2 94.7% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.3% Yoruba (Nigeria) 2
    3 94.5% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.5% Gambiam (Gambia) 2.02
    4 94.5% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.5% Mandenka (Gambia) 2.03
    5 94.5% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.5% Mende (Sierra Leone) 2.04
    6 94.2% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.8% Bantu (SA Herero) 2.23
    7 93.7% Spanish (Extremadura) 6.3% Luhya (Kenya) 2.35
    8 93.6% Spanish (Extremadura) 6.4% Luo (Kenia) 2.4
    9 92.4% Spanish (Extremadura) 7.6% Siddi (Makran) 2.51
    10 94.4% Spanish (Spain) 5.6% Mandenka (Gambia) 2.61
    11 94.5% Spanish (Spain) 5.5% Gambian (Gambia) 2.62
    12 94.7% Spanish (Spain) 5.3% Yoruba (Nigeria) 2.72
    13 94.7% Spanish (Spain) 5.3% Esan (Nigeria) 2.74
    14 93.2% Spanish (Spain) 6.8% Afroamerican (Denver) 2.75
    15 94.6% Spanish (Spain) 5.4% Mende (Sierra Leone) 2.76
    16 94.2% Spanish (Spain) 5.8% Bantu (SA Herero) 2.9
    17 93.6% Spanish (Spain) 6.4% Luhya (Kenya) 2.93
    18 93.6% Spanish (Spain) 6.4% Luo (Kenia) 2.97
    19 92.5% Spanish (Spain) 7.5% Siddi (Makran) 3.16
    20 92.8% Spanish (Extremadura) 7.2% Maasai (Ayodo) 3.69

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    Erratum: Castilla La Mancha = Spanish Castilla La Mancha

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    Very interesting results. You seem to have a bit more European ancestry than the average Brazilian whites, who have ~80% to ~90% European ancestry, but apart from that you seem to have the "classical" Brazilian mix, which varies in proportion across the "races": European + African + Amerindian. It's interesting, though, that you have much more African than Native American ancestry, whereas many other Brazilian whites I have seen carry about as much Native American ancestry as African one.

    By the way, some of the results give you closer sharing with Spanish people from Extremadura and Andalucia, but MDLP K16 Mosern Oracle Results give you closer relationship to the Portuguese. I wonder if that's just the result of other calculators lacking better coverage of Portuguese people's DNA in their database. Or do you actually have a more recent Spanish ancestry? Many people, even Brazilians themselves, are aware of the large Italian and Portuguese immigration to Brazil, and even about the Syrian-Lebanese, German and Japanese diasporas, but they do not know that Spanish immigrants were the 3rd largest diaspora in Brazil during the height of the European immigration to the country around 1860-1940. There are probably more than 15 million (partial) descendants of Spanish immigrants in Brazil.

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    Hello Ygorcs

    Thanks for the reply. You're kind.

    My paternal ancestors were ancient Portuguese who arrived in the region of Ouro Preto, State of Minas Gerais, Brazil, around 1750. My maternal ancestors are a mixture of Portuguese and Spanish that arrived in the same region in the early 20th century (1908).

    My mother has 75% of Portuguese ancestry (family originating from Aveiro) and 25% of Spanish ancestry (family originating from Andalucia).

    My autosomal results in MyHeritage DNA are the follows: Iberian - 64.3%, North and Western European - 16.8%, Italian - 9.6%, North African - 5%, Nigerian - 4.3%.

    The same results in Family Tree DNA - FTDNA are the follows: Iberia - 67%, West and Central Europe - 20%, Middle Eastern (North Africa) - 5%, African (West Africa) - 3%, Trace Results - 5% (< 2% Southeast Europe, <2% Sephardic, <2% South Central Africa).

    The autosomal tests performed on DNA.LAND and GenePlaza maintain, basically, the same proportions of European and African ancestry (including in African Ancestry the North Africa) of MyHeritage and FTDNA companies. The divergences are even greater at the level of detail of European and African populations from which the general sum by continent is reached. In terms of Europe, the numbers say that I am more an Iberian-Spanish than an Iberian-Portuguese and, in Subsaharan Africa, the Yoruba and Esan populations always predominate. Amerindian percentages are always small.

    Fraternal Greetings,
    Duarte
    Last edited by Duarte; 11-01-19 at 08:25. Reason: grammatical error; important additional information

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    EUROGENES EUtest V2 K15 Oracle Results

    Admix Results (sorted)

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 26.75
    2 West Med 24.65
    3 North Sea 20.6
    4 East Med 7.8
    5 Sub Saharan 4.69
    6 Baltic 4.02
    7 Eastern Europe 2.87
    8 Northeast African 2.7
    9 West Asian 2.02
    10 Red Sea 1.7
    11 Amerindian 1.16
    12 Southeast Asian 0.54
    13 Oceanian 0.5

    Single Population Sharing

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Portuguese 6.45
    2 Spanish Extremadura 7.06
    3 Spanish Galicia 7.23
    4 Spanish Castilla Y Leon 7.49
    5 Spanish Cantabria 7.5
    6 Spanish Murcia 7.67
    7 Spanish Cataluna 7.96
    8 Spanish Castilla La Mancha 8.74
    9 Spanish Andalucia 8.89
    10 Spanish Valencia 9.19
    11 Spanish Aragon 9.86
    12 Southwest French 10.23
    13 North Italian 11.78
    14 French 13.43
    15 Tuscan 17.3
    16 South Dutch 17.89
    17 French Basque 18.03
    18 West German 19.87
    19 Southwest English 20.5
    20 Serbian 21.33

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    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94% Spanish Cantabria 6% Mbuti Pygmy 4.61
    2 94.1% Spanish Cantabria 5.9% Bantu NE 4.64
    3 94.2% Spanish Cantabria 5.8% Luhya 4.65
    4 93.6% Spanish Cantabria 6.4% San 4.66
    5 94.5% Spanish Cantabria 5.5% Biaka Pygmy 4.73
    6 96.4% Portuguese 3.6% Yoruban 4.78
    7 96.1% Portuguese 3.9% Bantu SW 4.78
    8 96% Portuguese 4% Bantu SE 4.78
    9 96.2% Portuguese 3.8% Mandenka 4.79
    10 95.9% Portuguese 4.1% Biaka Pygmy 4.81
    11 94.8% Spanish Cantabria 5.2% Bantu SE 4.82
    12 94,9% Spanish Cantabria 5,1% Bantu SW 4.85
    13 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% Luhya 4.86
    14 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% Bantu NE 4.87
    15 93.6% Spanish Cantabria 6.4% Sudanese 4.91
    16 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% Mbuti Pygmy 4.93
    17 95.1% Spanish Cantabria 4.9% Mandenka 4.95
    18 95.4% Spanish Cantabria 4.6% Yoruban 5.04
    19 93.8% Spanish Cantabria 6.2% Ethiopian Anuak 5.09
    20 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% San 5.14

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    So still closest to Portuguese and Spaniards.

    White Brazilians might have some Amerindians and African, they are still close to their main ancestors like most Americans are to British people.

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    Hello Govan.
    Thanks by reply. I agree with you. Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post

    My paternal ancestors were ancient Portuguese who arrived in the region of Ouro Preto, State of Minas Gerais, Brazil, around 1750. My maternal ancestors are a mixture of Portuguese and Spanish that arrived in the same region in the early 20th century (1908).

    My mother has 75% of Portuguese ancestry (family originating from Aveiro) and 25% of Spanish ancestry (family originating from Andalucia).
    Duarte, do you know the specific areas (freguesias/concelhos)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Govan View Post
    So still closest to Portuguese and Spaniards.

    White Brazilians might have some Amerindians and African, they are still close to their main ancestors like most Americans are to British people.
    African ancestry and considered white? only in Brazil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuno77 View Post
    Duarte, do you know the specific areas (freguesias/concelhos)?
    Minho and Aveiro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    African ancestry and considered white? only in Brazil!
    Yes, probably only in Brazil.
    In Brazil, what matters is the phenotype and not the biotype,
    Only the labs see the biotype. What the eyes see is the phenotype. The odious racial discrimination that occurs around the world takes into account what the eyes see and not what is engraved in their genes.
    Below I post a link with my photos showing my appearance (phenotype) and challenge you to do the same by posting yours pics. Let's see who looks whiter in the eyes of society and who would be the most likely victim of discrimination in a white society.

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...3c?usp=sharing

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    So far as I know, only in the U.S. was the "one drop" rule applied. Of course, they had to prove it, which is why people were forced to leave their areas, families etc.

    Horrible, all of it, but Brazil's way of dealing with it was more sensible. It worked the same way in Cuba and South Africa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Minho and Aveiro.
    Minho é uma província histórica.
    Aveiro é um districto.

    Concelho = município.

    Freguesia é a menor divisão administrativa em Portugal e no antigo Império Português, semelhante à paróquia civil dos outros países.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuno77 View Post
    Minho é uma província histórica.
    Aveiro é um districto.

    Concelho = município.

    Freguesia é a menor divisão administrativa em Portugal e no antigo Império Português, semelhante à paróquia civil dos outros países.
    Hello Nuno.
    The political division in Portugal is very different from the one adopted in Brazil, so I get confused a lot. In Brazil we have the States, within the States we have the Municipalities and we still have a State / Municipality that is the Federal District, which is the federal capital, Brasília. There are still metropolitan regions, which are not political divisions but economic divisions. For example, my hometown of Belo Horizonte has 2.3 million inhabitants, but it is the center of a metropolitan region that has 6 million inhabitants, the third largest in Brazil, behind only the metropolitan regions of São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro . Metropolitan regions have special status to address common issues related to transportation, sanitation, security, housing, environment, etc.
    I do not know if I can answer satisfactory your question by the link attached below, with Family Tree DNA results informing the supposedly accurate origin's of of my oldest maternal ancestors and my oldest paternal ancestors. By the geographical coordinates, the first (maternal) would have come from the City of Aveiro, District of Aveiro, and the second (paternal) would have come from the City of Santarém, Ribatejo, and the City of Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, Azores.
    Big hug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    So far as I know, only in the U.S. was the "one drop" rule applied. Of course, they had to prove it, which is why people were forced to leave their areas, families etc.

    Horrible, all of it, but Brazil's way of dealing with it was more sensible. It worked the same way in Cuba and South Africa.
    Thanks for the additional explanations, Angela.
    Greetings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    So far as I know, only in the U.S. was the "one drop" rule applied. Of course, they had to prove it, which is why people were forced to leave their areas, families etc.

    Horrible, all of it, but Brazil's way of dealing with it was more sensible. It worked the same way in Cuba and South Africa.
    There was no dna testing in the past and many multi generational mulattoes passed as white in the US, based on the one drop rule at least 1/2 of all white Americans would be non white because it's highly unlikely someone don't have a single non Caucasian ancestor going back 400 years. The average Southern colonial have 1-2% SSA and even higher Amerindian often exceeding 3%. The reason why White North Americans are pred 95-100% European is because they received a continuous wave of migration that always refreshed the old population. Most white Americans in the Midwest, Coastal areas are of recent European origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Hello Nuno.
    By the geographical coordinates, the first (maternal) would have come from the City of Aveiro, District of Aveiro, and the second (paternal) would have come from the City of Santarém, Ribatejo, and the City of Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, Azores.
    Olá Duarte,

    so it seems you don't have anyone from the Minho region (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minho_(prov%C3%ADncia). Nowadays it corresponds to the districts of Braga and Viana do Castelo.
    Braga and Guimarães are the biggest cities: you can find many people with these surnames.


    You mention the city of Aveiro, which is also the name of a District.
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aveiro...%C3%A7%C3%A3o)

    Btw, it's the family name of Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro. Someone took a boat from Aveiro to Madeira ;)
    The district of Aveiro is very famous for its maritime skills.


    You mention the city of Santarém, which is also the name of a District.
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santar%C3%A9m


    I was just curious if you knew the name of some small municipalities, but it seems your ancestors came from big cities.

    Abraço

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgewalley View Post
    There was no dna testing in the past and many multi generational mulattoes passed as white in the US, based on the one drop rule at least 1/2 of all white Americans would be non white because it's highly unlikely someone don't have a single non Caucasian ancestor going back 400 years. The average Southern colonial have 1-2% SSA and even higher Amerindian often exceeding 3%. The reason why White North Americans are pred 95-100% European is because they received a continuous wave of migration that always refreshed the old population. Most white Americans in the Midwest, Coastal areas are of recent European origin.
    Hi Georgewalley,
    Thank you for your interest and participation.
    Duarte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuno77 View Post
    Olá Duarte,

    so it seems you don't have anyone from the Minho region (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minho_(prov%C3%ADncia). Nowadays it corresponds to the districts of Braga and Viana do Castelo.
    Braga and Guimarães are the biggest cities: you can find many people with these surnames.


    You mention the city of Aveiro, which is also the name of a District.
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aveiro...%C3%A7%C3%A3o)

    Btw, it's the family name of Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro. Someone took a boat from Aveiro to Madeira ;)
    The district of Aveiro is very famous for its maritime skills.


    You mention the city of Santarém, which is also the name of a District.
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santar%C3%A9m


    I was just curious if you knew the name of some small municipalities, but it seems your ancestors came from big cities.

    Abraço
    Thanks for the explanations Nuno. I believe that in matters of Geography and geo-politics of Portugal I am not very good and would be disapproved in any school exam that I qualified to do. LMAO.
    Thank you, once again, for the kindness and attention.
    Grande abraço,
    Duarte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgewalley View Post
    There was no dna testing in the past and many multi generational mulattoes passed as white in the US, based on the one drop rule at least 1/2 of all white Americans would be non white because it's highly unlikely someone don't have a single non Caucasian ancestor going back 400 years. The average Southern colonial have 1-2% SSA and even higher Amerindian often exceeding 3%. The reason why White North Americans are pred 95-100% European is because they received a continuous wave of migration that always refreshed the old population. Most white Americans in the Midwest, Coastal areas are of recent European origin.
    That's incorrect. A massive study was done on the subject, and the number of "white" Americans with "secret" SSA is extremely small. The vast majority of people in the U.S. have absolutely no SSA. Where it shows up most, predictably enough, is in the southern slave states.

    The British were not like the Portuguese. The admixed children they produced were firmly relegated to the "black" world where they admixed with people with more SSA, not less.

    See:
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    "Using a less conservative threshold, approximately 3.5% of European Americans have 1% or more African ancestry

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    Figure S8). Individuals with African ancestry are found at much higher frequencies in states in the South than in other parts of the US: about 5% of self-reported European Americans living in South Carolina and Louisiana have at least 2% African ancestry. Lowering the threshold to at least 1% African ancestry (potentially arising from one African genealogical ancestor within the last 11 generations), European Americans with African ancestry comprise as much as 12% of European Americans from Louisiana and South Carolina and about 1 in 10 individuals in other parts of the South (Figure S8)."


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    Yea, you definitely look 100% white European. You could easily pass for more central/northern European than Spanish/Iberian. Then again, as an American, my idea of a Brazilian is someone like Adriana Lima or Neymar. I think we often forget how diverse people are in South America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    That's incorrect. A massive study was done on the subject, and the number of "white" Americans with "secret" SSA is extremely small. The vast majority of people in the U.S. have absolutely no SSA. Where it shows up most, predictably enough, is in the southern slave states.

    The British were not like the Portuguese. The admixed children they produced were firmly relegated to the "black" world where they admixed with people with more SSA, not less.

    See:
    "The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos and European Americans Across the U.S.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...02929714004765

    "Using a less conservative threshold, approximately 3.5% of European Americans have 1% or more African ancestry

    (
    Figure S8). Individuals with African ancestry are found at much higher frequencies in states in the South than in other parts of the US: about 5% of self-reported European Americans living in South Carolina and Louisiana have at least 2% African ancestry. Lowering the threshold to at least 1% African ancestry (potentially arising from one African genealogical ancestor within the last 11 generations), European Americans with African ancestry comprise as much as 12% of European Americans from Louisiana and South Carolina and about 1 in 10 individuals in other parts of the South (Figure S8)."

    My home state doesn't seem to have many

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    My home state doesn't seem to have many
    Mine either.

    It's basically a southern U.S. phenomenom, and it's a few percent in about 10% of the population. That works out to about 1/64 ancestors or so.

    Perhaps the closest other example is the Afrikaners, although in South Africa it's almost the whole population which has a few percent of mostly a mix of Malay, Indian and African.

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    I can see this happening in Louisiana with all the cajuns, creoles and very mixed population being the norm there compared to other Southern states. New Orleans was a definite melting pot and attracted people from the West Indies, Spain, France etc. due to its location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    Yea, you definitely look 100% white European. You could easily pass for more central/northern European than Spanish/Iberian. Then again, as an American, my idea of a Brazilian is someone like Adriana Lima or Neymar. I think we often forget how diverse people are in South America.
    Hello, Marty.
    Brazil is a very diverse and respect for diversity is one of the first things we learn because the diversity is in school, on the streets and everywhere. There is no place for racial prejudice in Brazil and this is a crime by here. It matters our culture, not our ethnicity. Gisele Bündchen, Adriana Lima, Neymar are just a few examples of our diversity.
    Big hug.

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